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Post by cgallstar02 on Apr 12, 2021 0:19:55 GMT -5
His main focus should be (and should always have been) getting enough credits to obtain a college degree. That way, he could go back home and someday become assistant finance manager at Gates City Chevrolet. He is a (very) poor man's Jimmer Fredette at best, and this longtime focus on the NBA and resulting twists and turns in his collegiate allegiances demonstrate that he and his enablers never understood the principle of the deflated basketball. Hope for his sake that there aren't too many TT tats to laser off. You're aware there's other places to make money playing basketball besides the NBA right? Top players in China can make 1-4 million a year... with Mac's dunking ability, play style, and skin color, he would be an instant star over there. Beyond that, the NBA thing is far from a pipe dream... Mac was an All Big 12 1st teamer and 2nd teamer (AP & Coaches) this season. Looking at the 1st and 2nd teams from 2020 I see Dotson (Bulls) Butler (Probable late 1st round pick) Bane (Grizzlies) Doolittle (G League) Azubuike (Jazz) Teague (2nd rounder?) Garrett (2nd rounder?) Ramsey (Kings) Tshibewe (Possible future 1st rounder) Gillespie (Raptors) So out of the 6 that declared last season, 5 are already on NBA rosters... 1 is in the G League... of the 4 that returned, 1 (Butler) will certainly be on an NBA roster next season, 2 will either be 2nd rounders or UDFA's and will have to earn it in the G League, and one is transferring to Kentucky but will likely be a future NBA player. Mac's path will obviously be similar to Teague and Garrett, that said, he's much closer than he was last season and is far from having little to no chance at the league. He was an elite player in an elite conference, which clearly means something. As for the Jimmer comparison, I mean they're both white and are a similar size, but the similarities stop there. Jimmer was an elite shooter with average athleticism, Mac is an average shooter with elite athleticism. If Mac were black but played exactly the same, you wouldn't compare him to Jimmer... why? Cus they play nothing alike. I don't understand why people, even NBA analysts on draft day, feel like they can only compare white players to other white players. As far as his decision to enter the draft as well as the portal, it's easily the best business decision he could've made. It leaves literally every option on the table for him. If he gets an NBA promise of a 2 way contract or better, or decides he's content to work his way up through the G League, he can stay in the draft. If he decides to come back he can find a smilier situation that he had last season (being the go to scorer for a top 25 team) or if Tech fills out their roster with some quality transfers/recruits, he can return there and resume his role. He's taking advantage of a system that takes advantage of these kids every year... nothing wrong with that. I'll never understand why people get so upset at other people for doing what's best for them instead of what's best for a school that doesn't pay them and a bunch of fans that bash em even when they're on the team let alone once they leave. Do you really think if Ewing was a great coach and highly sought after and the NBA or some other major college team came calling with a bag of money that Georgetown couldn't or wouldn't match, that Ewing would turn them down? He's the coach of Georgetown cus no one else is going to pay him what he gets until he proves himself to be worth that kind of money or more. If and when that day comes you will see that even the great Patrick Ewing's loyalty can easily be bought for the right price. So stop with the foolishness like Mac, Wahab, etc. should have some sort of undying loyalty to Ewing and Georgetown. |
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 12, 2021 4:35:52 GMT -5
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Post by cindad on Apr 12, 2021 6:07:26 GMT -5
His main focus should be (and should always have been) getting enough credits to obtain a college degree. That way, he could go back home and someday become assistant finance manager at Gates City Chevrolet. He is a (very) poor man's Jimmer Fredette at best, and this longtime focus on the NBA and resulting twists and turns in his collegiate allegiances demonstrate that he and his enablers never understood the principle of the deflated basketball. Hope for his sake that there aren't too many TT tats to laser off. You're aware there's other places to make money playing basketball besides the NBA right? Top players in China can make 1-4 million a year... with Mac's dunking ability, play style, and skin color, he would be an instant star over there. Beyond that, the NBA thing is far from a pipe dream... Mac was an All Big 12 1st teamer and 2nd teamer (AP & Coaches) this season. Looking at the 1st and 2nd teams from 2020 I see Dotson (Bulls) Butler (Probable late 1st round pick) Bane (Grizzlies) Doolittle (G League) Azubuike (Jazz) Teague (2nd rounder?) Garrett (2nd rounder?) Ramsey (Kings) Tshibewe (Possible future 1st rounder) Gillespie (Raptors) So out of the 6 that declared last season, 5 are already on NBA rosters... 