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Post by sweetness on Dec 12, 2020 7:51:33 GMT -5
Pickett needs to put the team on his back during crunch time and win us a game.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 12, 2020 21:09:58 GMT -5
I think that it’s not unreasonable to expect Pickett to put up something like 16 and 10 over the course of the year. The question is whether it’s an efficient 16 points. Does he get them because he steps up and plays up to his potential? Or because we simply don’t have many options, and he ends up putting up tons of shots, good and bad alike? We all know which one we’re rooting for. I’m cautiously optimistic based on results so far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 11:37:20 GMT -5
Sorry - I missed the game last night. Did Jamorko get his 17 & 10?
j/k
No knock on JP - though he didn't really have his best game - but that was an absurd comment for a kid who, to that point in his career, had never even averaged 17 & 10 in any 2 consecutive games.
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Post by justsaying on Dec 14, 2020 11:41:09 GMT -5
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 14, 2020 11:43:15 GMT -5
Sorry - I missed the game last night. Did Jamorko get his 17 & 10? j/k No knock on JP - though he didn't really have his best game - but that was an absurd comment for a kid who, to that point in his career, had never even averaged 17 & 10 in any 2 consecutive games. Jamorko did not put up big numbers last night, but I thought he played OK. He did not really force anything and did not have a bunch of turnovers. When he had good shots, he took them and made at least a few.
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 14, 2020 11:49:24 GMT -5
Sorry - I missed the game last night. Did Jamorko get his 17 & 10? j/k No knock on JP - though he didn't really have his best game - but that was an absurd comment for a kid who, to that point in his career, had never even averaged 17 & 10 in any 2 consecutive games. I think it's safe to say Jamorko did not play much of a role in the win.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 11:51:10 GMT -5
Sorry - I missed the game last night. Did Jamorko get his 17 & 10? j/k No knock on JP - though he didn't really have his best game - but that was an absurd comment for a kid who, to that point in his career, had never even averaged 17 & 10 in any 2 consecutive games. Jamorko did not put up big numbers last night, but I thought he played OK. He did not really force anything and did not have a bunch of turnovers. When he had good shots, he took them and made at least a few. Yeah - he was fine. He's had a good start to the year. But Jamorko basically has 2 things he needs to do this year to help us stay out of the cellar: 1) Improve efficiency (no weak TOs, better shooting inside the arc, improve defense/rebounding) 2) Increase usage and consistency (i.e. be a star, or at least closer to it) I think he's done a great job of #1, which has gotten him to "solid BE starter level" (no, he hadn't been there before). But odds are we need him to be a star to get out of last place -- unless somebody else steps up. But I think he's always been odds-on #1. He's playing a bunch of minutes, and they've been very solid if un-spectacular. I'm hoping they don't come down to Earth too much in the BE season.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 14, 2020 12:02:21 GMT -5
Sorry - I missed the game last night. Did Jamorko get his 17 & 10? j/k No knock on JP - though he didn't really have his best game - but that was an absurd comment for a kid who, to that point in his career, had never even averaged 17 & 10 in any 2 consecutive games. I think it's safe to say Jamorko did not play much of a role in the win. What about his defense on Champagnie? What about his key steal which led to his assist to Blair for a three that tied the game late? What about playing within himself and not forcing anything needlessly when a shot wasn't there and giving the ball up to teammates who had it going in the game?
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 14, 2020 12:06:06 GMT -5
Sorry - I missed the game last night. Did Jamorko get his 17 & 10? j/k No knock on JP - though he didn't really have his best game - but that was an absurd comment for a kid who, to that point in his career, had never even averaged 17 & 10 in any 2 consecutive games. There's this guy on Seton Hall putting up numbers now on a more regular basis that he never did in his first three seasons. But you are suggesting Pickett playing at a higher level consistently is some far-reaching fantasy simply because he failed to do this in prior years?
