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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 27, 2018 10:49:56 GMT -5
Agree. It’s just dumb mistakes from not good players. Mosley checks down to double in the post, and he completely loses his guy, who moves to the corner for a wide open 3. You can’t make those half asssed commitments. Plus Marcus had Hauser in check, you can't leave Rousey there. Jagan is a smart kid and I'm sure he will say the same thing when he watches the film. Another big play was Marcus sticking with the ball handler too long, Rousey, on a pick and pop in the final minutes of regulation. That lead to a wide open 3 from Hauser, who had already nailed 6 of them. Don't know what was up with Doc but looked like he was limping at times yesterday. He had that sleeve over his knee, maybe he was a bit banged up and that made a difference. Either way that's a play he got beat on a couple of times and will get on himself for in film session. After that Pat changed his scheme, and decided to switch all screens. That's why Marquette started to run a weave to force switches until they got a matchup they liked. Most of the time it ended up with Marcus guarding Rousey but ironically Marcus had more success in those situations than guarding the pick and pop. One time they did get a situation where Marcus Howard was being guarded by Jessie and he drilled a 3 over him to cut the lead to 1 in ot. That just basketball, it's a simple game. You make a decision to take something away and it leaves you vulnerable in other areas. We just didn't make enough plays late to win last night. Yeah, Im being overly harsh. I dont think Jagen is a bad player, or that anyone on this team is dumb or bad. I just think the difference between a good team and bad team is the level of talent to avoid these types of mistakes defensively.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 10:55:39 GMT -5
Two players who stood out last night for good games are Juggy and Mulmore. Juggy played within himself and didn’t rush shots nor plays. He still had some ballhandling flubs, Ned’s to vastly improve his passing with more zip, and needs to see the court much better. For me he went from deeply frustrating to watch and wondering why he is on the court at times to doing really good things. His shot was good rhythm not rushed and ran plays well off ball. His defense was rather good as well, much of the time. This needs to continue and start improving other aspects. If he ousts in the work he could be quite good. Mulmore defended well, was making shots, and plays. His mad dash and finish to get to overtime was fantastic. His nasty block on Rowsey’s fast break pull-up three attempt was one for the highlight reel.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 27, 2018 10:56:30 GMT -5
Agreed but Pickett plays most of his time at the 2. We are putting a lot on a unproven freshman to be, to right the ship.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Feb 27, 2018 10:58:23 GMT -5
Marquette ran 2 plays all night to get 10 and 30 open. 2 damn plays and we couldn't stop it. I don't know if that's the players being complete head cases, or if it's the coaching staff completely falling asleep at the wheel. Everyone in the arena knew it was coming, except the Hoyas. The guards run alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way around screens like body contact with an opponent will cause them to melt. It is pretty unbelievable how terrible this team (now, consistently) plays in second halves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 11:09:37 GMT -5
Plus Marcus had Hauser in check, you can't leave Rousey there. Jagan is a smart kid and I'm sure he will say the same thing when he watches the film. Another big play was Marcus sticking with the ball handler too long, Rousey, on a pick and pop in the final minutes of regulation. That lead to a wide open 3 from Hauser, who had already nailed 6 of them. Don't know what was up with Doc but looked like he was limping at times yesterday. He had that sleeve over his knee, maybe he was a bit banged up and that made a difference. Either way that's a play he got beat on a couple of times and will get on himself for in film session. After that Pat changed his scheme, and decided to switch all screens. That's why Marquette started to run a weave to force switches until they got a matchup they liked. Most of the time it ended up with Marcus guarding Rousey but ironically Marcus had more success in those situations than guarding the pick and pop. One time they did get a situation where Marcus Howard was being guarded by Jessie and he drilled a 3 over him to cut the lead to 1 in ot. That just basketball, it's a simple game. You make a decision to take something away and it leaves you vulnerable in other areas. We just didn't make enough plays late to win last night. Yeah, Im being overly harsh. I dont think Jagen is a bad player, or that anyone on this team is dumb or bad. I just think the difference between a good team and bad team is the level of talent to avoid these types of mistakes defensively. True, best teams avoid that situation altogether. Nova has a losing record in games decided by 5 points or less, but that record is 1-2...