1 is in the G League... of the 4 that returned, 1 (Butler) will certainly be on an NBA roster next season, 2 will either be 2nd rounders or UDFA's and will have to earn it in the G League, and one is transferring to Kentucky but will likely be a future NBA player. Mac's path will obviously be similar to Teague and Garrett, that said, he's much closer than he was last season and is far from having little to no chance at the league. He was an elite player in an elite conference, which clearly means something. As for the Jimmer comparison, I mean they're both white and are a similar size, but the similarities stop there. Jimmer was an elite shooter with average athleticism, Mac is an average shooter with elite athleticism. If Mac were black but played exactly the same, you wouldn't compare him to Jimmer... why? Cus they play nothing alike. I don't understand why people, even NBA analysts on draft day, feel like they can only compare white players to other white players. As far as his decision to enter the draft as well as the portal, it's easily the best business decision he could've made. It leaves literally every option on the table for him. If he gets an NBA promise of a 2 way contract or better, or decides he's content to work his way up through the G League, he can stay in the draft. If he decides to come back he can find a smilier situation that he had last season (being the go to scorer for a top 25 team) or if Tech fills out their roster with some quality transfers/recruits, he can return there and resume his role. He's taking advantage of a system that takes advantage of these kids every year... nothing wrong with that. I'll never understand why people get so upset at other people for doing what's best for them instead of what's best for a school that doesn't pay them and a bunch of fans that bash em even when they're on the team let alone once they leave. Do you really think if Ewing was a great coach and highly sought after and the NBA or some other major college team came calling with a bag of money that Georgetown couldn't or wouldn't match, that Ewing would turn them down? He's the coach of Georgetown cus no one else is going to pay him what he gets until he proves himself to be worth that kind of money or more. If and when that day comes you will see that even the great Patrick Ewing's loyalty can easily be bought for the right price. So stop with the foolishness like Mac, Wahab, etc. should have some sort of undying loyalty to Ewing and Georgetown. I'm not a McClung Fan. But seriously I think he is taking bad advice. He went from being a guy who could be a 4 year starter at a school and leave as a All-Time Leading scorer, to will be a "remember him" guy at 2 schools, possibly 3 schools. I get he can have NBA aspirations, many D-1 players do. I been saying since McClung stepped into college I compared him to Xavier Pinson, Javonte Smart guys who I don't see as NBA players who would get lots of playing time in college over 3-4 years. If you can look at those guys and say 'NBA' then McClung could be in the conversation. At issue and what always been at issue is McClung is an undersized scorer, who isn't even consistent at doing that. Then if he isn't scoring he doesn't do anything else to help your team. He doesn't defend well, or play make for his teammates. Thats a major issue at his size. Then he has short arms too. So I get the idea it 'only takes one' team to make your dream come true. He was given an evaluation by NBA scouts that everyone who watches basketball could have told him and have said as much. I get it he is a scorer. He wants to make the NBA as a scorer. He just has to understand that is the HARDEST way to make the NBA. If he showed he could score at the clip he does while being a backup PG for 10-15 minutes a game, he would be a lock 2nd round are late 1st. Not having any PG skills or knack for PG play really hurts his NBA prospects. Heck, if he was 2 inches taller he would be a 1st round pick, because he would automatically be a rebounding asset, and could be a 'big guard'. He has a skillset mismatch, and it appears from the 10 or so TT games I saw this year he hasn't done a ton to address it. And its not like he hasn't gotten to showcase his talent in 3 years of college basketball. No one likes transfers, but people are pragmatic in people want better situations. With McClung its kinda weird he has left 2 situations now where playing time, and access to the ball were not issues. Thats 'weird' to many people. So it becomes 'what does this guy want'. But you can always say, The Hoyas were a bad fit, and his coach left TT. Both valid reasons most people would say or legit reasons to transfer. He has had unlimited playing time and access to the ball for 3 years. So you have the issue of, there is no mystery to his playing style, or decision making. He has a TON of tape out there. This isn't 6'9" Jalen Johnson with 10 games of tape, who did just enough to convince a NBA GM to burn a mid-1st on a guy. There is no mystery, which means he is a known commodity. At this point his skillset isn't valued. Now hey if McClung gets into the camp circuits for the draft and scores at a nice clip, and displays some ballhandling skills, his dream will come true. Thats the great thing about sports. You get to earn your spot each time you go up on the court. |
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Post by TC on Apr 12, 2021 8:10:07 GMT -5
But seriously I think he is taking bad advice. He went from being a guy who could be a 4 year starter at a school and leave as a All-Time Leading scorer, to will be a "remember him" guy at 2 schools, possibly 3 schools. I get he can have NBA aspirations, many D-1 players do. I been saying since McClung stepped into college I compared him to Xavier Pinson, Javonte Smart guys who I don't see as NBA players who would get lots of playing time in college over 3-4 years. Can you explain what the benefits are to a player of having a school record or starting at one place over four years vs starting at different places over four years? Those things seem like things that a fan might care about, that would raise a player's status in a fan's eyes, but doesn't matter a bit in a professional basketball or career sense or have any benefit whatsoever to the player themselves. It just seems when people go to "Mac McClung is getting bad advice", he may not be getting bad advice at all. You should leave if your coach totally screws up your draft status and tries to force you to play meaningless games when you are hurt and subject yourself to injury. You should consider leaving if your coach leaves and other talented players leave and you have one year left and want to be on a contending team. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 11:25:28 GMT -5
