Georgetown @ Xavier 2/3/18 Discussion

[glidehoyas (Inactive)]

Feb 3, 2018 21:19:42 GMT -5 hoyainla said:

Feb 3, 2018 20:57:23 GMT -5 This Just In said:

Who do you think would be a realistic get at PG for the program?

I don't think any of the elite PG fall out as the good ones are committed to schools with solid coaches. Obviously Quinnerly or Ramey would do but you said realistic. I think it's going to have to be a grad transfer. I don't mean settling for the guy that lost his job at SD. No use in worrying about it now without knowing who will be transferring.

If next year was a total rebuild I would say don't bother with a grad transfer but I think next years team can be good enough to sniff the tourney with a good PG.I also think next year is a huge make or break for the next few years as the talent will really fall off without MD and JG.

For years ive been saying and writing about us needing a true pg. Doesnt have to be elite either. We have McClung comung in he will should be solid at the point but we still need another true pg.

[Nevada Hoya]

Another morale victory. St. John's got a real victory; amazing that SJU does not have one BE victory (I think) and beats a top ten ACC team. These events have me shaking my head.

[drquigley]

Just got done watching recording of second half. Man I am impressed and excited. Impressed at how they seem to have used the week off to really improve their ball handling and, defense and rebounding. Impressed by how well Derrickson is playing. He has become a monster in the paint. Impressed at how well Pickett is developing. I swear 4-5 of his shots just rimmed out. Also notice how he has lowered his dribble and how much better a defender and rebounder he has become. Impressed by how confident Blair had become and how quickly he can get off his shot. Sorta a Reggie Cameron who can actually hit his 3s. Finally impressed by Mosley. I would bet that next year he is the guard we keep hoping to recruit. And I'm excited because I think these guys can now play with anyone in the league not from Philly.

[beenaround]

Very disappointed to lose , but honestly, I thought the Hoyas played a great game for the most part. Xavier played very well, in my opionion, and won on a miracle four point play at home. We were able to feed our big guys for easy shots and also made some threes. Outside of a handful of breakdowns, we generally had hands in faces of Xavier guys..who made good shots. If Pickett's shots didnt keep rimming out near the end, we win.

Obviously, these close games seem to come down to guard play, and we are just too weak in that area. I do think Blair has real potential as a legit instant offense guy off the bench. I do not see him as a starter on a strong team, because he is not a point guard...a poor passer, IMO, and not the greatest ball handler either...and too small for a real two guard. He has no fear...which was unfortunate when he forced that final shot with several players open. Jagen is solid...but just won't or can't shoot outside..again a huge problem. I know noone will agree with me, but I would much rather see Dickerson for 12-15 minutes a game than Mulmore. He literally does nothing offensively..Dickerson at least is very fast with the ball, and can drive and dish. He is the only guard we have who can really create. Of course, he is flawed..he almost never finishes at the rim and can't defend or shoot.

Oh well...I remain optimistic...we have improved greatly and are doing as well as can be expected without a legit starting guard.

[tashoya]

Feb 3, 2018 23:18:16 GMT -5 wisconsinhoya said:

Feb 3, 2018 21:33:47 GMT -5 JohnnyJones said:

Where are we worried about them going? Europe?

L.J. Peak proved last year that players will leave Georgetown early even though they have virtually no chance of getting drafted or playing in the NBA.

True. But, to be fair, LJ's situation helped to dictate his decision. Between his own family situation and the coaching turnover, I'd have been shocked if he were back this year and I'd be worried whether he made the right decision for himself had he stayed.

[tashoya]

Feb 3, 2018 21:55:57 GMT -5 mdtd said:

How could people call for Ewing's job after going to OT against the #6 team in the country on the road? Or even in general? This is his first year and he's doing a great job of recruiting and getting this program back to where we should be at. He has players putting all of their effort into the team compared to JT3 having multiple people question his teams' effort. He has a system and developed players well to this point. Let him coach for some time before even thinking about this.