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Post by saxagael on Feb 27, 2018 11:09:48 GMT -5
Two players who stood out last night for good games are Juggy and Mulmore. Juggy played within himself and didn’t rush shots nor plays. He still had some ballhandling flubs, Ned’s to vastly improve his passing with more zip, and needs to see the court much better. For me he went from deeply frustrating to watch and wondering why he is on the court at times to doing really good things. His shot was good rhythm not rushed and ran plays well off ball. His defense was rather good as well, much of the time. This needs to continue and start improving other aspects. If he ousts in the work he could be quite good. Mulmore defended well, was making shots, and plays. His mad dash and finish to get to overtime was fantastic. His nasty block on Rowsey’s fast break pull-up three attempt was one for the highlight reel. This! Good to hear another coaches take on Georgetown's improvement and Ewing's coaching capability. This is the 3rd opposing coach who has called out Patrick's use of timeouts and how it has the other team off balance.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 11:16:51 GMT -5
This! Good to hear another coaches take on Georgetown's improvement and Ewing's coaching capability. This is the 3rd opposing coach who has called out Patrick's use of timeouts and how it has the other team off balance. He also said coaches get judged on their end of game calls as well.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 27, 2018 11:21:52 GMT -5
I think Pat has done a great job in terms of pre-game preparation; that is, we have a purpose when we come into games and it looks like the guys have the conditioning to play at a higher level for longer than they did before. The overall attitude of the team has also gotten a lot better; a lot less sulking and blank stares this year even when things have gotten tough. That's a reflection of Pat and the will he has imposed on this team. Where he has struggled is coaching up his team to understand time, score and situation. Up 9 with basically the shot clock off at the end of the half, we can't go into half leading 6 there. Just can't. With a minute to go in regulation with the score tied, we run nearly the entire shot clock down instead of going 2 for 1 in the event of a miss. Were it not for Mulmore's heroics, clock management would've come into play there. And with 10 seconds left in OT down 4, you've got Dickerson jogging the ball up like he's taking a stroll in the park. Time. Score. Situation. We just aren't there yet. I don't think it's a talent issue; you don't need talent to understand these things. Can these things be coached up? Yes. But they haven't. They all share the blame here. Idk... I feel what you're saying, but I think the guys are pretty schooled in knowing they should take the last shot there. That's something you learn in middle school basketball but all of our shots have to come off sets, we can't just give the ball to a talented player and say wait until 8 seconds left and make a play like Marquette did with Hauser at the end of regulation. Ironically Hauser also left too much time on the clock and that led to Mulmore sending it into overtime.. I agree it's something you SHOULD learn in middle school basketball. But we've done it time and time again over the course of this season, and if we're really reviewing game tape like we're supposed to, this should be coming up and emphasized as a point of correction. Granted this is still an improvement over JTIII's shrug when we're down 10 with 5 to go and there's no press in sight to try and even speed the game up, but it's these mental and strategic errors that have cost us at least 4-5 games this year. Yes, absent a player (not necessarily even a PG but someone) you can trust to have the ball in his hand and create something for himself, we will struggle in end of game situations like that, but there's still a difference between not getting the shot you want from the guys you want shooting in the areas you want the shot coming from vs. shooting too quickly or running clock for no reason. In some games like the 2nd Butler game, we've been lucky enough to survive poor clock management. But on most nights, we're going to get beat by decent to better teams if we keep playing brain dead basketball in end of half/game situations.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 27, 2018 11:23:43 GMT -5
Agree. It’s just dumb mistakes from not good players. Mosley checks down to double in the post, and he completely loses his guy, who moves to the corner for a wide open 3. You can’t make those half asssed commitments. Plus Marcus had Hauser in check, you can't leave Rousey there. Jagan is a smart kid and I'm sure he will say the same thing when he watches the film. Another big play was Marcus sticking with the ball handler too long, Rousey, on a pick and pop in the final minutes of regulation. That lead to a wide open 3 from Hauser, who had already nailed 6 of them. Don't know what was up with Doc but looked like he was limping at times yesterday. He had that sleeve over his knee, maybe he was a bit banged up and that made a difference. Either way that's a play he got beat on a couple of times and will get on himself for in film session. After