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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 26, 2018 23:05:12 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 26, 2018 23:06:38 GMT -5
Need Mosely and Johnson to step it up on the offensive end next year. Too many players that can’t hit an open look. Mulmore and Dickerson aren’t shooters.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 26, 2018 23:07:38 GMT -5
Not that you expect more than sound bites in a post-game, but how are we going to win those close games Patrick? We have been saying that for weeks, but it isn't getting any better.
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 26, 2018 23:07:44 GMT -5
Not sure what to think at this point. You would think that the more close games we play, the better the players and coaches would be able to close out. But no. We had one decent 4-day stretch against 2 middle-of-the-road teams, and 3 wins against the dregs of the conference. Almost all of our players are amazingly inconsistent, even Govan and Derrickson in stretches. I am not sure the team as a whole is much better than in late December/early January when we lost close games to Butler and Marquette. Gonna be a loooong off season convincing ourselves that our recruiting class will give us a big lift. Yes, but we will be hopeful. We ned what everyone has been asking for. The team is doing the best they can, but their best isnt enough. I hate it when my best isnt enough!!! So I'm sure they feel the same. It isn't water off of a duck's back.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 26, 2018 23:08:42 GMT -5
Non-game observation. Not only Rodney Pryor but Jahidi White and Victor Page (again) at the game tonight. Jahidi's an aau coach, yes? Don't know. He had courtside seats (near where DiGioia typically sits) and was cradling a small baby.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 26, 2018 23:14:28 GMT -5
Not sure what to think at this point. You would think that the more close games we play, the better the players and coaches would be able to close out. But no. We had one decent 4-day stretch against 2 middle-of-the-road teams, and 3 wins against the dregs of the conference. Almost all of our players are amazingly inconsistent, even Govan and Derrickson in stretches. I am not sure the team as a whole is much better than in late December/early January when we lost close games to Butler and Marquette. Gonna be a loooong off season convincing ourselves that our recruiting class will give us a big lift. Agree with this. The signs of progress seem to have been at least partly a mirage now. They are still playing well for 2/3rds of the game and then collapsing like they did against Syracuse and Butler two months ago and like they have in the last two weeks. Too many players disappear for long periods of time. Look at the box score after every game and see 2-3 players who simply did not produce at a level that justifies the minutes they played. That is what happens with a team filled with role players and also little depth. It is actually amazing how well Govan and MD have avoided foul trouble for much of the year. Ewing is not yet a fully developed coach—not a shock at all unless you believed that his playing resume would translate into his coaching resume. Effort is not the problem but effort alone cannot be the solution. No shooters, no depth, no chance.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 26, 2018 23:18:04 GMT -5
Jahidi's an aau coach, yes? Don't know. He had courtside seats (near where DiGioia typically sits) and was cradling a small baby. You sure it wasn't a 6-year old that just LOOKED like a small baby in Jahidi's arms?!
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Post by the_way on Feb 26, 2018 23:19:34 GMT -5
Not sure what to think at this point. You would think that the more close games we play, the better the players and coaches would be able to close out. But no. We had one decent 4-day stretch against 2 middle-of-the-road teams, and 3 wins against the dregs of the conference. Almost all of our players are amazingly inconsistent, even Govan and Derrickson in stretches. I am not sure the team as a whole is much better than in late December/early January when we lost close games to Butler and Marquette. Gonna be a loooong off season convincing ourselves that our recruiting class will give us a big lift. Yes, but we will be hopeful. We ned what everyone has been asking for. The team is doing the best they can, but their best isnt enough. I hate it when my best isnt enough!!! So I'm sure they feel the same. It isn't water off of a duck's back. This team reached its ceiling and overachieved with wins against Butler and Seton Hall and folks are wondering why we can't make that next step. So, you can understand the frustration by some. Then the fools gold of us being competitive in a lot these games only to show our true colors at the end of games can be crushing. Our deficiencies keep rearing their ugly because some of these are things just aren't necessarily correctable, no matter how much we want them to change. We've made strides and improvements, but we were projected at the bottom of the conference for a reason. Recruiting has to upgrade and Ewing has to improve upon his defensive approach.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 26, 2018 23:30:13 GMT -5
I know it's pointless to put this out there but I can't help but think How good this team would be and how good LJ Peak would have been on this team in Ewing's varied offensive sets and up tempo style. A highly skilled athletic guard that can get you buckets consistently down the stretch alongside the inside outside tandem of Govan & Derrickson.
Top 3 team in BIG EAST Top 25 and NCAA tournament lock with a chance to show the Association how his game really translates....A WIN WIN!!!
I get why he left as he has responsibilities but...
