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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 26, 2017 12:27:53 GMT -5
What is interesting about this is that the specter of jail time will likely cause some of these defendants to become cooperative - at that point, the number of people who could be pulled into this could be enormous. But, it's way too early to know at the moment.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 26, 2017 12:33:27 GMT -5
Unless the family somehow found a way to report the 100k then it's definitely possible. But if their family is anything like the majority of families college basketball players come from, something just feels wrong to go after them when its quite likely Pitino and his cronies economically exploited them to get their son to commit. Agreed I don't like it. And the transfer of funds could have been misrepresented, but it seems strange to let them off the hook for clearly doing something to try and maximize the potential return for their child being a good athlete. Don't see how Bowen plays 1 minute of college basketball. Which will probably have an effect on where he lands in the draft. What I mean is without the opportunity to show his abilities in competition he will probably be drafted later in the first round vs him playing this year and having the opportunity to improve his draft positioning, which will potentially cost him several millions of dollars.
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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 26, 2017 12:36:10 GMT -5
Wonder how Bilas will try to spin this, just like he tried to exonerate 'Cuse and UNC! As I interpret the video on ESPN's front page, Bilas is saying that the schools may the ones that have been defrauded. No, I'm not kidding.
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Post by hoya95 on Sept 26, 2017 12:37:47 GMT -5
What is interesting about this is that the specter of jail time will likely cause some of these defendants to become cooperative - at that point, the number of people who could be pulled into this could be enormous. But, it's way too early to know at the moment. They put out a tip line and told people who might be involved, "It's better for you to call us than for us to call you." If that doesn't shake the tree, I don't know what could. We'll see what falls out.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 26, 2017 12:40:23 GMT -5
Wonder how Bilas will try to spin this, just like he tried to exonerate 'Cuse and UNC! As I interpret the video on ESPN's front page, Bilas is saying that the schools may the ones that have been defrauded. No, I'm not kidding. Bilas the lawyer asserting the Sergeant Schultz defense on behalf of the institutions: "I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing!" For NCAA purposes doesn't this equate to lack of institutional control? Universities either knew or should have known of these illegal activities.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 12:42:00 GMT -5
Wonder how Bilas will try to spin this, just like he tried to exonerate 'Cuse and UNC! As I interpret the video on ESPN's front page, Bilas is saying that the schools may the ones that have been defrauded. No, I'm not kidding. You're right. He said that the false certifications of compliance with NCAA rules signed by college athletes, which are relied upon by schools as consideration for athletic scholarships, caused the universities to be defrauded. Looks like he's trying to set up a defense for Louisville, which could be facing the NCAA death penalty for basketball if the allegations as to Bowen's recruitment prove true.
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Post by lucky on Sept 26, 2017 12:42:52 GMT -5
Reading on the Beardown message board, Arizona fans expecting the death penalty.
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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 26, 2017 12:45:58 GMT -5
As I interpret the video on ESPN's front page, Bilas is saying that the schools may the ones that have been defrauded. No, I'm not kidding. Bilas the lawyer asserting the Sergeant Schultz defense on behalf of the institutions: "I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing!" For NCAA purposes doesn't this equate to lack of institutional control? Universities either knew or should have known of these illegal activities. Yeah, it's kind of an interesting position being taken by Bilas. I'm guessing there is a little more nuance than I'm giving him credit for, but based on what we're reading around the web, he's saying: "the schools/shoe companies/handlers give the athletes money in violation of NCAA regulations to get them to attend certain schools; the athletes sign the scholarship paperwork certifying they haven't violated NCAA regulations; the schools have been defrauded by the false certifications signed by the athletes." Have I got that right?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 26, 2017 12:47:43 GMT -5
What is interesting about this is that the specter of jail time will likely cause some of these defendants to become cooperative - at that point, the number of people who could be pulled into this could be enormous. But, it's way too early to know at the moment. Yes...today was just the tip of the iceberg. It's going to be a race to see who flips on who first. Many more college coaches names will be added before it's all over. May take a few years to conclude but in the meantime this could clean up grassroots and college basketball a bit for the foreseeable a future. As a former coach who witnessed a lot of evils and got out because of it, I knew eventually it would catch up to everybody. What I find to be sad is that it took the FBI to do the job that NCAA choose not to do.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 26, 2017 12:51:36 GMT -5
By tonight Bilas will have figured out a way to blame the NCAA for all of this.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Sept 26, 2017 12:53:48 GMT -5
From a legal perspective, do you go after the families that accepted the money for tax evasion? Surely, they declared it.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 12:55:59 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the Louisville basketball form at scout.com is on fire. They largely expect the NCAA to reject the "Stripper-gate" appeal, to levy the death penalty on the UL program, and for Pitino to be out as head coach by sundown.
