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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 20:30:05 GMT -5
I know this isn't the right place. But my goodness the entirety of the $hitshow we see on the court right now falls squarely on JTIII. What did this man see in the players he recruited? How he single-handedly managed to take the program from where it was (top 10 for 7 straight years) to this is utterly baffling.. We are looking at a 3-4 year rebuild because Reid was too much of a pu$$y to fire him about 5 years ago. The fact that the 2015 class of freshmen flamed out really killed us, especially considering how good we all thought they would be. They were great on paper. Glad Peak worked out. The killer is when white a true leader went down with his injury. |
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 17, 2018 20:31:04 GMT -5
You can't look at it like that. This was expected. This year was a wash. Everybody knows this. You have the hand that you are dealt and compete as hard as you can. That is what we've done. Sometimes you are going to have ugly losses. Probably a few more down the road. Thinking back, Esh left us in better shape after he was fired than III did. Bullsh*t blame the brotha yall fired him you couldn't wait for Waters lol gtfoh At the end of the day, III struggled with roster balance his entire coaching tenure either as a result simply not recruiting the right players, being unable to develop the guys he had, not recruiting over certain guys or ensuring there was a backup for that position on the roster. It shouldn't have taken him as long as it did to know that we needed a PG. Maybe if he'd recruited one a year or 2 earlier, we would have had more success and he'd still have a job. He didn't get it done, kids were transferring out, and recruits weren't really lining up the play here. Whether you think III should've gotten fired or not, I'm not sure this roster plus Waters, minus Blair, Pickett, and the improvements in Derrickson and Govan is any better. We got waxed by Nova last year with Peak and Pryor who combined would give us more than a frosh Waters and that's just a fact. Back on ignore for glide. |
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Post by This Just In on Jan 17, 2018 20:34:08 GMT -5
In these 30 plus doors blown off losses there is enough blame to go around between JTIII and Ewing.
As does this team have a lot of talent, no.
Should this team be getting beaten by 30 plus points; 2x at home during the 1st part of the BE schedule, no.
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Post by hoyalaw33 on Jan 17, 2018 20:34:50 GMT -5
@glide. This whole roster is on the shoulders of JTIII. Except if he stayed we prolly lose Derrickson and Govan to transfer and we have maybe 100 fans in the building. Damn I am heated at tonight's showing. I vastly underappreciated the Jason Clarks, Markel Starks, Jessie Sapps, and Jabril Trawicks of the past. Mulmore and Dickerson are a literal disgrace to the history of the program when they pull on the uniform that is how bad they are at basketball.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Jan 17, 2018 20:35:01 GMT -5
Villanova only shot 43.4% against St. John's; they're about 20 percentage points higher tonight. I take that info as Mullin game planned better to stop them. So when Butler shot lights out from three against Nova, but not us, it's because Ewing game planned better than Wright? Is that what you are saying? hm |
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Post by the_way on Jan 17, 2018 20:35:22 GMT -5
In these 30 plus doors blown off losses there is enough blame to go around between JTIII and Ewing. As does this team have a lot of talent, no. Should this team be getting beaten by 30 plus points; 2x at home during the 1st part of the BE schedule, no. Why not? Just because? |
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 17, 2018 20:37:02 GMT -5
I know this isn't the right place. But my goodness the entirety of the $hitshow we see on the court right now falls squarely on JTIII. What did this man see in the players he recruited? How he single-handedly managed to take the program from where it was (top 10 for 7 straight years) to this is utterly baffling.. We are looking at a 3-4 year rebuild because Reid was too much of a pu$$y to fire him about 5 years ago. That is bull$hit. JT3 coached Princeton teams with far less talent than was on display here---unless you think Nate Walton is better than Jesse Govan or Marcus Derrickson--- were way more competitive against top 10 teams like Maryland, North Carolina, Kansas, etc. during his tenure there than we have been against Creighton or Nova. If you want to criticize Reid, it should be for allowing the farce of a coaching search that took place last spring, and for being bullied into firing JT3. Your post conveniently left out that JT3 took the program from the urinal to the top 10 for 7 straight years. Time will tell whether Ewing will ever bring the program back to those heights of the JT3 era. You may want to refresh your recollection of the team that JT3 inherited, and the similar abysmal pre-conference schedule coached by another former player whose last name began with the letter E. It was the last team that was as non-competitive as this team, which will end this season with zero quality wins. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_Georgetown_Hoyas_men%27s_basketball_teamTired of reading vacuous tweets from Jeff Van Gundy's old beat reporting buddies "fluffing" Patrick Ewing as being a "hell of a coach" because "kids are playing hard." Playing hard should be expected. Jury still out on whether Ewing can coach or not. Lack of execution, poor decision making, lack of any discernable half court offense, lack of accountability for repeated mistakes is all on the coaching staff. Every March we see well coached teams with less talent than Georgetown compete in the NCAA tournament. The team has gone back to the future. But the future may not be what you think. Right now the future looks like a continuation of the Esherick era. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 17, 2018 20:37:22 GMT -5
