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Post by hoya73 on Mar 18, 2022 16:24:33 GMT -5
100%. Not even debatable even though someone here may have a penchant for peeing into the wind. Uh - Actually very debatable. I love Pickett. But, he was terrible as a senior and didn't improve in the four years he was here, as he should have. He was done a tremendous disservice not having an effective player development system at Georgetown. His Per 40 stats for his senior year mirror his freshman per 40 stats. His senior year he shot 38% from the field. He scored two points (0-3 from the field) and had 3 rebounds in 32 minutes in the Big East Championship game against Creighton. He had 11 points (3-13 from the field) and 2 rebounds in 36 minutes against Colorado. His last nine games including the Big East tournament run he went (3-12, 3-8, 6-17, 2-5, 2-9, 2-9, 5-11, 0-3, 3-13 from field). We were terrible and he did not step up and take over games ever. He scored 20 points one game his senior year (never more). He also had one 20 point game his junior year, none his sophomore year and two 21 point games his freshman year. The unfortunate truth is that he did not develop like a four year player should. Yeah, his performance against Creighton in the BE championship led to Creighton blowing us out by....wait, what? Also, per 40 stats, is a sucker's game. It's like being a poster child for how to lie with statistics. I actually watched the games. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 18, 2022 17:06:24 GMT -5
Uh - Actually very debatable. I love Pickett. But, he was terrible as a senior and didn't improve in the four years he was here, as he should have. He was done a tremendous disservice not having an effective player development system at Georgetown. His Per 40 stats for his senior year mirror his freshman per 40 stats. His senior year he shot 38% from the field. He scored two points (0-3 from the field) and had 3 rebounds in 32 minutes in the Big East Championship game against Creighton. He had 11 points (3-13 from the field) and 2 rebounds in 36 minutes against Colorado. His last nine games including the Big East tournament run he went (3-12, 3-8, 6-17, 2-5, 2-9, 2-9, 5-11, 0-3, 3-13 from field). We were terrible and he did not step up and take over games ever. He scored 20 points one game his senior year (never more). He also had one 20 point game his junior year, none his sophomore year and two 21 point games his freshman year. The unfortunate truth is that he did not develop like a four year player should. Yeah, his performance against Creighton in the BE championship led to Creighton blowing us out by....wait, what? Also, per 40 stats, is a sucker's game. It's like being a poster child for how to lie with statistics. I actually watched the games. 1) one game means nothing 2) the odds your observations are a better assessment of what happened than the stats are zero percent. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 18, 2022 18:24:13 GMT -5
Uh - Actually very debatable. I love Pickett. But, he was terrible as a senior and didn't improve in the four years he was here, as he should have. He was done a tremendous disservice not having an effective player development system at Georgetown. His Per 40 stats for his senior year mirror his freshman per 40 stats. His senior year he shot 38% from the field. He scored two points (0-3 from the field) and had 3 rebounds in 32 minutes in the Big East Championship game against Creighton. He had 11 points (3-13 from the field) and 2 rebounds in 36 minutes against Colorado. His last nine games including the Big East tournament run he went (3-12, 3-8, 6-17, 2-5, 2-9, 2-9, 5-11, 0-3, 3-13 from field). We were terrible and he did not step up and take over games ever. He scored 20 points one game his senior year (never more). He also had one 20 point game his junior year, none his sophomore year and two 21 point games his freshman year. The unfortunate truth is that he did not develop like a four year player should. Yeah, his performance against Creighton in the BE championship led to Creighton blowing us out by....wait, what? Also, per 40 stats, is a sucker's game. It's like being a poster child for how to lie with statistics. I actually watched the games. As others have said, Pickett simply wasn't that good for us in any of his four years, even if he was better than many of the guys on our roster this past season. The idea that he blossomed or flourished at Georgetown is a stretch. He did get better in some aspects of his game, as others said. He improved as a rebounder, and I do think his defense got better. What made him better? Ewing? Maybe, as his coach Ewing gets to take credit. Maturity? Sure. Also, posters are making general statements about Pickett, and he's really still in the early stages of his career. As of today, Pickett has played in 8 NBA games. I realize his function on an NBA roster is not to be the prime guy, but in his first 6 games, he scored 3 points in about 47 minutes. He had a good ten minutes against Boston last Friday, and two points yesterday. Obviously, ANY playing time on any NBA roster is fantastic. And, I never thought Pickett would get there, so good for him (and I admit I was wrong in thinking he'd never play). It's really too early to say how his career will play out, obviously. He surely will be able to play professionally somewhere, which is great. I hope he succeeds in the NBA, as that would be great for him and the Hoyas. He clearly had struggles in college, so I applaud him for the tenacity and keeping at it. Lastly, using "Per 40" or Per 100 pace-adjusted status is not a "sucker's game." It's a way to understand the game while accounting for pace. If you have 75 possessions a game and score 70 points, or 55 a game and score 70 points, that's a huge difference, and not one that can be spotted easily with old fashioned stats. Saying these stats are for suckers really means you are sticking your head in the sand, and not willing to look at everything in front of you. Put differently, if tools are out there, why not use them? If you don't like them, fine, no worries go ahead and watch the game. But, I think it's poor form to criticize people who want to understand the game more, even if it is not something you want to do. All NBA franchises and all good college programs use these stats. That all major NBA teams have adopted usage of such stats should tell you something. |