One poster commented that if every school implicated is then subject to NCAA sanctions, the NCAA tournament will resemble the NIT.
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Post by lucky on Sept 26, 2017 13:04:38 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the Louisville basketball form at scout.com is on fire. They largely expect the NCAA to reject the "Stripper-gate" appeal, to levy the death penalty on the UL program, and for Pitino to be out as head coach by sundown. One poster commented that if every school implicated is then subject to NCAA sanctions, the NCAA tournament will resemble the NIT. We may have post season opportunities!
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 13:07:09 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the Louisville basketball form at scout.com is on fire. They largely expect the NCAA to reject the "Stripper-gate" appeal, to levy the death penalty on the UL program, and for Pitino to be out as head coach by sundown. One poster commented that if every school implicated is then subject to NCAA sanctions, the NCAA tournament will resemble the NIT. We may have post season opportunities! You ran with my set-up line!
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Post by jld54 on Sept 26, 2017 13:08:50 GMT -5
As I interpret the video on ESPN's front page, Bilas is saying that the schools may the ones that have been defrauded. No, I'm not kidding. You're right. He said that the false certifications of compliance with NCAA rules signed by college athletes, which are relied upon by schools as consideration for athletic scholarships, caused the universities to be defrauded. Looks like he's trying to set up a defense for Louisville, which could be facing the NCAA death penalty for basketball if the allegations as to Bowen's recruitment prove true. You gotta be kidding me! Two COACHES are involved in the bribe but the kid mislead the school?
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 13:09:03 GMT -5
Reading on the Beardown message board, Arizona fans expecting the death penalty. Just read the first page on that site. Wow. They're even more depressed than the Louisville faithful.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 26, 2017 13:23:42 GMT -5
As I interpret the video on ESPN's front page, Bilas is saying that the schools may the ones that have been defrauded. No, I'm not kidding. Bilas the lawyer asserting the Sergeant Schultz defense on behalf of the institutions: "I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing!" For NCAA purposes doesn't this equate to lack of institutional control? Universities either knew or should have known of these illegal activities. This guy has always been a moron. He speaks well but can't think for himself and always follows the crowd. Referring to VCU; ESPN's Jay Bilas, though. "I'm not saying I don't care how these kids feel, but I don't care how these kids feel. ... We talk about the eye test, [but] this one fails the laugh test."
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 26, 2017 13:24:42 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the Louisville basketball form at scout.com is on fire. They largely expect the NCAA to reject the "Stripper-gate" appeal, to levy the death penalty on the UL program, and for Pitino to be out as head coach by sundown. One poster commented that if every school implicated is then subject to NCAA sanctions, the NCAA tournament will resemble the NIT. Somewhere coach Pete Bell is smiling.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Sept 26, 2017 13:27:39 GMT -5
This story is just fascinating. With all the talk here about Louisville (for good reason), the other big story for me is obviously Person at Auburn. Frankly, I think Auburn is in all kinds of trouble. Their softball coach resigned/was fired after allegations he and his assistants behaved inappropriately toward players. Now this affects the basketball program. Hard to see how Bruce Pearl isn't done with coaching given the acts here of his top assistant. I would imagine the AD should surely go too. The Louisville story is just a disgrace. A bad day for college sports. Though I'm hardly surprised.
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Post by lucky on Sept 26, 2017 13:31:28 GMT -5
Bilas the lawyer asserting the Sergeant Schultz defense on behalf of the institutions: "I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing!" For NCAA purposes doesn't this equate to lack of institutional control? Universities either knew or should have known of these illegal activities. This guy has always been a moron. He speaks well but can't think for himself and always follows the crowd. Referring to VCU; ESPN's Jay Bilas, though. "I'm not saying I don't care how these kids feel, but I don't care how these kids feel. ... We talk about the eye test, [but] this one fails the laugh test." If you watch Bilas in the video he closes his eyes several times for long periods of time while speaking, a clear sign his brain can't believe what his mouth is spewing!
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