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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 7:47:58 GMT -5
Just another true point guard. Doesn't have to be nba level but that would be nice I want to believe this, but I keep thinking it is going to take more than that. JTIII had Chris Wright and Markel Starks and their greatest post season achievement was getting to the BET Finals. Yes sir, but there were lots of things as point guards they were for us that didn't get done during games. Attacking the basket and getting the ball to our bigs were a couple of them. We should've won. I believe if Lumpy didn't get hurt when he did he would've drove us pretty far into the tournament because he had gotten totally better toward the end of the season with decision making. We could've still beaten FGCU if were not for Starks making a better decision not to shoot that last three pointer, but instead drive to basket. We were only down by 3 points. We would've only been down by probably one point or he could've made an and one. True point guards KNOW one of their duties is to think pass first and make their teammates better. They are the keys to the car. Without the keys to your you cannot go anywhere. If we have at two of these high basketball IQ minded floor generals/point guards, plus with what we have now I think we'd be in good shape along with our new bigs and with Jessie and Marcus still around. The vision I have is this. We have Malinowski he's a good shooter and attacks the basket. He plays smart with the ball in his hands. I think Jagan will only get better coming off of the bench. I think some things will change, BUT we MUST get another true point guard or at least a combo who has a REALLY high basketball IQ.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 27, 2018 7:49:11 GMT -5
Defense. Not up to the task last night. Most all of the losses come down to poor execution on the defensive end. You KNOW EWing stressed closing out on the shooters, he stressed as much publicly pregame. So are the players just not listening? Do they not have the technique or ability to close out quickly enough? Why is a team that is coached by one if the most intense defenders in NCAA history so BAD defensively??!
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 27, 2018 7:53:00 GMT -5
As it has been mentioned, we just don’t have the players that can create for themselves. Govan and Derrickson are easy to defend in end of game situations. I would let Johnson or Mulmore beat me from deep.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 7:53:47 GMT -5
On more than 9 scholarship players....... This team is severely void of talent on the perimeter, and we have no one to back-up Jesse or Marcus when they get tired of in foul trouble Help is on the way, but we need another scorer who doesn't mind defending... One thing about defending. Your first line of defense is your point guard.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 27, 2018 7:55:32 GMT -5
This happened - AGAIN! If anything, the late half results of Georgetown are becoming predictable--this team cannot hold a lead. Leading by 12, 43-31 with 1:37 to play stepped up Andrew Rowsey Mulmore completely lost Rousey on the first two 3's. Although Jonathan had his best offensive game as a Hoya, he gave it all back on the other end.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 27, 2018 8:01:54 GMT -5
Agree with this. The signs of progress seem to have been at least partly a mirage now. They are still playing well for 2/3rds of the game and then collapsing like they did against Syracuse and Butler two months ago and like they have in the last two weeks. Too many players disappear for long periods of time. Look at the box score after every game and see 2-3 players who simply did not produce at a level that justifies the minutes they played. That is what happens with a team filled with role players and also little depth. It is actually amazing how well Govan and MD have avoided foul trouble for much of the year. Ewing is not yet a fully developed coach—not a shock at all unless you believed that his playing resume would translate into his coaching resume. Effort is not the problem but effort alone cannot be the solution. No shooters, no depth, no chance. Part of the selling point for Ewing was that he was an NBA assistant coach for years. Agree that was part of the sales pitch for Ewing and used to raise expectations. In fact he has shown that he can coach, but no one in charge of the sideline for the first time in his career--whether he is 30 or 55 years old--is going to avoid mistakes, including some that will lead to a loss. Ewing has rightly admitted that he has been outcoached at times. He has also made notable progress in developing MD, Govan, Pickett and Blair. But he has been forced to work with an incomplete team and too many effort kids that are not close to complete players. Mosley and Kaleb are just two examples of players who you want on your team, want coming off the bench but still have too many flaws in their games to warrant the minutes Ewing has to give them with a short bench and little depth. I was not happy with the hire, considering it a desperate attempt by the Administration to appease Big John. But I have seen enough this year to convince me that he has earned the right to coach this program for now. If he continues to grow, scores a few more recruiting wins and finds some guards who can both shoot and handle the ball, things will be fine. If not, the program will remain irrelevant on the national scene.
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Post by the_way on Feb 27, 2018 8:07:19 GMT -5
Defense. Not up to the task last night. Most all of the losses come down to poor execution on the defensive end. You KNOW EWing stressed closing out on the shooters, he stressed as much publicly pregame. So are the players just not listening? Do they not have the technique or ability to close out quickly enough? Why is a team that is coached by one if the most intense defenders in NCAA history so BAD defensively??! Why do many great players make bad coaches? Not saying this is the case with Ewing, but success as a player doesn't automatically translate to success on the court as a coach. Possibly this is where Ewing's NBA coaching experience differs from the college game? I would suspect college teams run more defensive sets than in the NBA? Ewing played in the NBA when only man-to-man defense was allowed. He coached when they changed the rules in the NBA, but I'm not sure if NBA teams really mix things up like they do in college. Maybe somebody knows the numbers on that. What are top defensive teams doing in college right now? The teams that are consistently good at defense? What do they run and how do they recruit?