I saw earlier parts of the thread talking about what would people think of Ewing's coaching career at Georgetown if what he's done in his limited time became a 3 year trend (why you'd jump to that, I have no clue) but I didn't see people calling for his job. Admittedly, I didn't read every post. But, if people are calling for his job, the answer is as simple as you think it is. They're not realistic, incredibly impatient, off their meds, or just plain stupid.

[tashoya]

Feb 3, 2018 22:36:07 GMT -5 vv83 said:

Feb 3, 2018 21:51:20 GMT -5 dense said:

I dont agree with you on alot but THIS, we agree on.

The minutes we have to give Mulmore and Dickerson are just killers. They both played far better than usual tonight - until Mulmore came into the game in OT and started shoving every player who got near him! Dickerson actually did some nice stuff tonight, but he was still good for one terrible fast break pass thrown off the backboard. We have had some rough guard play at times over the years, but we have never been forced to play two guys this bad this many minutes. I don't think I'll ever trust a grad transfer/JC point guard again, these two guys have left a lasting impression.

Ewing has been shifting more minutes to Mosely/Blair - but he probably should push even further and get another 10 minutes or so a game out of Blair/Mosely at the expense of Mulmore/Dickerson. Mulmore/Dickerson gave us 40 minutes and THREE points tonight. They did have a good 8/2 TO/Asst ratio, but were just 1-5 shooting. And this was one of their best combined games of the year. It's great that they kept the turnovers down, but it is tough to get just 3 points out of one of your 5 lineup slots, especially in a fairly high scoring game.

They play because they have to. Give them credit in the sense that, at this level, neither should be option 1 but each guy tries to be because they have no choice. Keep in mind, Mulmore also got hosed a bit on the "push" calling. He had plenty of company tonight. X is very good at pushing from behind before the jump for the board and not getting called for it because, apparently, the refs are ball watching.

[tashoya]

Feb 3, 2018 21:03:53 GMT -5 hoyazeke said:

Truly this game was lost on one possession.....X misses a shot, Marko(freshman) tries to dribble out of traffic, Trevon(senior) steals ball, X calls timeout, Trevon(senior) hits 3, Jagan(sophomore) fouls 3 point shooter, and lastly Trevon(senior) completes 4pt play sending the game to OT. I believe even a sophomore Marko grabs that rebound and practically seals the game.........frustratingly close to our biggest win in the Ewing era....

I'd add the final possession of regulation when the best player on the team didn't even get a touch.

[iowa80]

Wouldn't it have been nice to see previous Hoya teams with more talent expend this type of effort and show this kind of improvement throughout the season? At least we're not getting .50 on the dollar in coaching (so shoot me for that comparison). Thanks players for working hard and thanks PE. The wins will come.

[hoyaatheart55]

Feb 3, 2018 23:09:03 GMT -5 glidehoyas (Inactive) said:

Feb 3, 2018 19:48:22 GMT -5 hoyaatheart55 said:

I want to take the time to say that I love watching this team. I’ve never been this excited to watch a losing (in conference at least) sports team in my life. Second straight game that we’re giving a great team a big test in their house. I love the direction we’re heading in with Pat.

If Derrickson and Govan stay for next year like they should, and we maybe land another quality guard...we could have something.

So true. We have McClung.

I’m fired up for Mac McClung man. He’s a human highlight reel.

[tashoya]

Feb 3, 2018 21:28:36 GMT -5 This Just In said:

Feb 3, 2018 21:21:34 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Yo....did you actually think the winning season was going to happen THIS season? Good Grief.

That is not what I said.
I said 3 straight years of losing in the BE and 5 straight years for the program overall, meaning by year 3 Ewing needs to at least be at (.500) to show that the program is moving in the right direction.

Why would you assume 3 seasons of what you've seen so far? He's already got a team that was picked for the bottom of the BE competing. They've lost some close games as many teams do that are incredibly dependent on their young guys maturing quickly. He hasn't even had a full year to recruit but you're wondering what happens if he has 3 losing seasons? Have at it but it's an odd road to go down at this point.

