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Post by SSHoya on Dec 3, 2018 15:11:23 GMT -5
A message from Individual 1: Question: If Trump called Stone and encouraged him not to testify couldn't that be considered witness tampering and against the law? I ask because he does these things in plain site on the daily. Either way, it's amazeballs that this is a President who enjoys almost unanimous support from his party even though his actions seem indefensible... 18 USC Section 1512, Tampering with a witness, victim, or informant. (b) Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to— (1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding; (2) cause or induce any person to— (A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding; . . . shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. * * * * (d) Whoever intentionally harasses another person and thereby hinders, delays, prevents, or dissuades any person from— (1) attending or testifying in an official proceeding; (2) reporting to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation 1 supervised release,,1 parole, or release pending judicial proceedings; (3) arresting or seeking the arrest of another person in connection with a Federal offense; or (4) causing a criminal prosecution, or a parole or probation revocation proceeding, to be sought or instituted, or assisting in such prosecution or proceeding; or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both. (e) In a prosecution for an offense under this section, it is an affirmative defense, as to which the defendant has the burden of proof by a preponderance of the evidence, that the conduct consisted solely of lawful conduct and that the defendant’s sole intention was to encourage, induce, or cause the other person to testify truthfully. [Can't see any honest person arguing that the exception in Section 1512(e) would apply to the pathological liar Trump.] www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 3, 2018 21:29:26 GMT -5
Mr. Kellyanne Conway thinks Trump crossed the line into obstruction of justice: Attorney George Conway, husband of White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, referenced the federal statute most likely to create legal liability for Trump: 18 U.S.C. §§ 1512, which outlines the crime of witness tampering. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/03/trumps-latest-tweets-cross-clear-lines-experts-say-obstruction-justice-witness-tampering/?utm_term=.462fe905eb15The president of the United States should spend more time reading Lawfare. If he did, last August, he might have read the analysis we ran by Sarah Grant, Sabrina McCubbin, Yishai Schwartz and Benjamin Wittes regarding the potential applicability of federal witness tampering laws to the president’s public statements. And so he might have know why it was probably a bad idea this morning to tweet: The principle way a president defends the “rule of law,” after all, is by actually following the law. We’d suggest that the president attempting to influence witnesses in the broad daylight of Twitter is as significant a breach of his constitutional duty as it would be if he were to secretly promise pardons in private—both are, in and of themselves, impeachable offenses. www.lawfareblog.com/donald-trumps-tweet-about-roger-stone-witness-tampering
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 4, 2018 8:08:47 GMT -5
Over the next few days, attorneys representing the special counsel’s office will make a presumably different recommendation regarding Cohen’s sentencing to Judge William Pauley III of the Southern District of New York. If I were Pauley, I would not ignore the president’s tweets. The special counsel’s office is, after all, part of the Justice Department. Robert Mueller is an appointee of the department and bound by Justice Department policies. So if I were Pauley, I would ask the attorney representing the executive branch, of which President Trump is the embodiment, why he or she is not bound by the policy view and legal position that Cohen “should . . . serve a full and complete sentence.” I would also ask what business the Justice Department has prosecuting Cohen at all for what the president has described as “two counts of campaign finance violations that are not a crime.” I would demand to know what business a lowly line attorney for the government has in contradicting the president on a matter about which the executive branch has taken a position. I might even force the special counsel’s office to brief the question of its authority to take a position directly adverse to the president’s own. www.lawfareblog.com/what-judge-should-ask-mueller-about-trumps-tweets
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 4, 2018 17:24:52 GMT -5
"The mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" -Don the Con, September 27, 2016.
Roger Stone reportedly invoking the Fifth Amendment in the Senate Judiciary Committee investigation's document and interview request. December 3, 2018.
While the Flynn sentencing memo from Mueller is due today, most federal court scheduling orders mean that you have until midnight to file and serve it via the electronic court filing system (ECF).
Edit: memo released but heavily redacted. 19 interviews with SCO and other DOJ offices. Big time cooperation and SCO recommends no incarceration. Early cooperation especially valuable. Flynn provided firsthand information on interaction between Trump transition team and Russian government. (Cohen only had 7 interviews).
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 4, 2018 21:13:48 GMT -5
"The mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" -Don the Con, September 27, 2016. Roger Stone reportedly invoking the Fifth Amendment in the Senate Judiciary Committee investigation's document and interview request. December 3, 2018. While the Flynn sentencing memo from Mueller is due today, most federal court scheduling orders mean that you have until midnight to file and serve it via the electronic court filing system (ECF). Edit: memo released but heavily redacted. 19 interviews with SCO and other DOJ offices. Big time cooperation and SCO recommends no incarceration. Early cooperation especially valuable. Flynn provided firsthand information on interaction between Trump transition team and Russian government. (Cohen only had 7 interviews). Trump's next tweet will refer to Flynn as a no good liar who should be sentenced to 1,000 years in prison.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 23:48:37 GMT -5
Oh Fox.... Lol
Audience of " Individual 1"...