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 8:12:31 GMT -5
Defense. Not up to the task last night. Most all of the losses come down to poor execution on the defensive end. You KNOW EWing stressed closing out on the shooters, he stressed as much publicly pregame. So are the players just not listening? Do they not have the technique or ability to close out quickly enough? Why is a team that is coached by one if the most intense defenders in NCAA history so BAD defensively??! I think they're listening but just not executing or don't know how to execute. I think this comes with players that have an high IQ of the game of basketball. We have to remember Patrick was a big man who was a rim protector. What is this team working on in practice as far as defensive drills. Who is working with them on this? COMMUNICATION is a HUGE key are they on a consistent basis in practice because if they are this would follow over to gamedays. Are they working on close out drills on the perimeter? Do the guards know where they're suppose to be? As a team are they working on charges?
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 8:20:34 GMT -5
Really gave them 5-6 points considering Govan took and missed a shot with way too much time left on the clock. We hit a 3 as the clock expires and we go up 12 instead of 6. Big difference. This was the play that had me saying immediately "if we end up losing close and late again I bet that'll be the difference." And it was. Bad basketball IQ, bad coaching for not ensuring a shot doesn't go up with more than 4 seconds to go, call it whatever you want. It's the small details like that that continue to cost this team games. Exactly what I've always been saying.
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Post by alleninxis on Feb 27, 2018 8:20:41 GMT -5
Ideally we'd have switched nearly everything last night - at least 1 through 4.
Hard to ask marcus and Jessie to do so. With the game on the line, we did switch - and it turned out fine. Hauser made a tough shot, got a stop or 2 otherwise.
Guards did okay sometimes downing ball screens - other times didn't fight to get positioning. I wish they'd do that more - but schemetacially there's nothing really out of place for what you'd see of a good defensive team. Pairing two traditional bigs is a catch 22 in 2018.
This team does not do a good job ID'ing shooters, tracking guys in transition - and most glaring they don't close out well.
A guy like LeBlanc (in theory) shifts everything - you switch that 1/4 Hauser pick and pop and that's wiped away for Marquette. So it's some personnel, some just very little, correctable mistakes.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 8:23:27 GMT -5
As I said before the game, you have to be very physical with 3 point shooters. You can't let them have those easy 3 point shots in transition. Rowsey and Hauser were as fresh in OT as they were in the first half. If you can check out a tape of the Creighton-Nova game. Creighton showed hw it is done. No, you have to COMMUNICATE AND CLOSE OUT!
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Post by saxagael on Feb 27, 2018 8:23:38 GMT -5
Defense. Not up to the task last night. Most all of the losses come down to poor execution on the defensive end. You KNOW EWing stressed closing out on the shooters, he stressed as much publicly pregame. So are the players just not listening? Do they not have the technique or ability to close out quickly enough? Why is a team that is coached by one if the most intense defenders in NCAA history so BAD defensively??! Most of it is they don’t communicate and they get torn apart on picks and don’t make the switches. They get burned by players being out of position with helpmdefense and leave a shooter too open and too much room to close. There are just too many players who aren’t good defenders or are liabilities. Pickett has improved quite a bit this year, but has a ways to go. Dickerson and Mosely have improved and aren’t getting burned as much and are getting stops. Govan is a defensive liability, even though he has improved a lot he doesn’t have much of an understanding of where he is supposed to be nor what he is supposed to do. Govan defending in the paint has nobody worried they can’t drive on him and get to the basket. Govan an the perimeter is easy to drive on and he doesn’t move well. I’ve been trying to watch and sort out who Derrickson, Johnson, and Mulmore are helping on defense and it usually is Govan and they are shading to the paint too much as he can’t protect the middle. These three are good defenders, but are continually caught in picks that aren’t called out or are in help defense mode, which has the, out of good coverage range. Against ‘quette nearly all the wide open three shots were on picks and nobody switched. That shouldn’t happen.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 8:24:47 GMT -5
But Pat slowed us down for no reason up 1 around 1:30 left and we didn’t get a shot off and his players have to understand time and score at end of first half. This is my biggest problem with the end of game management. Our offense just boggs down. There is a couple of passes then just force to the post. I know we have good post guys but its way too easy to defend when you know its coming. The other teams are running weaves and screens all over the place and we are just running out the clock and praying to get bailed out. Ewing needs to work on this big time.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 27, 2018 8:32:47 GMT -5
Rebounding, rebounding, rebounding. In our wins against SHU and Butler, we have rebounded well. Last night, we let a good shooting team too many second chances. We also gave them too many defensive rebounds and allowed run outs.