Over the last 14:59, we outscored Nova 34-28. I prefer to look at that, totally meaningless though it may be, and ignore the rest of the game. I will just say that it's nice to have a bunch of players who can make shots on your team.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jan 17, 2018 20:38:35 GMT -5
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 17, 2018 20:38:38 GMT -5
I know this isn't the right place. But my goodness the entirety of the $hitshow we see on the court right now falls squarely on JTIII. What did this man see in the players he recruited? How he single-handedly managed to take the program from where it was (top 10 for 7 straight years) to this is utterly baffling.. We are looking at a 3-4 year rebuild because Reid was too much of a pu$$y to fire him about 5 years ago. That is bull$hit. JT3 coached Princeton teams with far less talent than was on display here---unless you think Nate Walton is better than Jesse Govan or Marcus Derrickson--- were way more competitive against top 10 teams like Maryland, North Carolina, Kansas, etc. during his tenure there than we have been against Creighton or Nova. If you want to criticize Reid, it should be for allowing the farce of a coaching search that took place last spring, and for being bullied into firing JT3. Your post conveniently left out that JT3 took the program from the urinal to the top 10 for 7 straight years. Time will tell whether Ewing will ever bring the program back to those heights of the JT3 era. You may want to refresh your recollection of the team that JT3 inherited, and the similar abysmal pre-conference schedule coached by another former player whose last name began with the letter E. It was the last team that was as non-competitive as this team, which will end this season with zero quality wins. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_Georgetown_Hoyas_men%27s_basketball_teamTired of reading vacuous tweets from Jeff Van Gundy's old beat reporting buddies "fluffing" Patrick Ewing as being a "hell of a coach" because "kids are playing hard." Playing hard should be expected. Jury still out on whether Ewing can coach or not. Lack of execution, poor decision making, lack of any discernable half court offense, lack of accountability for repeated mistakes is all on the coaching staff. Every March we see well coached teams with less talent than Georgetown compete in the NCAA tournament. The team has gone back to the future. But the future may not be what you think. |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 20:38:52 GMT -5
@glide. This whole roster is on the shoulders of JTIII. Except if he stayed we prolly lose Derrickson and Govan to transfer and we have maybe 100 fans in the building. Damn I am heated at tonight's showing. I vastly underappreciated the Jason Clarks, Markel Starks, Jessie Sapps, and Jabril Trawicks of the past. Mulmore and Dickerson are a literal disgrace to the history of the program when they pull on the uniform that is how bad they are at basketball. Guilt lol |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 20:39:47 GMT -5
That is bull$hit. JT3 coached Princeton teams with far less talent than was on display here---unless you think Nate Walton is better than Jesse Govan or Marcus Derrickson--- were way more competitive against top 10 teams like Maryland, North Carolina, Kansas, etc. during his tenure there than we have been against Creighton or Nova. If you want to criticize Reid, it should be for allowing the farce of a coaching search that took place last spring, and for being bullied into firing JT3. Your post conveniently left out that JT3 took the program from the urinal to the top 10 for 7 straight years. Time will tell whether Ewing will ever bring the program back to those heights of the JT3 era. You may want to refresh your recollection of the team that JT3 inherited, and the similar abysmal pre-conference schedule coached by another former player whose last name began with the letter E. It was the last team that was as non-competitive as this team, which will end this season with zero quality wins. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_Georgetown_Hoyas_men%27s_basketball_teamTired of reading vacuous tweets from Jeff Van Gundy's old beat reporting buddies "fluffing" Patrick Ewing as being a "hell of a coach" because "kids are playing hard." Playing hard should be expected. Jury still out on whether Ewing can coach or not. Lack of execution, poor decision making, lack of any discernable half court offense, lack of accountability for repeated mistakes is all on the coaching staff. Every March we see well coached teams with less talent than Georgetown compete in the NCAA tournament. The team has gone back to the future. But the future may not be what you think. Preach!!! |
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Post by This Just In on Jan 17, 2018 20:39:50 GMT -5