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Post by tashoya on Mar 18, 2022 21:35:08 GMT -5
Freshman Morko never sees a single minute in an NBA game. Post graduation Pickett does. I wonder how that could be possible since he didn't improve significantly.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 18, 2022 23:02:23 GMT -5
Yeah, his performance against Creighton in the BE championship led to Creighton blowing us out by....wait, what? Also, per 40 stats, is a sucker's game. It's like being a poster child for how to lie with statistics. I actually watched the games. As others have said, Pickett simply wasn't that good for us in any of his four years, even if he was better than many of the guys on our roster this past season. The idea that he blossomed or flourished at Georgetown is a stretch. He did get better in some aspects of his game, as others said. He improved as a rebounder, and I do think his defense got better. What made him better? Ewing? Maybe, as his coach Ewing gets to take credit. Maturity? Sure. Also, posters are making general statements about Pickett, and he's really still in the early stages of his career. As of today, Pickett has played in 8 NBA games. I realize his function on an NBA roster is not to be the prime guy, but in his first 6 games, he scored 3 points in about 47 minutes. He had a good ten minutes against Boston last Friday, and two points yesterday. Obviously, ANY playing time on any NBA roster is fantastic. And, I never thought Pickett would get there, so good for him (and I admit I was wrong in thinking he'd never play). It's really too early to say how his career will play out, obviously. He surely will be able to play professionally somewhere, which is great. I hope he succeeds in the NBA, as that would be great for him and the Hoyas. He clearly had struggles in college, so I applaud him for the tenacity and keeping at it. Lastly, using "Per 40" or Per 100 pace-adjusted status is not a "sucker's game." It's a way to understand the game while accounting for pace. If you have 75 possessions a game and score 70 points, or 55 a game and score 70 points, that's a huge difference, and not one that can be spotted easily with old fashioned stats. Saying these stats are for suckers really means you are sticking your head in the sand, and not willing to look at everything in front of you. Put differently, if tools are out there, why not use them? If you don't like them, fine, no worries go ahead and watch the game. But, I think it's poor form to criticize people who want to understand the game more, even if it is not something you want to do. All NBA franchises and all good college programs use these stats. That all major NBA teams have adopted usage of such stats should tell you something. We can debate to no end (with no answer) what percentage of Pickett's development was based upon his own work, his natural physical development or Ewing's coaching staff. What's fairly ridiculous to debate is whether or not he developed. If you watched the games, you know that Pickett vastly improved his defense and his boarding after being giving a few DNP CDs. If you watched the games and didn't see much difference, you have no clue what you're watching in the first place. Part of that was because of the role he was asked to play. But, he also had to add those skillsets as he was tasked to be less of a scorer. Even though he wasn't tasked to be the primary scorer, he still put up similar numbers as when he was primary out there to score. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 19, 2022 13:08:30 GMT -5
We can debate to no end (with no answer) what percentage of Pickett's development was based upon his own work, his natural physical development or Ewing's coaching staff. What's fairly ridiculous to debate is whether or not he developed. If you watched the games, you know that Pickett vastly improved his defense and his boarding after being giving a few DNP CDs. If you watched the games and didn't see much difference, you have no clue what you're watching in the first place. Part of that was because of the role he was asked to play. But, he also had to add those skillsets as he was tasked to be less of a scorer. Even though he wasn't tasked to be the primary scorer, he still put up similar numbers as when he was primary out there to score. This is a straw man argument. Who is debating whether he developed? As I said in my previous post, "He did get better in some aspects of his game, as others said. He improved as a rebounder, and I do think his defense got better." There's no doubt that Pickett got better over his four years, nobody here is debating that. I do think you can debate HOW MUCH he got better, or how good of a college player he was, but that's for another thread and another time. To bring this back to Aminu, I really think Aminu would flourish in a more structured offense. I think he has a lot of good tools, but really hasn't been coached well enough how to use them, which resulted in his frequent drives into multiple defenders, etc. that were very ineffective. So, hopefully if Aminu is back and Ewing is back, Ewing will use a better offensive approach or do a better job of coaching him. |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 24, 2022 9:47:32 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2022 12:13:42 GMT -5