We know we don’t have a point guard. It is abundantly clear that the coaching staff is making this a priority. I actually believe something will fall into place. FWIW I believe Mulmore had his best game since Richmond. Credit to him.
It is difficult to see what type of defensive scheme Ewing is trying to implement. But in fairness the players he inherited from JT3 probably don’t fit. It’s going to take a couple of seasons. Most teams known for its defense — WV, Va, and Cincinnati— recruit for roles. Someone like Jay Wright seems to effortlessly prepare kids for roles and of course he knows exactly who he wants and how they fit. We can wring our hands about Ewing’s lack of experience. I suppose it shows, especially when we see moves that don’t work. But I would be interested in learning more about his impressions of college offensive schemes and whether his own ideas are adjusting. Looking forward to seeing LeBlanc and Carter. I think Walker would ultimately become a key player.
The Marquette defense consisted of disrupting passing lanes into paint. We had 15 turnovers and that is not good. 4-6 weeks ago, it would have been far uglier. Passing has improved considerably. Hoyas made tough passes, nearly every successful trip down the court.
These losses are frustrating no doubt, even more for the team than us. They are still fighting. And I think they have improved considerably. Perhaps my bar is low because I had low expectations coming into this month, but I really think the staff has done a great job with this group. They were fighting hard against a team that was fighting for its postseason life.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 27, 2018 8:34:29 GMT -5
This happened - AGAIN! If anything, the late half results of Georgetown are becoming predictable--this team cannot hold a lead. Leading by 12, 43-31 with 1:37 to play stepped up Andrew Rowsey Govan took a 3 with time left in the half when we could have run the clock down. He missed and Rowsey hit the 3 at the buzzer. That was a terrible mistake that should not happen.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 8:35:44 GMT -5
How do we end up being in so many games late with such poor coaching? Is our talent level really good and the coach holding them back, or? You tell us. Or maybe Glide. I respect you guys... Yes, we need a point guard. We need some good news!! Our players make poor decisions and cannot execute under any type of pressure. How do we end up in close games with poor decision making/game and clock management (use of timeouts) at the end of games is what the question should be. If we're up 43-31 with 1:37 or even 1:57 to go in the game, me as a coach I'm winning this game. I'm not going to let the best shooters on a team beat me for one. I'm going to use strategy to get this game over with. My quards are going to attack the basket, but first a coach has to recognize if his team is in the bonus or double bonus. Pound the ball inside. Maybe use a timeout. How you know if you're a good coach is at the end of close games. The decisions you make. When I'm coaching I constantly look at the clock especially when the game is close and watch to see how many timeouts I have left.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 27, 2018 8:38:37 GMT -5
I actually think Ewing’s defense approach has been good. If you notice, games aren’t ending with a parade of the other team going to the line. That was what drove me crazy the last few years. And, I’m hoping we’ve corrected that. It’s just that the players are so bad at switching/executing. You would have to think that if we just had 1-2 decent defensive recruits, perhaps the other team wouldn’t have wide open shots even in the last minute. Call me crazy.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 8:41:26 GMT -5
Need to vigorously work on "closing out" in practice. Every practice for about 20 mins. or more.
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Post by the_way on Feb 27, 2018 8:42:23 GMT -5
I actually think Ewing’s defense approach has been good. If you notice, games aren’t ending with a parade of the other team going to the line. That was what drove me crazy the last few years. And, I’m hoping we’ve corrected that. It’s just that the players are so bad at switching/executing. You would have to think that if we just had 1-2 decent defensive recruits, perhaps the other team wouldn’t have wide open shots even in the last minute. Call me crazy. Well, I guess we aren't fouling, but we aren't making stops either. Team can get just about anything they want when it matters most. So, do great defensive teams recruit better defenders than everyone else? Is that how it works? Or is it a combination of things. Again, I look at Nova. Great team, but don't necessarily look like world-beaters athletically.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 8:44:54 GMT -5
Nothing really. No ill intent meant.Both of you please accept my apology!! This is frustrating. We have a talent issue, and you seem aware of talent. I hoping some thing good comes our way. You dont normally say a lot about in-game stuff. Patrick is going through a learning curve just like the players. But on the court, players make the difference Watching us play, U am waiting for the team to exercise baf decions or be unable to make plays, across the board. Again, please accept my apology...both of you! People are posting after a loss, the board gets a little testy. I am sure both will accept your apology. LOl what's going on here. I think DCHoya was really give us our props in asking a decent question I answered it. I don't think Dchoya was comparing or saying anything about you and I @yaboynyc. I can only do my best in telling what I do or don't know. No tripping out here. lol
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