I take that info as Mullin game planned better to stop them. So when Butler shot lights out from three against Nova, but not us, it's because Ewing game planned better than Wright? Is that what you are saying? hm Which games are you referring too? |
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 17, 2018 20:40:30 GMT -5
@glide. This whole roster is on the shoulders of JTIII. Except if he stayed we prolly lose Derrickson and Govan to transfer and we have maybe 100 fans in the building. Damn I am heated at tonight's showing. I vastly underappreciated the Jason Clarks, Markel Starks, Jessie Sapps, and Jabril Trawicks of the past. Mulmore and Dickerson are a literal disgrace to the history of the program when they pull on the uniform that is how bad they are at basketball. Dickerson is not a JT3 recruit.. |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 20:41:08 GMT -5
@glide. This whole roster is on the shoulders of JTIII. Except if he stayed we prolly lose Derrickson and Govan to transfer and we have maybe 100 fans in the building. Damn I am heated at tonight's showing. I vastly underappreciated the Jason Clarks, Markel Starks, Jessie Sapps, and Jabril Trawicks of the past. Mulmore and Dickerson are a literal disgrace to the history of the program when they pull on the uniform that is how bad they are at basketball. Wrong and stick to law bro. |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 17, 2018 20:43:45 GMT -5
Our goal needs to be four guards; two elite point guards next season. We need two more along with Mac.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 20:44:09 GMT -5
Bullsh*t blame the brotha yall fired him you couldn't wait for Waters lol gtfoh At the end of the day, III struggled with roster balance his entire coaching tenure either as a result simply not recruiting the right players, being unable to develop the guys he had, not recruiting over certain guys or ensuring there was a backup for that position on the roster. It shouldn't have taken him as long as it did to know that we needed a PG. Maybe if he'd recruited one a year or 2 earlier, we would have had more success and he'd still have a job. He didn't get it done, kids were transferring out, and recruits weren't really lining up the play here. Whether you think III should've gotten fired or not, I'm not sure this roster plus Waters, minus Blair, Pickett, and the improvements in Derrickson and Govan is any better. We got waxed by Nova last year with Peak and Pryor who combined would give us more than a frosh Waters and that's just a fact. Back on ignore for glide. Wrong...didn't we go to the Final Four... Didn't JT3 have a winning record. Didn't Jt3 finally figure out what wrong and fixed it by getting what he needed, a floor general. But you all ran he and Waters away? The truth hurts. I don't care if these fools put me on ignore because you and they know I'm Wright. LOL.. Chris Wright, get it? I just threw JT3 and Waters in there to see what you all would say and I see it worked lol.. Peaceeee... |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 20:44:56 GMT -5
Our goal needs to be four guards; two elite point guards next season. We need two more along with Mac. Now, you know got that from me, but let you tell it it's something different. It finally took you seeing Villanova to see this? Well, better late than never. I agree... Go Hoyas! |
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Post by bamahoya11 on Jan 17, 2018 20:45:49 GMT -5
This was just an ugly, ugly night. It was an embarrassing loss because of how quickly we were taken out of the game. I'll admit that, even with our limitations, I would like to see a more competitive game against better competition for longer. As the season goes on, we start to make many of the same mistakes when our opponents get ahead. We run too fast and turn it over and then settle for bad shots instead of pushing it inside.
That said, we are clearly nowhere close to Villanova in terms of capability at this point. We weren't going to win that game. Even so, I would like to see more toughness and pride going forward even if a game has gotten out of hand.
I don't want to make any bold pronouncements about this team, this coach, or any of our prior coaches from this game. It was a terrible night and a sign of how much work we have to do. I hope Ewing can turn this ship around.
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Post by saxagael on Jan 17, 2018 20:46:22 GMT -5
@glide. This whole roster is on the shoulders of JTIII. Except if he stayed we prolly lose Derrickson and Govan to transfer and we have maybe 100 fans in the building. Damn I am heated at tonight's showing. I vastly underappreciated the Jason Clarks, Markel Starks, Jessie Sapps, and Jabril Trawicks of the past. Mulmore and Dickerson are a literal disgrace to the history of the program when they pull on the uniform that is how bad they are at basketball. Dickerson is not a JT3 recruit.. And Dickerson is a one year fill in the bench player. He wasn't seen as as a Pryor who could start and help lead the team. He was a late fill-in. Not exactly someone long recruited. It is amazing how often Patrick is in local high school gyms watching players in games and chatting. I don't know the last time a Gtown head coach has been out watching and talking in the local community as much as Patrick has been. I would see Ronnie Thompson quite a bit, but his kid was playing, but never JTIII. |
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