What would happen if any unproven coach came into a full rebuild and didn't have winning BE records for 3 years at Georgetown? He'd probably still have a job but he'd be feeling a little heat. But he'd also not be named Patrick f'ing Ewing. To each his own and I get being down about the past few years. But you're wondering what happens if the most storied player in Georgetown history, an NBA Hall of Famer and a 15 year NBA assistant coach that is having a rough first year of a rebuild as HC continues a pattern that has yet to even be established with a team that he didn't have a chance assemble on his own? Jesus. If it rains for the next three days, what happens if it rains for the next three months? What will we think of the weather then?

[beenaround]

These hypotheticals about Ewing in three years are not worth a response. Like the team, I think PE is improving game by game. However, It is way to early to judge his peformance as a coach. PERIOD.

[the_way]

Feb 3, 2018 20:45:42 GMT -5 calhoya said:

I guess I will cop to being a jerk then but at some point moral victories are not enough.This team has no business collapsing at the end of these games. They fought hard, played well and put themselves in a position to win. The kids and the coach deserve credit for that, but it is no different than making a great drive to the basket and not finishing. This is not about talent, this is about composure. They may not be the most talented team on the floor but they have enough talent to make some plays. It would be different if the losses were the result of a fabulous play by the other team rather than mistakes by the Hoyas. My expectations for these kids in February are higher than a month ago and tonight they showed that they are capable and developing into a much improved team.

We'll the past 2 years were losing seasons.

And now we have this season.

So who on this roster knows how to play under pressure and keep their composure against good teams on the road and close out games for wins?

Right.

They are learning now. And the ease of that learning process for players is often times dependent on the surrounding talent (or lack thereof).

We are getting there. A month ago, this game is another 30+ point blowout.

There is progress.

[tashoya]

Feb 4, 2018 0:39:05 GMT -5 beenaround said:

These hypotheticals about Ewing in three years are not worth a response. Like the team, I think PE is improving game by game. However, It is way to early to judge his peformance as a coach. PERIOD.

Please disregard my posts and just read this one.

[MCIGuy]

I like to know if any of the people over the last couple of months who have been complaining about frustrations regarding Ewing were also among those who had given III pretty much a pass of wasting high NCAA tourney seeds for roughly four or five straight years. I would also want to know if those same folks then either kept quiet or preached patience when III's teams failed to get into the NCAA tourney for three of his last four years, including two horrible back-to-back losing seasons, which immediately followed those four/five years of wasting high seeds. If you were one of those individuals then your opinion is pretty much forfeit and your double standard against Ewing is maddening.

Also this very board for months leading into the season were extremely down on the roster and the team's chances of doing anything in the Big East. Quite a few had great doubts about Ewing too based upon his scheduling (somewhat understandable), the question marks of the type of style the team was going to play (I understood that frustration somewhat), his lack of college coaching experience (yeah...okay) and because you were convinced the program didn't attempt a wide enough search for the next head coach to follow III in the first place (let it go already). There were those who back in September and October were pretty much dismissive of Govan and Dickerson as upperclassmen who could go toe-to-toe with Big East opponents. There were people just a few games ago who were loud about how this team didn't have Big East level talent on the perimeter; who felt Pickett and Blair would be lucky to get minutes starting next season when "better" players joined the roster; who mentally had given up on this team after the Villanova debacle. Anyone who felt that way and now are mad because they think as a fan they were entitled to a win by those same dismissed Hoyas on the road against a team with legitimate championship aspirations, your opinions are forfeit as well. Wait. Let me explain. You can obviously have those opinions considering this is a free country and all. But the rest of us don't have to take them seriously.

Ewing is making strides considering this is his first head coach gig. The players are making strides, not only game-to-game but sometimes DURING games. The only thing the team has yet to show true improvement on is closing out games when they have the late lead against teams no one expected them to beat. There is still a ton of work to be done but we as fans should acknowledge there have been real growth that we've witnessed. Most impressively this team has real fight in them, they are not quitters. Maybe with one lone exception they coaches and players don't quit in games and haven't yet quit on the season.

Oh, and that Pickett is the best prospect this program has seen in a long time. His potential is spooky. Spooky good.

[MCIGuy]

In retrospect that three pointer by Bluiett to end the first half was huge for Xavier.

[kbones17]

Had to work to tonight so watched the game on tape. It’s quite calming to already know the outcome.