The transfer worked out well. He got more airtime than he would have gotten at Georgetown. Why does that matter if your goal is to play in the NBA and why do u think Ewing forced him to play hurt? That’s a pretty provocative statement that you should be sure about before you just throw it out there casually imo. How did he force Mac to play while Yurt sat on the bench with an “ankle sprain” for over a month? |
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Post by TC on Apr 12, 2021 11:40:32 GMT -5
The transfer worked out well. He got more airtime than he would have gotten at Georgetown. Why does that matter if your goal is to play in the NBA and why do u think Ewing forced him to play hurt? Seriously?? Because he went into the press and compared his hurt players to Wally Pipp. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 11:58:28 GMT -5
Why does that matter if your goal is to play in the NBA and why do u think Ewing forced him to play hurt? Seriously?? Because he went into the press and compared his hurt players to Wally Pipp. Yeah, that’s absurd lol. Somehow Yurt managed to weather the storm... Just so we’re clear the comment referenced was made towards the players replacing Mac and Yurt as in- this is your opportunity. It wasn’t a threat to the kids who were sitting. C’mon dude... |
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Post by hoopsmccan on Apr 12, 2021 12:09:20 GMT -5
Because he went into the press and compared his hurt players to Wally Pipp. Yeah, that’s absurd lol. Somehow Yurt managed to weather the storm... If there is an asinine position that is anti-Ewing, or even anti-Georgetown at this point, TC will be there for it. Seriously man, I too am sorry JTIII didn’t work out but at some point you need to get over it. hm |
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Post by TC on Apr 12, 2021 12:22:16 GMT -5
Because he went into the press and compared his hurt players to Wally Pipp. Yeah, that’s absurd lol. Somehow Yurt managed to weather the storm... Just so we’re clear the comment referenced was made towards the players replacing Mac and Yurt as in- this is your opportunity. It wasn’t a threat to the kids who were sitting. C’mon dude... Playing time is a zero sum game, and a Wally Pipp reference is definitely a threat to whoever is nursing an injury because it says they won't get their job back when healthy. The whole point of a Wally Pipp reference is saying that if you sit out one day, you can be replaced forever, so you shouldn't sit out one day and you should play hurt. It's a terrible thing to reference when for years, the connotation here was that Pipp sat out for something minor like a headache and the point of the story was to gut it out, and people researching it found that Pipp was probably suffering from a concussion. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 12:50:30 GMT -5
Yeah, that’s absurd lol. Somehow Yurt managed to weather the storm... Just so we’re clear the comment referenced was made towards the players replacing Mac and Yurt as in- this is your opportunity. It wasn’t a threat to the kids who were sitting. C’mon dude... Playing time is a zero sum game, and a Wally Pipp reference is definitely a threat to whoever is nursing an injury because it says they won't get their job back when healthy. The whole point of a Wally Pipp reference is saying that if you sit out one day, you can be replaced forever, so you shouldn't sit out one day and you should play hurt. It's a terrible thing to reference when for years, the connotation here was that Pipp sat out for something minor like a headache and the point of the story was to gut it out, and people researching it found that Pipp was probably suffering from a concussion. Who on that roster do you think Mac was afraid of being replaced by? One thing about Mac is he has supreme confidence in himself. On top of that there was literally no one behind him. We had 9 scholarship players and 4 were centers. |
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Post by cindad on Apr 12, 2021 13:19:31 GMT -5
But seriously I think he is taking bad advice. He went from being a guy who could be a 4 year starter at a school and leave as a All-Time Leading scorer, to will be a "remember him" guy at 2 schools, possibly 3 schools. I get he can have NBA aspirations, many D-1 players do. I been saying since McClung stepped into college I compared him to Xavier Pinson, Javonte Smart guys who I don't see as NBA players who would get lots of playing time in college over 3-4 years. Can you explain what the benefits are to a player of having a school record or starting at one place over four years vs starting at different places over four years? Those things seem like things that a fan might care about, that would raise a player's status in a fan's eyes, but doesn't matter a bit in a professional basketball or career sense or have any benefit whatsoever to the player themselves. It just seems when people go to "Mac McClung is getting bad advice", he may not be getting bad advice at all. You should leave if your coach totally screws up your draft status and tries to force you to play meaningless games when you are hurt and subject yourself to injury. You should consider leaving if your coach leaves and other talented players leave and you have one year left and want to be on a contending team. Because what he needs to display a skill-set, that he has not displayed. Thats his challenge. Steph Curry came back to Davidson because there were doubts if he could play PG. Davidson wasn't as good the next year, and