that Pat changed his scheme, and decided to switch all screens. That's why Marquette started to run a weave to force switches until they got a matchup they liked. Most of the time it ended up with Marcus guarding Rousey but ironically Marcus had more success in those situations than guarding the pick and pop. One time they did get a situation where Marcus Howard was being guarded by Jessie and he drilled a 3 over him to cut the lead to 1 in ot. That just basketball, it's a simple game. You make a decision to take something away and it leaves you vulnerable in other areas. We just didn't make enough plays late to win last night. In no way is this an attempt to criticize Coach Ewing as he and his staff see it everyday in practice but I can't help but wonder how a zone look down the stretch would have impacted the game vs switching all picks. Bring Kaleb back in on defense and play him up top in the zone next to Mulmore to balance out any size advantage that Hauser could have. Anim and Heldt were non factors on the floor so Govan could take away ball screen up top against the zone very similar to the way Lubick did on the Porter and the Miracles Team when that defense was dominant at times. Also I understand the idea of running the flex offense down the stretch but as a coach for over 20 years at various levels. I've taught the flex offense which is a timing based offense. It takes a long time to teach it and get it working at high level. The team looked lost in trying to run it timing and spacing wise, and it flopped down the stretch in regulation. Last thing I noticed is out of timeouts, some of the players particularly the freshman and Dickerson seem to be lost and fail to execute Coach Ewing's play call or strategy. The freshman is not to much of a surprise because the mental jump they have to make to execute at the Big East level with Coach Ewing running NBA sets is a lot to ask. They will improve over time, repetition and experience with Coach Ewing. I think that's also why you see Coach Ewing trying to simplify things with going to his best matchup Derrickson and saying go get me a bucket in the waning moments of the game.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 27, 2018 11:24:06 GMT -5
Yeah, by my rough count, we are 4-7 in OT/last possession/last minute type games. That's pretty amazing. We have 5 OT games this season. We beat SJU 2X, Butler, and SH, but lost all the others. That's not really that bad or surprising of a record, but it's the fact that we are in 11 of those games that is the issue.
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Post by the_way on Feb 27, 2018 11:30:42 GMT -5
Why do many great players make bad coaches? Not saying this is the case with Ewing, but success as a player doesn't automatically translate to success on the court as a coach. Possibly this is where Ewing's NBA coaching experience differs from the college game? I would suspect college teams run more defensive sets than in the NBA? Ewing played in the NBA when only man-to-man defense was allowed. He coached when they changed the rules in the NBA, but I'm not sure if NBA teams really mix things up like they do in college. Maybe somebody knows the numbers on that. What are top defensive teams doing in college right now? The teams that are consistently good at defense? What do they run and how do they recruit?The #1 defensive team in the country and currently ranked #1 team in the polls, Virginia uses the pack the line defense. I don't know if they have NBA lottery picks or NBA level players on the team. Right. And this year is the first year I've seen Virginia with great athleticism across the board. Usually, they look no different than your average team, but still play great defense. Also, isn't (or wasn't ) their defense also helped by their conservative offensive approach? If we are pushing the ball in transition, won't that affect our defensive stats? Other teams will score. The key is making some crucial stops late in games. It is a struggle for us to get any it seems in crunch time.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 27, 2018 11:42:02 GMT -5
Plus Marcus had Hauser in check, you can't leave Rousey there. Jagan is a smart kid and I'm sure he will say the same thing when he watches the film. Another big play was Marcus sticking with the ball handler too long, Rousey, on a pick and pop in the final minutes of regulation. That lead to a wide open 3 from Hauser, who had already nailed 6 of them. Don't know what was up with Doc but looked like he was limping at times yesterday. He had that sleeve over his knee, maybe he was a bit banged up and that made a difference. Either way that's a play he got beat on a couple of times and will get on himself for in film session. After that Pat changed his scheme, and decided to switch all screens. That's why Marquette started to run a weave to force switches until they got a matchup they liked. Most of the time it ended up with Marcus guarding Rousey but ironically Marcus had more success in those situations than guarding the pick and pop. One time they did get a situation where Marcus Howard was being guarded by Jessie and he drilled a 3 over him to cut the lead to 1 in ot. That just basketball, it's a simple game. You make a decision to take something away and it leaves you