Overall I was very impressed with how we played tonight. Blueitt hits some threes, Xavier flopped around a bit and got some calls at home, and we kept fighting. Yes, the four point play and the last offensive possession were bad, but this game was much different than the Butler and Syracuse collapses in my opinion.

Pickett was great. Protected the ball, generally took the right shots.

Back to the last possessions: we need to stop overthinking this and just give the ball to Derrickson.

[MCIGuy]

Feb 3, 2018 23:18:16 GMT -5 wisconsinhoya said:

Feb 3, 2018 21:33:47 GMT -5 JohnnyJones said:

Where are we worried about them going? Europe?

L.J. Peak proved last year that players will leave Georgetown early even though they have virtually no chance of getting drafted or playing in the NBA.

Gtown players have proven they would do that long before LJ. Nonetheless LJ perhaps did not want to return to a losing program that was in turmoil. He also had a young son who was born during LJ's frosh season I believe. Most of all LJ did have a legit chance of playing in the NBA based upon feedback he was getting. He simply had no chanced of being a first round pick.

One major thing that separates Gtown the past few seasons from Villanova, Xavier, Butler, Creighton, Seton Hall and Providence is the inability to hold on to quality guys for all four years. Combined those listed teams lostonly a handful of guys to the first round of the NBA draft but managed collectively to hold on to players who would end up being strong upperclassmen their final two years. They also weren't losing key guys via transfers the way the Hoyas did with Paul White and Copeland. And, yeah, I'll admit they weren't losing many LJ Peaks who would leave school early without much more of a guarantee to make an NBA roster. So maybe the Hoyas are due to finally hold on to pieces. No more what ifs such as what if Jeff have stayed, what if Greg had stayed, what if Hollis had stayed, what if Otto had stayed, what if LJ had stayed, etc. Perhaps for the first time in an eternity the Hoyas will see the return of its two leading scorers next season out, something the elite teams of this new Big East have benefited from repeatedly. Just maybe Govan and Derrickson will see that LJ didn't make an NBA roster and think to themselves they would rather come back for their senior season instead.

[calhoya]

Feb 4, 2018 4:23:49 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Feb 3, 2018 23:18:16 GMT -5 wisconsinhoya said:

L.J. Peak proved last year that players will leave Georgetown early even though they have virtually no chance of getting drafted or playing in the NBA.

Gtown players have proven they would do that long before LJ. Nonetheless LJ perhaps did not want to return to a losing program that was in turmoil. He also had a young son who was born during LJ's frosh season I believe. Most of all LJ did have a legit chance of playing in the NBA based upon feedback he was getting. He simply had no chanced of being a first round pick.

One major thing that separates Gtown the past few seasons from Villanova, Xavier, Butler, Creighton, Seton Hall and Providence is the inability to hold on to quality guys for all four years. Combined those listed teams lostonly a handful of guys to the first round of the NBA draft but managed collectively to hold on to players who would end up being strong upperclassmen their final two years. They also weren't losing key guys via transfers the way the Hoyas did with Paul White and Copeland. And, yeah, I'll admit they weren't losing many LJ Peaks who would leave school early without much more of a guarantee to make an NBA roster. So maybe the Hoyas are due to finally hold on to pieces. No more what ifs such as what if Jeff have stayed, what if Greg had stayed, what if Hollis had stayed, what if Otto had stayed, what if LJ had stayed, etc. Perhaps for the first time in an eternity the Hoyas will see the return of its two leading scorers next season out, something the elite teams of this new Big East have benefited from repeatedly. Just maybe Govan and Derrickson will see that LJ didn't make an NBA roster and think to themselves they would rather come back for their senior season instead.

Hope you are right because both would benefit from another year in college. Of course the new reality also involves graduate transfers who become immediately eligible to play elsewhere. Without knowing where these kids stand in terms of graduation, it is unfair to speculate, but the next month is critical to show the type of progress that might attract a quality graduate transfer who can slot right in as a combo guard or post and to keep all the pieces they have now.

[x-centercourt400s]

Nothing to say but that was a fantastic effort and playing like that in the future will get you a lot of wins. Hold your heads up guys.