he didn't light it up like his sophomore year. But he showed NBA Teams he could play PG. Which until he became the dead-eye sharpshooter he did in 2014 it kept him on the floor though other parts of his game were lacking. If McClung is convinced he can make it as a scorer, he will be judged as a scorer. He is NOT a NBA level scorer. Very difficult to make it as a scorer in the NBA esp at his size. So now, he either makes his way through the draft process convince someone he can remotely distribute the basketball or find a situation where he can develop that skill. I imagine what McClung handlers are telling him, if he scorers 20 PPG on a Elite Eight Team or Final Four Team his ticket will be stamped to the NBA. Which you know what thats true. I'm just not convinced a team of that caliber and quality can be that good with him scoring like that because of how he plays. He sucks up a ton of possessions for a team. If he was shooting 40%+ from 3, and 85% from the line, Mid-40s from the field ala Jovante Smart at LSU you would have something. But guess what Smart isn't even on anyone's Top-60 Board, and he shoots it better than McClung, passes better, rebounds better for a guard, taller, and has longer arms. Not to mention can actually play on and or off the ball, and can at least attempt to stay in front of people on defense. Based on the TT games I saw he was much better guard wise than at GU. But it shows you how raw he is. A Junior who has played a ton a minutes was just starting to figure out how to find open players when dribbling the basketball or driving to the basket. So the 'bad advice' he is getting, is he is trying to 'market' himself into the league. Being a good scorer on a successful team. Which look so many guys get drafted every year under the premise, so I can't say its a terrible idea. I'm saying his better chance to getting to his goal was to develop his game. It doesn't matter what your 'role' is on the team, being guard and finding open people for layups is guard-play 101, that most guards understand in HS. Its obvious what he needs to do to make the NBA, people on this board said so before NBA gave him his feedback. If Ewing mismanaged his injury, I can understand reasoning to move on. Wanting to move on from a team you went to get tutored by a specific coach I get that too. But to me he is clearly signaling he believes he is a scorer, and he wants to make it to the next level as one. To put it in perspective he could have stayed at Georgetown and had unlimited shots and choices with the ball. He could holdover in TT and have the same situation. Now, he is going to go to his 3rd school, score a bunch of points early in the year but disappear the last 6-8 weeks of the season. For as good as TT was suppose to be they were 6th in Conference, and was bounced in the 2nd game of the Tourney and lost in the quarters of Conference Tourney Go watch Jovante Smart tape and watch McClung tape which player would you burn a late 2nd round pick on? |
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Post by TC on Apr 12, 2021 13:40:56 GMT -5
To put it in perspective he could have stayed at Georgetown and had unlimited shots and choices with the ball. He could holdover in TT and have the same situation. Now, he is going to go to his 3rd school, score a bunch of points early in the year but disappear the last 6-8 weeks of the season. For as good as TT was suppose to be they were 6th in Conference, and was bounced in the 2nd game of the Tourney and lost in the quarters of Conference Tourney Again - if you have the opportunity, and there's no restriction on playing for players who transfer, why is transferring a bad idea in either of those situations? |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Apr 12, 2021 15:36:02 GMT -5
I'm not a McClung Fan. But seriously I think he is taking bad advice. He went from being a guy who could be a 4 year starter at a school and leave as a All-Time Leading scorer, to will be a "remember him" guy at 2 schools, possibly 3 schools. I get he can have NBA aspirations, many D-1 players do. I been saying since McClung stepped into college I compared him to Xavier Pinson, Javonte Smart guys who I don't see as NBA players who would get lots of playing time in college over 3-4 years. If you can look at those guys and say 'NBA' then McClung could be in the conversation. At issue and what always been at issue is McClung is an undersized scorer, who isn't even consistent at doing that. Then if he isn't scoring he doesn't do anything else to help your team. He doesn't defend well, or play make for his teammates. Thats a major issue at his size. Then he has short arms too. So I get the idea it 'only takes one' team to make your dream come true. He was given an evaluation by NBA scouts that everyone who watches basketball could have told him and have said as much. I get it he is a scorer. He wants to make the NBA as a scorer. He just has to understand that is the HARDEST way to make the NBA. If he showed he could score at the clip he does while being a backup PG for 10-15 minutes a game, he would be a lock 2nd round are late 1st. Not having any PG skills or knack for PG play really hurts his NBA prospects. Heck, if he was 2 inches taller he would be a 1st round pick, because he would automatically be a rebounding asset, and could be a 'big guard'. He has a skillset mismatch, and it appears from the 10 or so TT games I saw this year he hasn't done a ton to address it. And its not like he hasn't gotten to showcase his talent in 3 years of college basketball. No one likes transfers, but people are pragmatic in people want better situations. With McClung its kinda weird he has left 2 situations now where playing time, and access to the ball were not issues. Thats 'weird' to many people. So it becomes 'what does this guy want'. But you can always say, The Hoyas