Yeah, his performance against Creighton in the BE championship led to Creighton blowing us out by....wait, what? Also, per 40 stats, is a sucker's game. It's like being a poster child for how to lie with statistics. I actually watched the games. As others have said, Pickett simply wasn't that good for us in any of his four years, even if he was better than many of the guys on our roster this past season. The idea that he blossomed or flourished at Georgetown is a stretch. He did get better in some aspects of his game, as others said. He improved as a rebounder, and I do think his defense got better. What made him better? Ewing? Maybe, as his coach Ewing gets to take credit. Maturity? Sure. Also, posters are making general statements about Pickett, and he's really still in the early stages of his career. As of today, Pickett has played in 8 NBA games. I realize his function on an NBA roster is not to be the prime guy, but in his first 6 games, he scored 3 points in about 47 minutes. He had a good ten minutes against Boston last Friday, and two points yesterday. Obviously, ANY playing time on any NBA roster is fantastic. And, I never thought Pickett would get there, so good for him (and I admit I was wrong in thinking he'd never play). It's really too early to say how his career will play out, obviously. He surely will be able to play professionally somewhere, which is great. I hope he succeeds in the NBA, as that would be great for him and the Hoyas. He clearly had struggles in college, so I applaud him for the tenacity and keeping at it. Lastly, using "Per 40" or Per 100 pace-adjusted status is not a "sucker's game." It's a way to understand the game while accounting for pace. If you have 75 possessions a game and score 70 points, or 55 a game and score 70 points, that's a huge difference, and not one that can be spotted easily with old fashioned stats. Saying these stats are for suckers really means you are sticking your head in the sand, and not willing to look at everything in front of you. Put differently, if tools are out there, why not use them? If you don't like them, fine, no worries go ahead and watch the game. But, I think it's poor form to criticize people who want to understand the game more, even if it is not something you want to do. All NBA franchises and all good college programs use these stats. That all major NBA teams have adopted usage of such stats should tell you something. I thought for sure this was a Hoyaboya post. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2022 12:16:11 GMT -5
Yeah, his performance against Creighton in the BE championship led to Creighton blowing us out by....wait, what? Also, per 40 stats, is a sucker's game. It's like being a poster child for how to lie with statistics. I actually watched the games. A Also, posters are making general statements about Pickett, and he's really still in the early stages of his career. As of today, Pickett has played in 8 NBA games. I realize his function on an NBA roster is not to be the prime guy, but in his first 6 games, he scored 3 points in about 47 minutes. He had a good ten minutes against Boston last Friday, and two points yesterday. Obviously, ANY playing time on any NBA roster is fantastic. And, I never thought Pickett would get there, so good for him (and I admit I was wrong in thinking he'd never play). It's really too early to say how his career will play out, obviously. He surely will be able to play professionally somewhere, which is great. I hope he succeeds in the NBA, as that would be great for him and the Hoyas. He clearly had struggles in college, so I applaud him for the tenacity and keeping at it. Lastly, using "Per 40" or Per 100 pace-adjusted status is not a "sucker's game." It's a way to understand the game while accounting for pace. If you have 75 possessions a game and score 70 points, or 55 a game and score 70 points, that's a huge difference, and not one that can be spotted easily with old fashioned stats. Saying these stats are for suckers really means you are sticking your head in the sand, and not willing to look at everything in front of you. Put differently, if tools are out there, why not use them? If you don't like them, fine, no worries go ahead and watch the game. But, I think it's poor form to criticize people who want to understand the game more, even if it is not something you want to do. All NBA franchises and all good college programs use these stats. That all major NBA teams have adopted usage of such stats should tell you something. Doing alot better than Chris Beard prodigy, Mac McLung. |
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 24, 2022 12:24:21 GMT -5
