njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 13:32:15 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 26, 2017 13:35:19 GMT -5
This story is just fascinating. With all the talk here about Louisville (for good reason), the other big story for me is obviously Person at Auburn. Frankly, I think Auburn is in all kinds of trouble. Their softball coach resigned/was fired after allegations he and his assistants behaved inappropriately toward players. Now this affects the basketball program. Hard to see how Bruce Pearl isn't done with coaching given the acts here of his top assistant. I would imagine the AD should surely go too. The Louisville story is just a disgrace. A bad day for college sports. Though I'm hardly surprised. It's actually good for us. Levels the playing field. Now if they just take down UK and Calipari and the other blue bloods.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 26, 2017 13:39:57 GMT -5
Bilas the lawyer asserting the Sergeant Schultz defense on behalf of the institutions: "I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing!" For NCAA purposes doesn't this equate to lack of institutional control? Universities either knew or should have known of these illegal activities. Yeah, it's kind of an interesting position being taken by Bilas. I'm guessing there is a little more nuance than I'm giving him credit for, but based on what we're reading around the web, he's saying: "the schools/shoe companies/handlers give the athletes money in violation of NCAA regulations to get them to attend certain schools; the athletes sign the scholarship paperwork certifying they haven't violated NCAA regulations; the schools have been defrauded by the false certifications signed by the athletes." Have I got that right? True, but authorized agents (coaches) of the university were parties to the fraud. Of course, putting on my lawyer/Bilas hat, as a legal matter you could argue that the coaches acted ultra vires (outside the scope of their employment) to engage in illegal criminal acts or acts violative of NCAA regs and therefore those acts should not be imputed to the institutions on a respondeat superior theory. But I'd still go back to the lack of institutional control theory to hold the universities accountable for the conduct of its employees.
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Post by centercourt400s on Sept 26, 2017 14:23:46 GMT -5
This story is just fascinating. With all the talk here about Louisville (for good reason), the other big story for me is obviously Person at Auburn. Frankly, I think Auburn is in all kinds of trouble. Their softball coach resigned/was fired after allegations he and his assistants behaved inappropriately toward players. Now this affects the basketball program. Hard to see how Bruce Pearl isn't done with coaching given the acts here of his top assistant. I would imagine the AD should surely go too. The Louisville story is just a disgrace. A bad day for college sports. Though I'm hardly surprised. It's actually good for us. Levels the playing field. Now if they just take down UK and Calipari and the other blue bloods. It's actually a fantastic day for college basketball. The "bad days" were the days when each violation occurred and when each recruit spurned an honest program for a corrupt one. Those bad days have already been banked... now we need some good days of seeing coaches and ADs in handcuffs. Maybe that will partially balance out the damage they've already inflicted.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 26, 2017 14:28:53 GMT -5
It's actually a fantastic day for college basketball. The "bad days" were the days when each violation occurred and when each recruit spurned an honest program for a corrupt one. Those bad days have already been banked... now we need some good days of seeing coaches and ADs in handcuffs. Maybe that will partially balance out the damage they've already inflicted. Agreed. It's certainly not a good thing for the programs involved in the short-term, but getting rid of some of this corruption is a big start toward a better environment for all. In no way am I excusing these things, but I think it highlights that allowing high school kids to go straight to the NBA would help. By forcing the top guys into college, it helps to lead to things like the Bowen recruitment. But regardless, the system is what it is, and the coaches and universities who have abused the system should be held accountable. The NCAA needs to focus on these issues, not going after people like Moses for his $300 plane ticket.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 14:39:59 GMT -5
Ok. A connection with Pittsburgh. Could this lead to, hmm, John Calipari and that squeaky clean program at Kentucky? Coach Cal's roots are in Pittsburgh.
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Post by sleepy on Sept 26, 2017 14:40:53 GMT -5
By tonight Bilas will have figured out a way to blame the NCAA for all of this. Well to be honest, do we really think there wasn't something going on keeping the NCAA from undercovering this more than just general incompetence? I'm sure there is a money trail somewhere there too. I hope the FBI goes after this until the who recruiting/AAU landscape has to be completely overhauled. Simiilar to how it was when shoe companies first started getting involved.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 26, 2017 14:44:15 GMT -5
I hope the FBI goes after this until the who recruiting/AAU landscape has to be completely overhauled. Simiilar to how it was when shoe companies first started getting involved. A good start would be removing influence of the shoe companies - i.e., not allowing them to bankroll AAU, as it would cause a lot of the sketchy funds being exchanged to dry up.
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Post by sleepy on Sept 26, 2017 14:52:52 GMT -5
I hope the FBI goes after this until the who recruiting/AAU landscape has to be completely overhauled. Simiilar to how it was when shoe companies first started getting involved. A good start would be removing influence of the shoe companies - i.e., not allowing them to bankroll AAU, as it would cause a lot of the sketchy funds being exchanged to dry up. I'd imagine if this keeps going there will some sort of provisions put in place to put a stop to that. Who knows, I guess we will find out.
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Post by hoyas4lyfe on Sept 26, 2017 14:53:59 GMT -5
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Post by BigmanU on Sept 26, 2017 14:56:22 GMT -5
Whoa, was Keatts one of the guys some folks wanted during the search?
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Post by tashoya on Sept 26, 2017 14:57:22 GMT -5
Well, the good news is that they can stop "focusing" on that whole UNC offers a bogus education thing. Congrats, Heels!
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Post by hoyas4lyfe on Sept 26, 2017 14:58:26 GMT -5
Whoa, was Keatts one of the guys some folks wanted during the search? He was at Louisville from 2011-2014
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 14:59:01 GMT -5
Whoa, was Keatts one of the guys some folks wanted during the search? As separately noted, NC State is an Adidas school. And yes, Keatts was an oft-cited coaching prospect.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 26, 2017 15:01:16 GMT -5
I hope the FBI goes after this until the who recruiting/AAU landscape has to be completely overhauled. Simiilar to how it was when shoe companies first started getting involved. A good start would be removing influence of the shoe companies - i.e., not allowing them to bankroll AAU, as it would cause a lot of the sketchy funds being exchanged to dry up. Bankroll aau? Shouldn't they start with college programs?
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Post by Elvado on Sept 26, 2017 15:05:19 GMT -5
I am shocked to learn that Bruce Pearl's program could be implicated. Good Lord, people should wear a hazmat suit just to be near that guy...
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Post by sleepy on Sept 26, 2017 15:05:59 GMT -5
A good start would be removing influence of the shoe companies - i.e., not allowing them to bankroll AAU, as it would cause a lot of the sketchy funds being exchanged to dry up. Bankroll aau? Shouldn't they start with college programs? No you start at the source where everyone is getting access to the players and move from there. Getting them out of AAU and College programs is one in the same in reality.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 26, 2017 15:17:51 GMT -5
Reading this statement, it really does show clueless Emmert and the NCAA really are...
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 26, 2017 15:18:29 GMT -5
Hopefully this shines a light on the absurdity of the players not getting paid and affects some real change in that regard.
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Post by centercourt400s on Sept 26, 2017 15:18:30 GMT -5
Tony Bland played at Syracuse from 1998 - 2000.
Does anything more need to be said?
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