were a bad fit, and his coach left TT. Both valid reasons most people would say or legit reasons to transfer.He has had unlimited playing time and access to the ball for 3 years. So you have the issue of, there is no mystery to his playing style, or decision making. He has a TON of tape out there. This isn't 6'9" Jalen Johnson with 10 games of tape, who did just enough to convince a NBA GM to burn a mid-1st on a guy. There is no mystery, which means he is a known commodity. At this point his skillset isn't valued. Now hey if McClung gets into the camp circuits for the draft and scores at a nice clip, and displays some ballhandling skills, his dream will come true. Thats the great thing about sports. You get to earn your spot each time you go up on the court. Who do you think he's getting advice from? These decisions are coming from him along with input from his mom/dad... a teacher and a judge. This is not some guy with a family of broke vultures trying to convince him to go to the NBA, thinking he'll make millions that they can then leach off of him. He's trying to achieve a goal and a dream, the monetary thing is secondary. There's no harm in entering the draft, and even if he stays in it and doesn't return, so what? What does he get from another year? Best case scenario is to end up like Mitchell/Butler who worked their way up from 2nd round/UDFA to first round possible lottery for Mitchell. That said, there was maybe 5 guys that really helped themselves by coming back... those 2, Ayo, Kispert and maybe 1 or 2 I can't think of. Those were of course 3 of the 4 best teams in the country... unlikely Mac plays for a team that good next season. Also all those guys have certain advantages over Mac... Butler and Mitchell are better defenders, Ayo is bigger with more proven PG skills... Kispert has at least average size for his position and is an elite 3 point shooter. So barring a final four run on a dominant team throughout the season, there's little chance he improves his stock. On the flip side, he's a year older, could get hurt, could have an off year and take a step back in terms of scoring or even playing time, etc. There's a far greater chance of one of those things happening than there is of him having a monster senior year for a top 5 team that makes a deep tourney run. His best case scenario had he stuck around at Georgetown would be to have a Jessie Govan type career, basically being the best player on a bad team, yet the team isn't so bad that he can take 25 shots a game and score 30 every night. He wasn't going to average 25 a game and lead Georgetown to the Final 4. He wouldn't of been some Georgetown legend. No one cares about Jessie Govan since the moment he left. In fact, people couldn't wait for him to be gone as a senior to open up the door for Yurt who everyone was so excited about. 10 games into Yurt's career and people were ready to push him out the door to open up things for Wahab. Sticking around to play for a bad team with an unpredictable coach simply to have some sort of extremely minor college legacy would be simply bizarre. He left Georgetown for a multitude of reasons. The mishandling of his injury. The fact they were expected to be a Big East cellar dweller. Ewing's seemingly unmotivated substitution patterns combined with his new found affinity for Blair and the very realistic likelihood that he could've been coming off the bench as junior for a bad team. To play with better players, thus sharpening his own skills while getting the opportunity to prove himself amongst other potential future NBA players. As for Tech, it's clear he chose Tech for 2 reasons... Beard, and the opportunity to win. Beard left. 3 of their top 6 players not including Mac left after Beard did. Their lone recruit (Tyson a top 35 guy) followed Beard to Texas. With all those losses, it seems unlikely that team will be competitive next season, combined with the fact they no longer have the coach he came to play for, why would he stay? |
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Post by upstatesaxa on Apr 12, 2021 17:10:53 GMT -5
You give numerous rationales for being a quitter
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 12, 2021 17:27:34 GMT -5
I'm not a McClung Fan. But seriously I think he is taking bad advice. He went from being a guy who could be a 4 year starter at a school and leave as a All-Time Leading scorer, to will be a "remember him" guy at 2 schools, possibly 3 schools. I get he can have NBA aspirations, many D-1 players do. I been saying since McClung stepped into college I compared him to Xavier Pinson, Javonte Smart guys who I don't see as NBA players who would get lots of playing time in college over 3-4 years. If you can look at those guys and say 'NBA' then McClung could be in the conversation. At issue and what always been at issue is McClung is an undersized scorer, who isn't even consistent at doing that. Then if he isn't scoring he doesn't do anything else to help your team. He doesn't defend well, or play make for his teammates. Thats a major issue at his size. Then he has short arms too. So I get the idea it 'only takes one' team to make your dream come true. He was given an evaluation by NBA scouts that everyone who watches basketball could have told him and have said as much. I get it he is a scorer. He wants to make the NBA as a scorer. He just has to understand that is the HARDEST way to make the NBA. If he showed he could score at the clip he does while being a backup PG for 10-15 minutes a game, he would be a lock 2nd round are late 1st. Not having any PG skills or knack for PG play really hurts his NBA prospects. Heck, if he was 2 inches taller he would be a 1st round pick, because he would automatically be a rebounding asset, and could be a 'big guard'. He has a skillset mismatch, and it appears from the 10 or so TT games I saw this year