vv83
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Post by vv83 on Feb 3, 2018 20:50:26 GMT -5
At the end of the game, it’s hard for any team to get good looks, but the difference is we can’t put the ball in a guards hands who can create something or get fouled. That’s basically all X did later. This is the key point. In all these games that go down to the wire, we have nobody who can do anything off the dribble. Mack is a good coach - he knew to blitz our guards on the last regulation possession. Guards who could create would have attacked off that pressure to try to create a good look. Our guards just look to escape the pressure and keep the play alive. So our offense is completely disrupted, and we end up forcing a prayer at the buzzer. Nothing will change until we get guys who can create on their own. Maybe McClung can be that kind of guy. But nobody else currently scheduled to be on the roster next year is, Plus McClung will be a frosh moving way, way up the ladder in terms of the level of talent he is playing against. I would expect us to lose a lot more games like this for the next couple of years, until we get guards/wings that can create their own shots at a BE level.. |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 3, 2018 20:51:02 GMT -5
Wondering what Ewing said in the huddle with .26 left? Should've told Dickerson to attack or get the ball to Marcus inside. If Marcus didn't have a shot to kick it back out. Smh
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Post by saxagael on Feb 3, 2018 20:51:11 GMT -5
Amazed Derrickson didn't foul out as he was facing a lot of very physical play. His 15 rebounds was really nice, particularly with an off night of 19 points.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 3, 2018 20:51:32 GMT -5
Yeah, lets put this in a little context people. We took the #6 team in the nation into OT on the road. There has been clear, undeniable improvement over the course of the season from both individual players and the team as a whole. Did we blow a chance for a great win? Absolutely. Frustrating? Sure. But with a few more pieces and continued development from our underclassmen, is this a competitive team next year? Does anyone out there still say no? Next year? the team is being highly competitive now. The question is whether it will be a winning team. Bring everyone back and there is no reason why the Hoyas can't be near the top of the conference. And no one may have thought just a few weeks ago after three straight blowout defeats. |
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 3, 2018 20:51:36 GMT -5
I hope our play is encouraging some of the guys we are recruiting. Perhaps they could think, hey I can make a difference there. The team is improving. There is more cohesion, and less mental mistakes...but there are mental mistakes. They are playing better than most would anticipate. Go hoyas. Bad, but improving as a team.
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Feb 3, 2018 20:52:24 GMT -5
My concern is that these close but no cigar losses eventually hurt the players moral. The BE is tough, and lends itself to blow out losses on the road than close games. As a team if you keep making mental mistake after mental mistake to give the game away then you dont deserve to win. These late game performance is going to define Ewing's career. He is either going to be remembered as a Coach Esherick for these late game melt downs or help get the team over the hump and be remembered more of a JTIII Yes, Ewing's legacy is going to be defined by how he does in year one, and we've already ranged him as not as good as JTIII. This makes sense. Or... a team without solid guards is going to have trouble keeping leads even if it succeeds in getting them, so we'll have to wait to see how Ewing recruits and coaches in subsequent years before drawing major conclusions. |
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 3, 2018 20:52:43 GMT -5
Free throw disparity killed us.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 3, 2018 20:54:24 GMT -5
My concern is that these close but no cigar losses eventually hurt the players moral. The BE is tough, and lends itself to blow out losses on the road than close games. As a team if you keep making mental mistake after mental mistake to give the game away then you dont deserve to win. These late game performance is going to define Ewing's career. He is either going to be remembered as a Coach Esherick for these late game melt downs or help get the team over the hump and be remembered more of a JTIII B-S!!! |
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 3, 2018 20:54:32 GMT -5
My concern is that these close but no cigar losses eventually hurt the players moral. The BE is tough, and lends itself to blow out losses on the road than close games. As a team if you keep making mental mistake after mental mistake to give the game away then you dont deserve to win. These late game performance is going to define Ewing's career. He is either going to be remembered as a Coach Esherick for these late game melt downs or help get the team over the hump and be remembered more of a JTIII He’s coached what 20 games? Way too early to talk about career-defining anything. |
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Feb 3, 2018 20:54:35 GMT -5
I guess I will cop to being a jerk then but at some point moral victories are not enough.This team has no business collapsing at the end of these games. They fought hard, played well and put themselves in a position to win. The kids and the coach deserve credit for that, but it is no different than making a great drive to the basket and not finishing. This is not about talent, this is about composure. They may not be the most talented team on the floor but they have enough talent to make some plays. It would be different if the losses were the result of a fabulous play by the other team rather than mistakes by the Hoyas. My expectations for these kids in February are higher than a month ago and tonight they showed that they are capable and developing into a much improved team. Right there with you... It is the constant dejavu... Like losing in the 1st or 2nd rd of the NCCAT Blowing these games is not a one time a occurrence but a constant reoccurrence This is a problem that needs to be addressed by the coaching staff. |
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Post by saxagael on Feb 3, 2018 20:55:51 GMT -5
My concern is that these close but no cigar losses eventually hurt the players moral. The BE is tough, and lends itself to blow out losses on the road than close games. As a team if you keep making mental mistake after mental mistake to give the game away then you dont deserve to win. These late game performance is going to define Ewing's career. He is either going to be remembered as a Coach Esherick for these late game melt downs or help get the team over the hump and be remembered more of a JTIII I've been worried about this all season. Patrick seems to be doing a really good job on this front. Tonight's game was a show of this, with coming in against a #6 ranked team and play with them tight by fixing a lot of their long list of things they need to improve. They came to play. They played tough, much smarter ball, and a win against a ranked team is within reach. Patrick seems to be able to not only keep players motivated but take them up levels. Hoping it keeps going. I still have my worries too. |