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 27, 2018 0:07:39 GMT -5
Need Mosely and Johnson to step it up on the offensive end next year. Too many players that can’t hit an open look. Mulmore and Dickerson aren’t shooters. I have to admit that these two players have been the most frustrating to watch this season. Even more so than Mulmore and Dickerson. Given their relative low ceiling , I have actually seen growth in both Mulmore and Dickerson as the season progressed. I honestly cannot say the same about Moseley and Johnson. I thought midsession given the improvement of Blsir and Pickett that there were good things ahead for this team when Moseley and Johnson would show likewise growth to round out this team. Alas, their play at this point is still littered with as much indecisive play and inconsistent play as their play was on day one. They just have not grown with the rest of the the players that were counted on to help this team be successful. The most egregious has been Johnson. He has actually regressed. Early in the OOC he was taking and making the open 3pt shot. Driving to the basket when they rushed out on him. Making most of his free throws. I know Patrick feels he is his best defender and needs him to start the game, but he now is the “new Nate” for this team. I cringe every time he gets the ball now, no matter where he is on the court.i appreciate the young man’s hustle on defense but he had become too much of an offensive liability to con tinge to start him. It was interesting that when the Hoyad erased a 20 point deficit and took a 10 point lead the players that were on the floor were Govan, Derrickson, Pickett, Dickerson and Blair. Somehow the Hoyss played better defense during that span with Johnson on the bench. Moseley just had been a frustrating tease the whole season. You see his limited handle but you see his willingness to drive the lane and get a basket, but then don’t see him do it again for rest of the game. You see him take an open 3pt shot and make it, then he does not take the same shot again for rest of the game. Johnson is a Junior and Moseley is s soph, yet Patrick has had to rely on two freshmen(Pickett and Blair) to gradually improve to make his his team better. Patrick and staff have done a good job coaching up this team over the season, but if there is one criticism that I have it is the same criticism I had of JTIII. It’s his penchant for sticking with the same staring five to start both halves. Clearly, as I said earlier the five players that moved the needle the most during the first half were(Govan,Derrickson, Pickett, Blair and Dickerson, yet he starts the second half with Mulmore and Johnson in the starting five.. I believe in riding the hot hand until the defense shuts that down, then going back to another five players. This promotes players playing with more intensity, because they know that, if you do not bring the necessary intensity to start a half someone else will take your place at the next half. I know it’s not who starts but who finishes, but let’s stop handicapping your offense at the start of each half.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 27, 2018 1:10:17 GMT -5
Not sure what to think at this point. You would think that the more close games we play, the better the players and coaches would be able to close out. But no. We had one decent 4-day stretch against 2 middle-of-the-road teams, and 3 wins against the dregs of the conference. Almost all of our players are amazingly inconsistent, even Govan and Derrickson in stretches. I am not sure the team as a whole is much better than in late December/early January when we lost close games to Butler and Marquette. Gonna be a loooong off season convincing ourselves that our recruiting class will give us a big lift. Agree with this. The signs of progress seem to have been at least partly a mirage now. They are still playing well for 2/3rds of the game and then collapsing like they did against Syracuse and Butler two months ago and like they have in the last two weeks. Too many players disappear for long periods of time. Look at the box score after every game and see 2-3 players who simply did not produce at a level that justifies the minutes they played. That is what happens with a team filled with role players and also little depth. It is actually amazing how well Govan and MD have avoided foul trouble for much of the year. Ewing is not yet a fully developed coach—not a shock at all unless you believed that his playing resume would translate into his coaching resume. Effort is not the problem but effort alone cannot be the solution. No shooters, no depth, no chance. Part of the selling point for Ewing was that he was an NBA assistant coach for years.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 27, 2018 1:13:52 GMT -5