he hasn't done a ton to address it. And its not like he hasn't gotten to showcase his talent in 3 years of college basketball. No one likes transfers, but people are pragmatic in people want better situations. With McClung its kinda weird he has left 2 situations now where playing time, and access to the ball were not issues. Thats 'weird' to many people. So it becomes 'what does this guy want'. But you can always say, The Hoyas were a bad fit, and his coach left TT. Both valid reasons most people would say or legit reasons to transfer.He has had unlimited playing time and access to the ball for 3 years. So you have the issue of, there is no mystery to his playing style, or decision making. He has a TON of tape out there. This isn't 6'9" Jalen Johnson with 10 games of tape, who did just enough to convince a NBA GM to burn a mid-1st on a guy. There is no mystery, which means he is a known commodity. At this point his skillset isn't valued. Now hey if McClung gets into the camp circuits for the draft and scores at a nice clip, and displays some ballhandling skills, his dream will come true. Thats the great thing about sports. You get to earn your spot each time you go up on the court. Who do you think he's getting advice from? These decisions are coming from him along with input from his mom/dad... a teacher and a judge. This is not some guy with a family of broke vultures trying to convince him to go to the NBA, thinking he'll make millions that they can then leach off of him. He's trying to achieve a goal and a dream, the monetary thing is secondary. There's no harm in entering the draft, and even if he stays in it and doesn't return, so what? What does he get from another year? Best case scenario is to end up like Mitchell/Butler who worked their way up from 2nd round/UDFA to first round possible lottery for Mitchell. That said, there was maybe 5 guys that really helped themselves by coming back... those 2, Ayo, Kispert and maybe 1 or 2 I can't think of. Those were of course 3 of the 4 best teams in the country... unlikely Mac plays for a team that good next season. Also all those guys have certain advantages over Mac... Butler and Mitchell are better defenders, Ayo is bigger with more proven PG skills... Kispert has at least average size for his position and is an elite 3 point shooter. So barring a final four run on a dominant team throughout the season, there's little chance he improves his stock. On the flip side, he's a year older, could get hurt, could have an off year and take a step back in terms of scoring or even playing time, etc. There's a far greater chance of one of those things happening than there is of him having a monster senior year for a top 5 team that makes a deep tourney run. His best case scenario had he stuck around at Georgetown would be to have a Jessie Govan type career, basically being the best player on a bad team, yet the team isn't so bad that he can take 25 shots a game and score 30 every night. He wasn't going to average 25 a game and lead Georgetown to the Final 4. He wouldn't of been some Georgetown legend. No one cares about Jessie Govan since the moment he left. In fact, people couldn't wait for him to be gone as a senior to open up the door for Yurt who everyone was so excited about. 10 games into Yurt's career and people were ready to push him out the door to open up things for Wahab. Sticking around to play for a bad team with an unpredictable coach simply to have some sort of extremely minor college legacy would be simply bizarre. He left Georgetown for a multitude of reasons. The mishandling of his injury. The fact they were expected to be a Big East cellar dweller. Ewing's seemingly unmotivated substitution patterns combined with his new found affinity for Blair and the very realistic likelihood that he could've been coming off the bench as junior for a bad team. To play with better players, thus sharpening his own skills while getting the opportunity to prove himself amongst other potential future NBA players. As for Tech, it's clear he chose Tech for 2 reasons... Beard, and the opportunity to win. Beard left. 3 of their top 6 players not including Mac left after Beard did. Their lone recruit (Tyson a top 35 guy) followed Beard to Texas. With all those losses, it seems unlikely that team will be competitive next season, combined with the fact they no longer have the coach he came to play for, why would he stay? I have no issue with him doing whatever he and his family think is best for him. He's got a dream. So, go out and do what you can to achieve it. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe it's a pipedream. But...it's not like he's getting ten minutes a game at a bad program. It's not a crazy dream. But it's a two way street. No one should expect fans of the program to do anything but support the guys who choose to be here. And it can't be a shock that many will rail against those that choose to go elsewhere. Rational, irrational, or otherwise. He will find a decent (at minimum) team in a major conference that promises him around 30 mpg. He will get his shots...because that's what he does. And none of it will matter a lick to the Georgetown Hoyas. |
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Post by TC on Apr 12, 2021 18:13:57 GMT -5
You give numerous rationales for being a quitter Amazing that we get a transfer commit today and people are hung up on this ridiculous line of thinking. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Apr 12, 2021 23:16:25 GMT -5