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Post by This Just In on Feb 3, 2018 20:57:23 GMT -5
But with a few more pieces and continued development from our underclassmen, is this a competitive team next year? Does anyone out there still say no? The key as it has been for years is to get a true PG. if the team stays as is without a GOOD recruit or grad transfer PG it will be a waste of Govan and Derrickson and what should be an improved Pickett and Blair. Who do you think would be a realistic get at PG for the program? |
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 3, 2018 20:58:53 GMT -5
I guess I will cop to being a jerk then but at some point moral victories are not enough.This team has no business collapsing at the end of these games. They fought hard, played well and put themselves in a position to win. The kids and the coach deserve credit for that, but it is no different than making a great drive to the basket and not finishing. This is not about talent, this is about composure. They may not be the most talented team on the floor but they have enough talent to make some plays. It would be different if the losses were the result of a fabulous play by the other team rather than mistakes by the Hoyas. My expectations for these kids in February are higher than a month ago and tonight they showed that they are capable and developing into a much improved team. Right there with you... It is the constant dejavu... Like losing in the 1st or 2nd rd of the NCCAT Blowing these games is not a one time a occurrence but a constant reoccurrence This is a problem that needs to be addressed by the coaching staff. This needs to be addressed by experience and better on the court decision-making by players. And on the court leadership, we are developing but we are there yet! |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 3, 2018 20:59:40 GMT -5
In a game that was not expected to be close and blowout could be easily head, the Hoyas showed they listen, learn, coaches have pointed out problems, players making great strides on issues that often take months or more than a year to turn the corner, these Hoyas showed they have guts, can play with greatly improved IQ, curb turn overs, play the boards well, and improve defense. DePaul plays with guts, too. Where does that get them? Another Wednesday game in the Big East tournament, that's what. The guard play on this team is as bad as it's been in the last 50 years and there seems little or no improvement. (Bring in Hines, he can't be any worse at this point.) We all know we had a crap sandwich in the backcourt this year. We actually went out and got South Dakota State's sixth man because we were that desperate. But the guards that matter are Blair and Mosely. They went for 25-7-4 against 4 turnovers. No they can't play defense...yet. But to say there's "little to no improvement" isn't negative, it's just inaccurate. We need more guards and primary ball-handlers, but our young guards are far from hopeless. |
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Post by aggypryd on Feb 3, 2018 20:59:43 GMT -5
Who else was sitting around waiting for the Hoyas to find a way to lose another close game?
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Post by saxagael on Feb 3, 2018 21:00:40 GMT -5
Free throw disparity killed us. X-men getting to the line 42 times to 17 times for Hoyas is crazy. X-men "sold" a lot of fouls where they weren't touched. The refs not understanding what a charge is was crazy (if we don't get two charges need to pull the plug or ease up). Hoyas hit 82% the stripe and X-men 75%, but that difference at looks from the line is crazy. |
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 3, 2018 21:03:53 GMT -5
Truly this game was lost on one possession.....X misses a shot, Marko(freshman) tries to dribble out of traffic, Trevon(senior) steals ball, X calls timeout, Trevon(senior) hits 3, Jagan(sophomore) fouls 3 point shooter, and lastly Trevon(senior) completes 4pt play sending the game to OT. I believe even a sophomore Marko grabs that rebound and practically seals the game.........frustratingly close to our biggest win in the Ewing era....  |
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 3, 2018 21:04:41 GMT -5
Who else was sitting around waiting for the Hoyas to find a way to lose another close game? Would you have rather watched a blowout? We were in the game the whole way thru even with Xavier playing well, I was hoping we’d find a way to win, not waiting for us to lose. WhyTF even watch the game then? |
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 3, 2018 21:05:07 GMT -5
At the end of the game, it’s hard for any team to get good looks, but the difference is we can’t put the ball in a guards hands who can create something or get fouled. That’s basically all X did later. This is the key point. In all these games that go down to the wire, we have nobody who can do anything off the dribble. Mack is a good coach - he knew to blitz our guards on the last regulation possession. Guards who could create would have attacked off that pressure to try to create a good look. Our guards just look to escape the pressure and keep the play alive. So our offense is completely disrupted, and we end up forcing a prayer at the buzzer. Nothing will change until we get guys who can create on their own. Maybe McClung can be that kind of guy. But nobody else currently scheduled to be on the roster next year is, Plus McClung will be a frosh moving way, way up the ladder in terms of the level of talent he is playing against. I would expect us to lose a lot more games like this for the next couple of years, until we get guards/wings that can create their own shots at a BE level.. Yeah, people will say we didn’t run a good play at the end, but a play is just a look that is there or not there. If it’s not there, we are basically screwed. |
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Post by This Just In on Feb 3, 2018 21:07:48 GMT -5
In a game that was not expected to be close and blowout could be easily head, the Hoyas showed they listen, learn, coaches have pointed out problems, players making great strides on issues that often take months or more than a year to turn the corner, these Hoyas showed they have guts, can play with greatly improved IQ, curb turn overs, play the boards well, and improve defense. DePaul plays with guts, too. Where does that get them? Another Wednesday game in the Big East tournament, that's what. The guard play on this team is as bad as it's been in the last 50 years and there seems little or no improvement. (Bring in Hines, he can't be any worse at this point.) I agree with you on the statement with DePaul plays with guts too and his gotten as a constant bottom of the barrel team in the BE. The guard play tonight was good up until about 30 seconds left in regulation and OT. |
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