njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 10:48:06 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Sept 26, 2017 10:50:42 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for the "I had no idea that this was happening" crap from Pitino.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 10:56:31 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 26, 2017 11:02:19 GMT -5
Yep, as Jay Bilas would say (and repeatedly does), there is not enough money in college basketball. Discussion also ongoing here: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/743023/thread where this thread will eventually be moved/merged.
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Post by hoyalaw33 on Sept 26, 2017 11:04:37 GMT -5
Has to mean the death penalty and Pitino getting a lifetime ban from coaching.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 26, 2017 11:06:36 GMT -5
What I want to see is how does Slimey Trickey Rickey at Louisville survive this scandal after somehow surviving the others including a prostitution ring. Even the NCAA can't protect him by deflecting charges. The "I didn't know anything defense" isn't going to fly this time!
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Post by hoyalaw33 on Sept 26, 2017 11:16:53 GMT -5
From a legal perspective, do you go after the families that accepted the money for tax evasion?
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Post by hoya95 on Sept 26, 2017 11:24:05 GMT -5
From a legal perspective, do you go after the families that accepted the money for tax evasion? You could, but I doubt they'd want to. In the press conference, they are definitely treating the players as the exploited victims. So I'd really doubt it now.
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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 26, 2017 11:26:01 GMT -5
From a legal perspective, do you go after the families that accepted the money for tax evasion? Unless the family somehow found a way to report the 100k then it's definitely possible. But if their family is anything like the majority of families college basketball players come from, something just feels wrong to go after them when its quite likely Pitino and his cronies economically exploited them to get their son to commit.
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Post by hoyalaw33 on Sept 26, 2017 11:36:09 GMT -5
From a legal perspective, do you go after the families that accepted the money for tax evasion? Unless the family somehow found a way to report the 100k then it's definitely possible. But if their family is anything like the majority of families college basketball players come from, something just feels wrong to go after them when its quite likely Pitino and his cronies economically exploited them to get their son to commit. Agreed I don't like it. And the transfer of funds could have been misrepresented, but it seems strange to let them off the hook for clearly doing something to try and maximize the potential return for their child being a good athlete.
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Post by jld54 on Sept 26, 2017 11:44:06 GMT -5
Like Boeheim, Pitino was always dirty, you just couldn't catch him.
And this is no doubt the tip of the iceberg.
Wonder how Bilas will try to spin this, just like he tried to exonerate 'Cuse and UNC!
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 11:49:29 GMT -5
Just watched the press conference held by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York The big takeaway? This is just the start. I'd expect to see more coaches/agents/executives/college basketball programs implicated. And the NCAA is going to be just starting up with its investigations.
Prediction: we're going to see some big names and programs get hammered.
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Post by ksf42001 on Sept 26, 2017 12:00:45 GMT -5
Prediction: we're going to see some big names and programs get hammered. "...ten years from now." You finished your sentence too soon.
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Post by justsaying on Sept 26, 2017 12:05:40 GMT -5
Living close to 3 of the Blue Blood programs ([3] - i'll let you guess what state and area) this comes as no surprise; as many of the recruits here after committing to these schools they seem to do very well (compensated wise) as the local people see them in the various communities. This has been going on for a very long time. I sure the methods of how these recruits & families are compensated change over time just as the methods of the watchful eyes change their tactics looking for them but it is there.
My point of the article is how the techniques affect GU. First let get this straight and out of the way; I'm in no way advocating that Coach E should have his outside influences directing recruits under the table.
But it does affect GU in that because Coach E being high character will try to stay on the clean path, but in this day and age the clean path will make it very difficult to snare those 5* and some of the 4* recruits. There are a few recruits and families (I'm guessing that Otto would have fit this category) that will be interested in the school and what it has to offer but the many are looking for the most direct path to the NBA and some type of compensation while trying to get there. And many of those blue blood programs has those outside hands helping and directing. An given how recruits now follow to a certain group of programs mnay of you could easily guess which ones.
I'm sure many of you could come up with a Top 10 list and in most cases you would be 80 - 90% correct. Now whether or not they get exposed now or in the future or not at all in a whole different issue.
Just be aware of what Coach E is fighting against.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 12:05:40 GMT -5
Prediction: we're going to see some big names and programs get hammered. "...ten years from now." You finished your sentence too soon. Maybe. But methinks hammer-time will occur in a somewhat shorter time frame. In part because of the federal criminal matter. . .the NCAA will be pressured to act faster.
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Post by justsaying on Sept 26, 2017 12:06:06 GMT -5
did not mean to post twice
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Post by Elvado on Sept 26, 2017 12:13:15 GMT -5
Just watched the press conference held by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York The big takeaway? This is just the start. I'd expect to see more coaches/agents/executives/college basketball programs implicated. And the NCAA is going to be just starting up with its investigations. Prediction: we're going to see some big names and programs get hammered. At least it is only a short trip to Lower Canada...
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Post by lucky on Sept 26, 2017 12:18:27 GMT -5
I hope they nail the coaches/programs and the families accepting the bribes. If there are consequences for having your hand out perhaps there will be less hands out. It would also be a dream to see a photo of Calishady in hand cuffs being marched away!
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 26, 2017 12:24:38 GMT -5
From a legal perspective, do you go after the families that accepted the money for tax evasion? You could, but I doubt they'd want to. In the press conference, they are definitely treating the players as the exploited victims. So I'd really doubt it now. You may choose to treat them as victims or you may flip/plea bargain with the students and their families to testify against the corrupt schools and coaches. To treat them solely as "victims" IMHO does a disservice to those student-athletes and schools (Georgetown included) who apparently play by the rules. Someone who knows more of the details tell the story of JT Jr and his conversation/negotiation with Khalid El Amin during his truncated recruitment and how he ended up at UConn. The apocryphal short version I have always heard is that on JT Jr picked him up at National and El Amin asked "how much do I get" and JT Jr turned around and drove him straight back to National. (MODS feel free to delete/edit if this is in violation of board rules).
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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 26, 2017 12:25:55 GMT -5
Just watched the press conference held by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York The big takeaway? This is just the start. I'd expect to see more coaches/agents/executives/college basketball programs implicated. And the NCAA is going to be just starting up with its investigations. Prediction: we're going to see some big names and programs get hammered. Looks like Cleveland State is looking at a couple years of probation.
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