Because what he needs to display a skill-set, that he has not displayed. Thats his challenge. Steph Curry came back to Davidson because there were doubts if he could play PG. Davidson wasn't as good the next year, and he didn't light it up like his sophomore year. But he showed NBA Teams he could play PG. Which until he became the dead-eye sharpshooter he did in 2014 it kept him on the floor though other parts of his game were lacking. If McClung is convinced he can make it as a scorer, he will be judged as a scorer. He is NOT a NBA level scorer. Very difficult to make it as a scorer in the NBA esp at his size. So now, he either makes his way through the draft process convince someone he can remotely distribute the basketball or find a situation where he can develop that skill. I imagine what McClung handlers are telling him, if he scorers 20 PPG on a Elite Eight Team or Final Four Team his ticket will be stamped to the NBA. Which you know what thats true. I'm just not convinced a team of that caliber and quality can be that good with him scoring like that because of how he plays. He sucks up a ton of possessions for a team. If he was shooting 40%+ from 3, and 85% from the line, Mid-40s from the field ala Jovante Smart at LSU you would have something. But guess what Smart isn't even on anyone's Top-60 Board, and he shoots it better than McClung, passes better, rebounds better for a guard, taller, and has longer arms. Not to mention can actually play on and or off the ball, and can at least attempt to stay in front of people on defense. Based on the TT games I saw he was much better guard wise than at GU. But it shows you how raw he is. A Junior who has played a ton a minutes was just starting to figure out how to find open players when dribbling the basketball or driving to the basket. So the 'bad advice' he is getting, is he is trying to 'market' himself into the league. Being a good scorer on a successful team. Which look so many guys get drafted every year under the premise, so I can't say its a terrible idea. I'm saying his better chance to getting to his goal was to develop his game. It doesn't matter what your 'role' is on the team, being guard and finding open people for layups is guard-play 101, that most guards understand in HS. Its obvious what he needs to do to make the NBA, people on this board said so before NBA gave him his feedback. If Ewing mismanaged his injury, I can understand reasoning to move on. Wanting to move on from a team you went to get tutored by a specific coach I get that too. But to me he is clearly signaling he believes he is a scorer, and he wants to make it to the next level as one. To put it in perspective he could have stayed at Georgetown and had unlimited shots and choices with the ball. He could holdover in TT and have the same situation. Now, he is going to go to his 3rd school, score a bunch of points early in the year but disappear the last 6-8 weeks of the season. For as good as TT was suppose to be they were 6th in Conference, and was bounced in the 2nd game of the Tourney and lost in the quarters of Conference Tourney Go watch Jovante Smart tape and watch McClung tape which player would you burn a late 2nd round pick on? Isn't that what the G League is for? Why does he have to go back to school to work on his PG skills? If anything, I would think it better to do that there since they're already playing NBA style offense. I also think his game translates better to the NBA's more wide open, offense oriented style. The NBA is all about isolation, one on one play, which Mac excels at... on the flip side, defense is rarely played until the playoffs, unless it's a big time regular season game. The best college players rarely make the best NBA players, no one really knows who's game is gonna translate at the next level and who's won't. Look at Westbrook... he averaged 12/4/4 as a sophomore... probably never had a double digit assist or rebound game in his career, yet for whatever reason his game translated extremely well to the NBA and he's now the triple double king. Of course the NBA expected him to be a scorer, thus he was drafted so high, but the rebound/assist thing had to be a shock to everyone. Then you got a guy like Fred VanVleet... short, pudgy, not that quick, very little explosiveness... basically looked like a guy that would just play smart basketball, give you 10-15 mins with little turnovers, make his free throws and his open 3's. A role player at best.... but obviously he's turned into much more than that. Then there's all the guys that seem to have all the tools/size/athleticism you could want from a player and they wind up complete busts. As for playing PG, I think people overestimate what it takes to play that position in the modern NBA. Sure to play like Stockton, Magic, Thomas and those guys was one thing, but the NBA has changed a lot. Everyone can dribble, pass, shoot. Centers can bring the ball up the floor if needed. Last year, after Dragic got hurt, Tyler Herro became Miami's starting PG in the playoffs... Herro is a guy who probably played 0 minutes of PG at Kentucky as a freshman... he's a pure shooter with limited athleticism and an average at best handle for an NBA guard, yet there he was at 19 years old, having never played PG in college, not having much pure PG skills to speak of, starting at PG in the NBA finals. Speaking of Miami, I keep hearing a lot of lame McClung comparisons... I'll give you one... Kendrick Nunn. Nunn... SG... 6'2 190... Mac... SG... 6'2 185. Nunn career stats... 14.2, 3.6, 2.1... Mac career stats... 