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Post by kbones17 on Dec 14, 2020 12:24:40 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say Jamorko did not play much of a role in the win. What about his defense on Champagnie? What about his key steal which led to his assist to Blair for a three that tied the game late? What about playing within himself and not forcing anything needlessly when a shot wasn't there and giving the ball up to teammates who had it going in the game? Yeah, we need Pickett to be himself and not try to be “the star.” He will get his numbers if he does that and we will be a better team for it. He does need to do a better job rebounding (only 4 rebounds last night) but overall he played efficiently on the offensive side.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 12:25:30 GMT -5
Sorry - I missed the game last night. Did Jamorko get his 17 & 10? j/k No knock on JP - though he didn't really have his best game - but that was an absurd comment for a kid who, to that point in his career, had never even averaged 17 & 10 in any 2 consecutive games. There's this guy on Seton Hall putting up numbers now on a more regular basis that he never did in his first three seasons. But you are suggesting Pickett playing at a higher level consistently is some far-reaching fantasy simply because he failed to do this in prior years? Aside from the ridiculousness of that first sentence... please re-read what I wrote there and tell me what it has to do with your question. Perhaps it's a little pedantic, but the point is -- Jamorko's not gonna average 17 & 10. It's a benchmark that few players achieve, and there's absolutely no reason to think JP will be one of them. Especially when it's written after an once-a-career, 18 rebound game against a bunch of relative munchkins. Jessie & Alonzo are the only two guys who've hit 17 & 10 in the last 30 years (I think) -- Jessie by the skin of his teeth. Right now JP's at 13 & 9, with 4 of those games (UMBC, Navy, Coppin St, SJU) coming against most of the worst teams we'll play all season. Take out that outlier (CoppSt) and he's at 12 & 7 -- that's an improvement already. Do you honestly think he'll be anywhere near 17 & 10 when the year is done? It's like that earlier comment about Tim coming out in the first game and getting a double-double. At a certain point, some nonsense has to be reined in.
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 14, 2020 12:46:28 GMT -5
What about his defense on Champagnie? What about his key steal which led to his assist to Blair for a three that tied the game late? What about playing within himself and not forcing anything needlessly when a shot wasn't there and giving the ball up to teammates who had it going in the game? Yeah, we need Pickett to be himself and not try to be “the star.” He will get his numbers if he does that and we will be a better team for it. He does need to do a better job rebounding (only 4 rebounds last night) but overall he played efficiently on the offensive side. At this point it does appear that the team has more legit scoring options than it has had in the last few years. One night it could be Blair, then another night Carey and the next night Q. That type of balanced offense will keep teams from focusing on one or two guys and should make life easier for everyone, including Jamorko. At the start of the year I had thought that both Blair and Pickett needed to score big every night for the Hoyas to have a chance and I was was concerned that neither of them could do that if they were the focus of the other teams' defense. For this team to have success they need to take what the defense gives them and have confidence that their teammates will make shots when given good opportunities. Blair may have forced a few shots this year, but everyone (with the possible exception of Bile) else seems to be buying into the idea of moving the ball to the open guy and trusting the system and teammates. It really is there only chance to be successful so I hope they stick with it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 13:54:06 GMT -5
Y'all better leave my dawwg Jarmorko alone. It's going to be very embarrassing when he leaves the Hilltop and eventually makes it into the NBA and all of you couch potatoes are going to have egg on your faces. I wish I could come up with a line that has bacon in it because then all of you going against my dawwg will be complete food when he makes all of you look bad when he furthers his career.
My dawwg got the steal and the assist at the end of the game that tied the game and you all got the nerve to say he didn't do anything. The nerve of you people!
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 14, 2020 14:20:33 GMT -5
There's this guy on Seton Hall putting up numbers now on a more regular basis that he never did in his first three seasons. But you are suggesting Pickett playing at a higher level consistently is some far-reaching fantasy simply because he failed to do this in prior years? Aside from the ridiculousness of that first sentence... please re-read what I wrote there and tell me what it has to do with your question. Perhaps it's a little pedantic, but the point is -- Jamorko's not gonna average 17 & 10. It's a benchmark that few players achieve, and there's absolutely no reason to think JP will be one of them. Especially when it's written after an once-a-career, 18 rebound game against a bunch of relative munchkins. Jessie & Alonzo are the only two guys who've hit 17 & 10 in the last 30 years (I think) -- Jessie by the skin of his teeth. Right now JP's at 13 & 9, with 4 of those games (UMBC, Navy, Coppin St, SJU) coming against most of the worst teams we'll play all season. Take out that outlier (CoppSt) and he's at 12 & 7 -- that's an improvement already. Do you honestly think he'll be anywhere near 17 & 10 when the year is done? It's like that earlier comment about Tim coming out in the first game and getting a double-double. At a certain point, some nonsense has to be reined in. Why don't you re-read my point? My whole comment wasn't about predicting certain numbers he would end up with as a season average, my comment was a rebuttal to your argument. Just because a player had not produce to certain levels in previous years does not automatically put a ceiling on what he could do his last go-around. Granted I would not bet the house on Jamorko, say, averaging ten rebounds for example. But I had never seen him put together a string of four efficient games in a row, regardless of competition, before so I won't shut the door on the idea of what is possible for him. Its as simple as that.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 14, 2020 14:22:17 GMT -5