Need Mosely and Johnson to step it up on the offensive end next year. Too many players that can’t hit an open look. Mulmore and Dickerson aren’t shooters. I have to admit that these two players have been the most frustrating to watch this season. Even more so than Mulmore and Dickerson. Given their relative low ceiling , I have actually seen growth in both Mulmore and Dickerson as the season progressed. I honestly cannot say the same about Moseley and Johnson. I thought midsession given the improvement of Blsir and Pickett that there were good things ahead for this team when Moseley and Johnson would show likewise growth to round out this team. Alas, their play at this point is still littered with as much indecisive play and inconsistent play as their play was on day one. They just have not grown with the rest of the the players that were counted on to help this team be successful. The most egregious has been Johnson. He has actually regressed. Early in the OOC he was taking and making the open 3pt shot. Driving to the basket when they rushed out on him. Making most of his free throws. I know Patrick feels he is his best defender and needs him to start the game, but he now is the “new Nate” for this team. I cringe every time he gets the ball now, no matter where he is on the court.i appreciate the young man’s hustle on defense but he had become too much of an offensive liability to con tinge to start him. It was interesting that when the Hoyad erased a 20 point deficit and took a 10 point lead the players that were on the floor were Govan, Derrickson, Pickett, Dickerson and Blair. Somehow the Hoyss played better defense during that span with Johnson on the bench. Moseley just had been a frustrating tease the whole season. You see his limited handle but you see his willingness to drive the lane and get a basket, but then don’t see him do it again for rest of the game. You see him take an open 3pt shot and make it, then he does not take the same shot again for rest of the game. Johnson is a Junior and Moseley is s soph, yet Patrick has had to rely on two freshmen(Pickett and Blair) to gradually improve to make his his team better. Patrick and staff have done a good job coaching up this team over the season, but if there is one criticism that I have it is the same criticism I had of JTIII. It’s his penchant for sticking with the same staring five to start both halves. Clearly, as I said earlier the five players that moved the needle the most during the first half were(Govan,Derrickson, Pickett, Blair and Dickerson, yet he starts the second half with Mulmore and Johnson in the starting five.. I believe in riding the hot hand until the defense shuts that down, then going back to another five players. This promotes players playing with more intensity, because they know that, if you do not bring the necessary intensity to start a half someone else will take your place at the next half. I know it’s not who starts but who finishes, but let’s stop handicapping your offense at the start of each half. And keep posters keep repeating "It doesn't matter who starts but who finishes". Who on this board sees this team play and thinks the starting lineup does not matter? Or believes this team can overcome a slow start to get a win?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 3:16:14 GMT -5
No coach is perfect but what you're describing isn't necessarily a coaching deficiency. If this team had Markel Starks do you think we would be 4-8 in games where the score is 5 pts with 4min of play? If so why? To be honest with you, I do not know. I would lean that the team would have a better than a 4-8 record I know next year with have McClung coming and by all accounts his talent is better than what we have now. Therefore on paper the 4-8 record should improve. Though in the back of my mind I remember the fan fare that Campbell, Peak, Copeland and White came into the program with and that group produced 1 winning season in 3 years under JTIII (and yes, I remember Copeland & White left in year 2) One late rebound in games vs Cuse, Butler, and Depaul, this team is 7-5 in those games. Not fouling Bluiett on a 3pt attempt and we might be 8-4. That's not coaching. It's not talent either tbh. It's a human game and those are just human errors. More than anything that's been the reason for our record in close games. You can have the best game plan, run the most beautiful sets in the world, but at the end of the game everything works better if you have a player who can bail you out and get a bucket when everything else breaks down. We don't have one, so we have to rely on our sets to generate our offense. Woj's offense broke down at times late also, but all they would do was get the ball to one of their perimeter players and let him make a play. When our offense breaks down where do you go? Rousey's game winner wasn't a called play, he just went 1-1 vs his guy and scored. Hauser did the same on their last play in regulation. On the other side Marquette didn't even guard our perimeter players, other than Pickett, on Marcus's last shot. They had 4 guys with a foot in the paint on the last play where Marcus took that fadeaway. If he passes out and we make that shot, so be it. That's the odds they were willing to play. Not sure what JT3 has to do with this, and I haven't seen anybody comparing this class to that one. There's not many Freshman I would count on to be that guy, nor do I agree that Mac is necessarily better than those guys as a Frosh. Higher upside? Yes. Better off the bat? That remains to be seen. As it is if 4-8 is going to improve, it will be more a product of the guys that are returning being better in late game situations than one of our newcomers coming in and moving the needle imo.