vulnerable in other areas. We just didn't make enough plays late to win last night. In no way is this an attempt to criticize Coach Ewing as he and his staff see it everyday in practice but I can't help but wonder how a zone look down the stretch would have impacted the game vs switching all picks. Bring Kaleb back in on defense and play him up top in the zone next to Mulmore to balance out any size advantage that Hauser could have. Anim and Heldt were non factors on the floor so Govan could take away ball screen up top against the zone very similar to the way Lubick did on the Porter and the Miracles Team when that defense was dominant at times. Also I understand the idea of running the flex offense down the stretch but as a coach for over 20 years at various levels. I've taught the flex offense which is a timing based offense. It takes a long time to teach it and get it working at high level. The team looked lost in trying to run it timing and spacing wise, and it flopped down the stretch in regulation. Last thing I noticed is out of timeouts, some of the players particularly the freshman and Dickerson seem to be lost and fail to execute Coach Ewing's play call or strategy. The freshman is not to much of a surprise because the mental jump they have to make to execute at the Big East level with Coach Ewing running NBA sets is a lot to ask. They will improve over time, repetition and experience with Coach Ewing. I think that's also why you see Coach Ewing trying to simplify things with going to his best matchup Derrickson and saying go get me a bucket in the waning moments of the game. You have to play strong team defense with communication and rotation to play a zone. We have not shown any ability to do so. And Mulmore completely lost or left Rousey at least 4 times last night for wide open 3's, not sure how he would be able to neutralize Hauser or anyone else. Right now (with 9 or 10 days left in the season) playing zone, or for that matter pressing, is useful only sporadically, to throw the other team out of rhythm for 2 or 3 possessions. More than that and we give up open 3's (zone) and layups (press).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 11:59:12 GMT -5
Idk... I feel what you're saying, but I think the guys are pretty schooled in knowing they should take the last shot there. That's something you learn in middle school basketball but all of our shots have to come off sets, we can't just give the ball to a talented player and say wait until 8 seconds left and make a play like Marquette did with Hauser at the end of regulation. Ironically Hauser also left too much time on the clock and that led to Mulmore sending it into overtime.. I agree it's something you SHOULD learn in middle school basketball. But we've done it time and time again over the course of this season, and if we're really reviewing game tape like we're supposed to, this should be coming up and emphasized as a point of correction. Granted this is still an improvement over JTIII's shrug when we're down 10 with 5 to go and there's no press in sight to try and even speed the game up, but it's these mental and strategic errors that have cost us at least 4-5 games this year. Yes, absent a player (not necessarily even a PG but someone) you can trust to have the ball in his hand and create something for himself, we will struggle in end of game situations like that, but there's still a difference between not getting the shot you want from the guys you want shooting in the areas you want the shot coming from vs. shooting too quickly or running clock for no reason. In some games like the 2nd Butler game, we've been lucky enough to survive poor clock management. But on most nights, we're going to get beat by decent to better teams if we keep playing brain dead basketball in end of half/game situations. I have a hard time believing that hasn't occurred. If guys like us can see it, staff can see it too... These guys are all former players so hard to believe it's not being stressed and they aren't sending these messages imo.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 27, 2018 12:02:23 GMT -5
So are the players just not listening? Do they not have the technique or ability to close out quickly enough? Why is a team that is coached by one if the most intense defenders in NCAA history so BAD defensively??! I think they're listening but just not executing or don't know how to execute. I think this comes with players that have an high IQ of the game of basketball. We have to remember Patrick was a big man who was a rim protector. What is this team working on in practice as far as defensive drills. Who is working with them on this? COMMUNICATION is a HUGE key are they on a consistent basis in practice because if they are this would follow over to gamedays. Are they working on close out drills on the perimeter? Do the guards know where they're suppose to be? As a team are they working on charges? Excellent point about communication glide. And not only do players have to communicate on defense, they have to work together as a unit, rotating and helping almost automatically. That is a big reason that experienced squads dominated by seniors and juniors are often the best defensive teams. While we do have 3 juniors, we give a lot of minutes to 3 first year and one second year guys.