14.7, 2.8, 2.2. Mind you, Nunn also had the advantage of playing his senior year in the Horizon league where he could do whatever he wanted... he literally took 20 shots a game. Nunn is/was undersized for a SG... a good athlete with limited PG skills who was never known as a good defender. Nunn's only real advantage over Mac is he is/was a better 3 point shooter, and I would argue that Mac's path to the pros relies far more heavily on him becoming a better 3 point shooter than all this PG nonsense. At the end of the day Nunn, a guy who is the same size as Mac with no "pure PG" skills to speak of spent 5 years in college, went undrafted, spent 1 year in the G League, made the Heat the following year, started almost every game as a rookie (at PG for many of them) on a team that went to the NBA finals. Now I'm certainly not saying Mac will have similar success, but stop acting like it's not possible to play in the NBA and even excel there cus you're 6'2, not a good defender, and not a pure PG. Nunn was not some elite scorer until he got to the Horizon league... in 3 years at Illinois his best scoring year was 15.5 and his best assist year was 1.9. Mac already has an NBA caliber handle, he can make just about any pass you'd want your PG to make, he just lacks the pass first mentality. He'll never be a big time prospect cus he lacks size, that said, if he can put the ball in the basket and improve his 3 point shooting, there is likely a spot for him somewhere in the league. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Apr 12, 2021 23:54:49 GMT -5
I have no issue with him doing whatever he and his family think is best for him. He's got a dream. So, go out and do what you can to achieve it. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe it's a pipedream. But...it's not like he's getting ten minutes a game at a bad program. It's not a crazy dream. But it's a two way street. No one should expect fans of the program to do anything but support the guys who choose to be here. And it can't be a shock that many will rail against those that choose to go elsewhere. Rational, irrational, or otherwise. He will find a decent (at minimum) team in a major conference that promises him around 30 mpg. He will get his shots...because that's what he does. And none of it will matter a lick to the Georgetown Hoyas. I wouldn't expect the average Georgetown fan to root for Mac once he left, and I get that most are rooting for him to fail. That is not surprising. The strange part is that people are trying to somehow insist he made a mistake leaving Georgetown, when clearly he did not. He started every game, missed 0 games with injury, won a couple of major awards, had his best overall statistical season to date, played in the tournament, and played for a team that was in the top 25 every week of the season for the first time in school history. Yet the best reason people can come up with that he made a mistake is that Ewing could have thrown his weight around and got him on some bottom feeder Euro league team if he had stayed. It's also strange that so many people are questioning the decision to enter the NBA Draft and the transfer portal. It's literally the smartest thing he could do, yet people act like he's got "handlers" giving him bad advice. He does not have handlers, he's not getting advice from random money grubbing family members and friends.... and the decision to enter both the draft and portal was easily his best move. I have yet to hear an actual reason why that was a bad decision. By comparison, Akinjo, who also entered the draft, and also has little chance of being drafted, has little to no people commenting on how draftable he is or what a mistake it was that he's entering the draft, or questioning the "advice" of people who are in his ear that certainly have a far more vested interest in him making money playing pro ball than anyone in Mac's corner does. So what's the difference between the two? Both are in the draft, neither is likely to be selected, both transferred from Georgetown, both are for the most part unliked. Why is one guys draft prospects so interesting to people who claim to both not like him, yet not care about him, while the other guy is of little to no interest? I mean Cindad even makes a point to say he's not a McClung fan, claims to I believe be a Michigan fan, yet says he watched 10 TT games this year and of his 40 or so posts on this board at least half or more are centered on McClung. The obsession people who claim to not like or care about McClung have with his future NBA prospects is very odd. |
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Post by prhoya on Apr 13, 2021 1:23:27 GMT -5
I could care less about Mac and Akinjo. They are not Hoyas nor will they be remembered as one. The only mention of Georgetown in their future will be as part of the in-game talking points when the TV crew mentions all of the schools they have signed with and skipped on during their college careers, and the subsequent discussion on whether it was a good/bad decision.
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Post by TC on Apr 13, 2021 8:36:19 GMT -5
I could care less about Mac and Akinjo. They are not Hoyas nor will they be remembered as one. The only mention of Georgetown in their future will be as part of the in-game talking points when the TV crew mentions all of the schools they have signed with and skipped on during their college careers, and the subsequent discussion on whether it was a good/bad decision. The only school Mac has skipped on is Rutgers, and he skipped on them to come to us. I think people need to stop looking at recruitment as a 4-year commitment, because it's pretty clear that it is not for any number of reasons - the increasing focus on a player's economic rights, the view that a player's transfer rights need to be more aligned with the ability of coaches to change schools, the increasing number of professional basketball opportunities for players before they complete four years of school, and the increasing acceptance that scholarships are not a four year commitment from the side of the school. College basketball is an increasingly professional minor league and players should have rights even if acknowledging those rights create a less stable college basketball environment. A lot of people here love the benefits of being able to retool a senior class every year, but throw a 2-3 year long tantrum every time someone from our side leaves. |
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