A Also, posters are making general statements about Pickett, and he's really still in the early stages of his career. As of today, Pickett has played in 8 NBA games. I realize his function on an NBA roster is not to be the prime guy, but in his first 6 games, he scored 3 points in about 47 minutes. He had a good ten minutes against Boston last Friday, and two points yesterday. Obviously, ANY playing time on any NBA roster is fantastic. And, I never thought Pickett would get there, so good for him (and I admit I was wrong in thinking he'd never play). It's really too early to say how his career will play out, obviously. He surely will be able to play professionally somewhere, which is great. I hope he succeeds in the NBA, as that would be great for him and the Hoyas. He clearly had struggles in college, so I applaud him for the tenacity and keeping at it. Lastly, using "Per 40" or Per 100 pace-adjusted status is not a "sucker's game." It's a way to understand the game while accounting for pace. If you have 75 possessions a game and score 70 points, or 55 a game and score 70 points, that's a huge difference, and not one that can be spotted easily with old fashioned stats. Saying these stats are for suckers really means you are sticking your head in the sand, and not willing to look at everything in front of you. Put differently, if tools are out there, why not use them? If you don't like them, fine, no worries go ahead and watch the game. But, I think it's poor form to criticize people who want to understand the game more, even if it is not something you want to do. All NBA franchises and all good college programs use these stats. That all major NBA teams have adopted usage of such stats should tell you something. Doing alot better than Chris Beard prodigy, Mac McLung. Careful. Writing that name around here is the equivalent of saying "Candyman" into a mirror 5 times. |
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Post by dense on Mar 24, 2022 13:40:48 GMT -5
Doing alot better than Chris Beard prodigy, Mac McLung. Careful. Writing that name around here is the equivalent of saying "Candyman" into a mirror 5 times. Lol yeah, I don't even want to debate that guy, just don't bring up that name and he'll stay away. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 24, 2022 16:03:09 GMT -5
A Also, posters are making general statements about Pickett, and he's really still in the early stages of his career. As of today, Pickett has played in 8 NBA games. I realize his function on an NBA roster is not to be the prime guy, but in his first 6 games, he scored 3 points in about 47 minutes. He had a good ten minutes against Boston last Friday, and two points yesterday. Obviously, ANY playing time on any NBA roster is fantastic. And, I never thought Pickett would get there, so good for him (and I admit I was wrong in thinking he'd never play). It's really too early to say how his career will play out, obviously. He surely will be able to play professionally somewhere, which is great. I hope he succeeds in the NBA, as that would be great for him and the Hoyas. He clearly had struggles in college, so I applaud him for the tenacity and keeping at it. Lastly, using "Per 40" or Per 100 pace-adjusted status is not a "sucker's game." It's a way to understand the game while accounting for pace. If you have 75 possessions a game and score 70 points, or 55 a game and score 70 points, that's a huge difference, and not one that can be spotted easily with old fashioned stats. Saying these stats are for suckers really means you are sticking your head in the sand, and not willing to look at everything in front of you. Put differently, if tools are out there, why not use them? If you don't like them, fine, no worries go ahead and watch the game. But, I think it's poor form to criticize people who want to understand the game more, even if it is not something you want to do. All NBA franchises and all good college programs use these stats. That all major NBA teams have adopted usage of such stats should tell you something. Doing alot better than Chris Beard prodigy, Mac McLung. I would not say MacClung flourished under either Ewing or Beard, so I am not sure of your point here (though he did play better under Beard than Ewing). As for your response on the "flourishing" point accusing me of sounding like another poster, the blunt fact is that Pickett did improve (as I acknowledged, on rebounding and defense) over the four years. But he wasn't an All Big East player, he wasn't on All American Lists, he wasn't on draft boards. I am proud that he made the NBA despite being under the radar, but Pickett developed over four years and as we all know from watching the games, it was a struggle for him at times. I don't call that flourishing. If you do, fair enough. He did get better, and you can certainly give credit to Ewing for that, and I am sure Ewing is proud to see him get some minutes in the NBA. |
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Post by dense on Apr 1, 2022 20:13:41 GMT -5
Played a lot tonight and has a career high already against OKC at the half 10pts 4 rbs 3 blks 2 asts in 18 mins.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 1, 2022 20:37:13 GMT -5
Played a lot tonight and has a career high already against OKC at the half 10pts 4 rbs 3 blks 2 asts in 18 mins. LOVE this. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 1, 2022 20:42:00 GMT -5
Love to see this just switched on the game his +/- is +21 rn
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 2, 2022 6:33:20 GMT -5
Finished with 13 pts, 8 rbs, 4 assists and 3 blocks in 39 minutes. Ended up +10. Not a great shooting night though, 4/13.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 2, 2022 6:58:10 GMT -5
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Post by dense on Apr 2, 2022 8:23:14 GMT -5
He didn't shoot well but everything else he was really good. Especially help defense stopping the PnR.
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Post by dense on Apr 6, 2022 19:03:26 GMT -5
Another great 1st half against the Mavs for Pickett. Got a nice 12 min run 10pts on 4-4 shooting, 2 3s and 2 rebs. Had some great individual D moments out there. Loved how he wasn't scared of switching onto Doncic and forcing him into a tough shot. Definitely will play somewhere in the NBA at the start of next year.
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