Y My dawwg got the steal and the assist at the end of the game that tied the game and you all got the nerve to say he didn't do anything. The nerve of you people! Preach.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 14:38:56 GMT -5
Aside from the ridiculousness of that first sentence... please re-read what I wrote there and tell me what it has to do with your question. Perhaps it's a little pedantic, but the point is -- Jamorko's not gonna average 17 & 10. It's a benchmark that few players achieve, and there's absolutely no reason to think JP will be one of them. Especially when it's written after an once-a-career, 18 rebound game against a bunch of relative munchkins. Jessie & Alonzo are the only two guys who've hit 17 & 10 in the last 30 years (I think) -- Jessie by the skin of his teeth. Right now JP's at 13 & 9, with 4 of those games (UMBC, Navy, Coppin St, SJU) coming against most of the worst teams we'll play all season. Take out that outlier (CoppSt) and he's at 12 & 7 -- that's an improvement already. Do you honestly think he'll be anywhere near 17 & 10 when the year is done? It's like that earlier comment about Tim coming out in the first game and getting a double-double. At a certain point, some nonsense has to be reined in. Why don't you re-read my point? My whole comment wasn't about predicting certain numbers he would end up with as a season average, my comment was a rebuttal to your argument. Just because a player had not produce to certain levels in previous years does not automatically put a ceiling on what he could do his last go-around. Granted I would not bet the house on Jamorko, say, averaging ten rebounds for example. But I had never seen him put together a string of four efficient games in a row, regardless of competition, before so I won't shut the door on the idea of what is possible for him. Its as simple as that. This has nothing to do with your point. Someone actually did suggest 17 & 10 -- we're not talking nuanced argument here. I'm not contemplating how much he's improved/improving. It was discussed in a throwaway line as if it's just a thing that might happen. (though Berger being the best 3pt shooter GU's ever had has definitely broken new ground for... something) Your life savings right now on JP averaging that down the stretch...Yes or No? Are you even considering it? No. JP has improved already - that's evident and been discussed by me elsewhere. But we're already a quarter of the way into the season he's nowhere near those marks, even after padding his stats with 35 minutes in a 30pt blowout. If you want to have a separate discussion on what he's doing better and what his actual ceiling might/should be, I'm all ears.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 15:49:07 GMT -5
I think he's been terrific personally. His defense has been really good this year.
He's held Derek Culver, Robinson Earl and Champagnie to a combined 11-32 from the field. That's quality d on some tough opponents who have very different skill sets.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 14, 2020 16:02:15 GMT -5
Why don't you re-read my point? My whole comment wasn't about predicting certain numbers he would end up with as a season average, my comment was a rebuttal to your argument. Just because a player had not produce to certain levels in previous years does not automatically put a ceiling on what he could do his last go-around. Granted I would not bet the house on Jamorko, say, averaging ten rebounds for example. But I had never seen him put together a string of four efficient games in a row, regardless of competition, before so I won't shut the door on the idea of what is possible for him. Its as simple as that. This has nothing to do with your point. Someone actually did suggest 17 & 10 -- we're not talking nuanced argument here. I'm not contemplating how much he's improved/improving. It was discussed in a throwaway line as if it's just a thing that might happen. (though Berger being the best 3pt shooter GU's ever had has definitely broken new ground for... something) Your life savings right now on JP averaging that down the stretch...Yes or No? Are you even considering it? No. JP has improved already - that's evident and been discussed by me elsewhere. But we're already a quarter of the way into the season he's nowhere near those marks, even after padding his stats with 35 minutes in a 30pt blowout. If you want to have a separate discussion on what he's doing better and what his actual ceiling might/should be, I'm all ears. No, its cool. No separate discussion is necessary. You made a good case. I am though surprised if your initial pushback wasn't about my point at all that you even bothered to respond to my post in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 18:58:59 GMT -5
He's done a really good job of playing within himself this year but I think he needs to shoot more. Some of these shots he takes are very hard to guard. I'm mainly talking about the ones where he just turns and shoot over the defender. He's too tall and long.
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Post by snaxa on Dec 18, 2020 21:16:32 GMT -5
Does anyone think 15 and 10 Pickett gets drafted if he keeps shooting 40% from 3?
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