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 27, 2018 12:02:26 GMT -5
Boy. Would have been nice if we hadn’t given them 3 pts just before half. Yup. And if Govan would at least compete for a rebound down the stretch. I love Govan but taking that shot with 8 seconds left at the end of the first half was the dumbest thing I’ve seen all season. More dumb than Goven fouling the guy under our basket with a tie game to lose on free throws? Almost but not quite.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 12:05:49 GMT -5
Plus Marcus had Hauser in check, you can't leave Rousey there. Jagan is a smart kid and I'm sure he will say the same thing when he watches the film. Another big play was Marcus sticking with the ball handler too long, Rousey, on a pick and pop in the final minutes of regulation. That lead to a wide open 3 from Hauser, who had already nailed 6 of them. Don't know what was up with Doc but looked like he was limping at times yesterday. He had that sleeve over his knee, maybe he was a bit banged up and that made a difference. Either way that's a play he got beat on a couple of times and will get on himself for in film session. After that Pat changed his scheme, and decided to switch all screens. That's why Marquette started to run a weave to force switches until they got a matchup they liked. Most of the time it ended up with Marcus guarding Rousey but ironically Marcus had more success in those situations than guarding the pick and pop. One time they did get a situation where Marcus Howard was being guarded by Jessie and he drilled a 3 over him to cut the lead to 1 in ot. That just basketball, it's a simple game. You make a decision to take something away and it leaves you vulnerable in other areas. We just didn't make enough plays late to win last night. In no way is this an attempt to criticize Coach Ewing as he and his staff see it everyday in practice but I can't help but wonder how a zone look down the stretch would have impacted the game vs switching all picks. Bring Kaleb back in on defense and play him up top in the zone next to Mulmore to balance out any size advantage that Hauser could have. Anim and Heldt were non factors on the floor so Govan could take away ball screen up top against the zone very similar to the way Lubick did on the Porter and the Miracles Team when that defense was dominant at times. Also I understand the idea of running the flex offense down the stretch but as a coach for over 20 years at various levels. I've taught the flex offense which is a timing based offense. It takes a long time to teach it and get it working at high level. The team looked lost in trying to run it timing and spacing wise, and it flopped down the stretch in regulation. Last thing I noticed is out of timeouts, some of the players particularly the freshman and Dickerson seem to be lost and fail to execute Coach Ewing's play call or strategy. The freshman is not to much of a surprise because the mental jump they have to make to execute at the Big East level with Coach Ewing running NBA sets is a lot to ask. They will improve over time, repetition and experience with Coach Ewing. I think that's also why you see Coach Ewing trying to simplify things with going to his best matchup Derrickson and saying go get me a bucket in the waning moments of the game. I think those are fair critiques in the first two paragraphs but to me it's half a dozen in one and 6 in the other. Think they are trying to figure out how to manufacture points late and are trying different looks to see what works with this group. Not really directed at you just speaking in general but we say, no adjustments are being made. But when we make an adjustment and it doesn't work we're like, not that adjustment! haha
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 27, 2018 12:12:47 GMT -5
One starkly symbolic play that irked me - rebound goes to the floor under the basket, Marquette guy hits the floor after it, grabs it and passes out to a teammate - while THREE Hoyas stand around him and just reach down at the ball, none of them go to the floor.