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Post by dense on Feb 27, 2018 5:41:20 GMT -5
To be honest with you, I do not know. I would lean that the team would have a better than a 4-8 record I know next year with have McClung coming and by all accounts his talent is better than what we have now. Therefore on paper the 4-8 record should improve. Though in the back of my mind I remember the fan fare that Campbell, Peak, Copeland and White came into the program with and that group produced 1 winning season in 3 years under JTIII (and yes, I remember Copeland & White left in year 2) One late rebound in games vs Cuse, Butler, and Depaul, this team is 7-5 in those games. Not fouling Bluiett on a 3pt attempt and we might be 8-4. That's not coaching. It's not talent either tbh. It's a human game and those are just human errors. More than anything that's been the reason for our record in close games. You can have the best game plan, run the most beautiful sets in the world, but at the end of the game everything works better if you have a player who can bail you out and get a bucket when everything else breaks down. We don't have one, so we have to rely on our sets to generate our offense. Woj's offense broke down at times late also, but all they would do was get the ball to one of their perimeter players and let him make a play. When our offense breaks down where do you go? Rousey's game winner wasn't a called play, he just went 1-1 vs his guy and scored. Hauser did the same on their last play in regulation. On the other side Marquette didn't even guard our perimeter players, other than Pickett, on Marcus's last shot. They had 4 guys with a foot in the paint on the last play where Marcus took that fadeaway. If he passes out and we make that shot, so be it. That's the odds they were willing to play. Not sure what JT3 has to do with this, and I haven't seen anybody comparing this class to that one. There's not many Freshman I would count on to be that guy, nor do I agree that Mac is necessarily better than those guys as a Frosh. Higher upside? Yes. Better off the bat? That remains to be seen. As it is if 4-8 is going to improve, it will be more a product of the guys that are returning being better in late game situations than one of our newcomers coming in and moving the needle imo. This!!!
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 27, 2018 5:48:37 GMT -5
the step back fade away was a terrible shot. I can't imagine that's the shot they wanted. Too many wide open looks for marquette from 3. Derrickson and Govan again exposed in defending the pick and pop.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Feb 27, 2018 6:24:27 GMT -5
Every game, the opposing team gets 10+ cleaner looks than we get. The most shocking thing about the Ewing Era so far is the absolutely terrible defensive approach. Look at the contested 3 point shots that Blair generally takes — bail out 3s after 25 Seconds of scrambled eggs offense, and compare it to the wide open 3s generates by Creighton, Marquette, Villanova, Seton Hall, Butler against us. Ewing has shown himself to be a tremendous leader who gets maximum effort on both ends of the court every night. However, we are out executed on both ends of court every night, too. Maybe Pat needs to take a closer look at the asisistants. A lot of fundamentally bad basketball being played this year.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 27, 2018 6:59:26 GMT -5
Defense. Not up to the task last night. Most all of the losses come down to poor execution on the defensive end. You KNOW EWing stressed closing out on the shooters, he stressed as much publicly pregame.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 7:25:45 GMT -5
This happened - AGAIN! If anything, the late half results of Georgetown are becoming predictable--this team cannot hold a lead. Leading by 12, 43-31 with 1:37 to play stepped up Andrew Rowsey
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 7:36:14 GMT -5
Defense. Not up to the task last night. Most all of the losses come down to poor execution on the defensive end. You KNOW EWing stressed closing out on the shooters, he stressed as much publicly pregame. I agree and and offensive as well with poor decision making. For years it's always came down to decision making under five and two minutes. I've always mentioned this. Wonder how many timeouts we had left in OT or if Ewing at least used one because after Rousey's two made free throws there was .11 seconds left on the clock and with .4 seconds left Blair fired up a three pointer. I think with .11 seconds left you can rush the ball down the court for quick points. Then foul Marquette again and hope they'd miss, but I guess it all depends if they were in the double bonus. Oh well. #regress
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 27, 2018 7:44:19 GMT -5
It’s a process I am afraid and the Hoyas have to learn how to win. Another year of second half meltdowns featuring poor decisions, limited offensive options and poor defense. Obviously not ready to give up on Ewing but also see that it is a learning process for him too. Needs that one player who will take the team and will it to victory at the end of these games. It’s a combination of skill and leadership. No one has that combination right now. Hopefully the game against Nova will not be another embarrassment but as of now I believe that DePaul is playing much better than the Hoyas and it could mean this season is done next Wednesday night. Patrick is going to have to do one heck of a mind job to get this team ready for the Big East tournament. Villanova may very well blow us out again and then we either face a St. John's team on their home court or a DePaul team that beat us last time out in DC. This entire season may very well be over in 9 days. Truth. As a coach what would you tell your team? "I'd tell them look gentlemen the regular season is over but if you put in your minds a new season will start on Wednesday we can either start if off losing or playing hard, smart and having some fun. Pick one. I'd rather play hard, smart and have some fun. I believe in you. You're our future. First and foremost, let's work on our defense. Communication is the key, point communication is the key. We have to talk out there, not me always yelling out at you all to get where you need to be. Second, let's tell ourselves to take care of the ball everytime we get our hands it. There's no need to rush. Let's go out there and have some fun and enjoy the moment. You never know what can happen in the game of basketball and in all life when you try these things. Everything else is in the past. It's a brand new season. Let's make it last one moment and game at a time. It all starts right now, in practice. Let's go guys, we can do this!!!" On a positive level I have to do my best to give my team the best I have to offer. These are young people we're suppose to be teaching about life through basketball each and everyday.
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