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 7, 2018 6:17:17 GMT -5
This is what happens when clown/moron Giuliani represents clown/moron Trump (I wonder about the ethics of publicly speaking about your client in this manner): Giuliani said it’s been difficult in the past few months to even consider drafting response plans, or devote time to the “counter-report” he claimed they were working on this summer as he and Trump confronted Mueller’s written questions about the 2016 campaign. “Answering those questions was a nightmare,” he told me. “It took him about three weeks to do what would normally take two days.” For Giuliani, letting Trump guide the response post-report may not be ideal, but “I don’t think there’s anyone in the world that can stop Donald Trump from tweeting,” he acknowledged. “I’ve tried.” www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/12/trump-white-house-has-no-plan-counter-mueller-report/577417/
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 7, 2018 17:08:59 GMT -5
"Individual 1" (Trump) named in Cohen SDNY sentencing memo regarding campaign finance violations. Cohen acted in coordination with and at direction of Individual 1. Sounds like conspiracy to me under 18 USC Section 371. Cohen's cooperation "helpful" but not "substantial assistance" under sentencing guidelines but judged generally credible on matters he was willing to discuss. SDNY seeks substantial term of imprisonment. Recommend 42 months and $100k fine. SCO says Cohen provided info about attempts by other Russian nationals who sought Individual 1 to meet with Putin for both political and business reasons in October 2015. Political synergy in the words of SCO. Cohen did not follow up on this. Cohen provided valuable and useful info on contacts with WH officials. SCO recommends concurrent sentencing for his false statements to Congress. Also references preparation and circulation of statement prior to submitting it to Congress. Circulated to whom? Trump, Kushner et al.? Sounds like deep doo doo for some people. Let's watch the corrupt Republicans continue to defend the malignant one occupying the WH and his ignorant base still waiting for him to shoot someone on 5th Avenue. Hypocrites all of them. www.lawfareblog.com/document-us-attorneys-office-southern-district-new-york-and-special-counsels-office-file-michael
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 18:06:12 GMT -5
Is breaking the law a crime? Asking for a friend.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 7, 2018 18:58:19 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 7, 2018 21:20:37 GMT -5
It's his best (only?) argument. Just keep saying over and over, I'm innocent, no collusion, no campaign violations, no nothing. Fake News Network will report it over and over. The base will believe it because the base only believes what they hear on the Fake News Network. It's pretty hard to break that chain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 21:42:51 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Dec 7, 2018 21:43:45 GMT -5
Sounds to me like today whataboutism got diagnosed with a terminal illness. It won't be long now til it's dead and gone.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 7, 2018 22:08:45 GMT -5
Boy am I glad I’m not this Individual 1 guy.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 8, 2018 8:07:52 GMT -5
Kelly Ann’s husband?! He trolls his wife’s boss!
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 8, 2018 11:08:20 GMT -5
Sounds to me like today whataboutism got diagnosed with a terminal illness. It won't be long now til it's dead and gone. Like "Weekend at Bernie's," they'll still wheel it out on festive occasions.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 8, 2018 11:09:17 GMT -5
Kelly Ann’s husband?! He trolls his wife’s boss! I can't even imagine what dinner conversations must be like in the Conway household.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 8, 2018 12:05:33 GMT -5
Kelly Ann’s husband?! He trolls his wife’s boss! I can't even imagine what dinner conversations must be like in the Conway household. If the televised interviews are any indication, George doesn't get a chance to say much of anything. Kellyanne, likely, just ignores what he's saying and proceeds to talk over him. Maybe that's why he's so prolific on Twitter.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 9, 2018 17:06:02 GMT -5
Any of you Trump cultists on Hoya Talk wish to offer a response? Has there ever been any American political campaign who had these amount of contacts with a hostile foreign power? These actions amount to a concerted and coordinated Russian intelligence operation targeting willing participants. In all, Russians interacted with at least 14 Trump associates during the campaign and presidential transition, public records and interviews show. And surely this is merely a coincidence, right? The special counsel’s filings have also revealed moments when Russia appeared to be taking cues from Trump. In July 2016, the then-GOP candidate said at a news conference, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” referring to messages Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton had deleted from a private account. That day, the Russians made their first effort to break into servers used by Clinton’s personal office, according to court documents. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/russians-interacted-with-at-least-14-trump-associates-during-the-campaign-and-transition/2018/12/09/71773192-fb13-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html?utm_term=.33c7deacec4e
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 10, 2018 6:09:29 GMT -5
Hey, Trump cultists/Republican enablers, where's your outrage? Remember when you went ballistic because of Clinton's meeting with then-AG Loretta Lynch on the tarmac?
The GOPers are hypocrites of the highest order.
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