Hopefully Patrick runs the tape back and forth 10 or 12 times for our guys to watch.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 27, 2018 12:47:39 GMT -5
In no way is this an attempt to criticize Coach Ewing as he and his staff see it everyday in practice but I can't help but wonder how a zone look down the stretch would have impacted the game vs switching all picks. Bring Kaleb back in on defense and play him up top in the zone next to Mulmore to balance out any size advantage that Hauser could have. Anim and Heldt were non factors on the floor so Govan could take away ball screen up top against the zone very similar to the way Lubick did on the Porter and the Miracles Team when that defense was dominant at times. Also I understand the idea of running the flex offense down the stretch but as a coach for over 20 years at various levels. I've taught the flex offense which is a timing based offense. It takes a long time to teach it and get it working at high level. The team looked lost in trying to run it timing and spacing wise, and it flopped down the stretch in regulation. Last thing I noticed is out of timeouts, some of the players particularly the freshman and Dickerson seem to be lost and fail to execute Coach Ewing's play call or strategy. The freshman is not to much of a surprise because the mental jump they have to make to execute at the Big East level with Coach Ewing running NBA sets is a lot to ask. They will improve over time, repetition and experience with Coach Ewing. I think that's also why you see Coach Ewing trying to simplify things with going to his best matchup Derrickson and saying go get me a bucket in the waning moments of the game. You have to play strong team defense with communication and rotation to play a zone. We have not shown any ability to do so. And Mulmore completely lost or left Rousey at least 4 times last night for wide open 3's, not sure how he would be able to neutralize Hauser or anyone else. Right now (with 9 or 10 days left in the season) playing zone, or for that matter pressing, is useful only sporadically, to throw the other team out of rhythm for 2 or 3 possessions. More than that and we give up open 3's (zone) and layups (press). Smh....Every team defense requires strong communication and rotations to be effective. The zone at least could take them out of their rhythm and make them have to think of how to attack...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 27, 2018 13:03:29 GMT -5
In no way is this an attempt to criticize Coach Ewing as he and his staff see it everyday in practice but I can't help but wonder how a zone look down the stretch would have impacted the game vs switching all picks. Bring Kaleb back in on defense and play him up top in the zone next to Mulmore to balance out any size advantage that Hauser could have. Anim and Heldt were non factors on the floor so Govan could take away ball screen up top against the zone very similar to the way Lubick did on the Porter and the Miracles Team when that defense was dominant at times. Also I understand the idea of running the flex offense down the stretch but as a coach for over 20 years at various levels. I've taught the flex offense which is a timing based offense. It takes a long time to teach it and get it working at high level. The team looked lost in trying to run it timing and spacing wise, and it flopped down the stretch in regulation. Last thing I noticed is out of timeouts, some of the players particularly the freshman and Dickerson seem to be lost and fail to execute Coach Ewing's play call or strategy. The freshman is not to much of a surprise because the mental jump they have to make to execute at the Big East level with Coach Ewing running NBA sets is a lot to ask. They will improve over time, repetition and experience with Coach Ewing. I think that's also why you see Coach Ewing trying to simplify things with going to his best matchup Derrickson and saying go get me a bucket in the waning moments of the game. I think those are fair critiques in the first two paragraphs but to me it's half a dozen in one and 6 in the other. Think they are trying to figure out how to manufacture points late and are trying different looks to see what works with this group. Not really directed at you just speaking in general but we say, no adjustments are being made. But when we make an adjustment and it doesn't work we're like, not that adjustment! haha Like I said I understand Coach Ewing thinking in using the flex. In actuality if ran right, it would be a really effective set for the Hoyas current lineup because it doesn't require your PG to make a play in space and gets the ball into your best players close to the hoop. This team's biggest limitation is the play Rowsey made for the last 2 points of the game. The zone would at minimum slow Marquette's offense, and force them to think and at minimum get them out of their offensive rhythm and flow even if it was just used at the very end of the game for a couple plays. I actually applaud the adjustments he's trying to make as it shows he's still tinkering, trying to find away to make the team less predictable on offense and looking for any advantage he can this late in the season. That mentality will do Coach Ewing well each and every season. As a former coach who taught the offense, I saw immediately the confusion on the floor just getting into position starting the set and knew it was doomed as the timing was completely off with Govan and Derrickson starting the action before the guards were even in place. It's a very tough offense to teach but if ran right would eliminate a lot of this team's short comings on offense.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 27, 2018 13:08:09 GMT -5
One starkly symbolic play that irked me - rebound goes to the floor under the basket, Marquette guy hits the floor after it, grabs it and passes out to a teammate - while THREE Hoyas stand around him and just reach down at the ball, none of them go to the floor. Hopefully Patrick runs the tape back and forth 10 or 12 times for our guys to watch. I'm still waiting for Pickett to get on the floor for one loose ball as he seems to be around the ball in a lot of these situations and has yet to make the extra effort.
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