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Post by TC on Feb 23, 2018 9:06:34 GMT -5
Man, I hope Nerlens Noel pays some price for this. I'm still mad about that announcement where they pretended that he was going to Georgetown so he could haircut us on national television.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 23, 2018 9:23:59 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 23, 2018 9:43:09 GMT -5
I see that there are a few Big East schools (Xavier, Seton Hall, Creighton and Villanova) who are referenced in varying degrees in the article. The bigger story may well become which schools were not involved.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 23, 2018 9:44:51 GMT -5
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Post by justsaying on Feb 23, 2018 11:59:51 GMT -5
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Post by IDenj on Feb 23, 2018 12:03:13 GMT -5
So far, a handful of nothing.
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Post by 95hoya on Feb 23, 2018 12:16:29 GMT -5
There's a big difference between players who received money while in college from agents, and those who received in high school to sway an athlete's decision. Can't punish schools for the former.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 23, 2018 12:21:16 GMT -5
Rest assured, Count Chocula will skate. Just like has for the last 19 years on using an ineligible Corey Magette...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 23, 2018 12:38:14 GMT -5
There's a big difference between players who received money while in college from agents, and those who received in high school to sway an athlete's decision. Can't punish schools for the former. Wanna bet? If a player improperly accepts benefits from an agent and therefore becomes ineligible, hasn't the NCAA required forfeiture of games participated in by that player? They may not hit the school with probation or other sanctions, but it is still a penalty. Particularly if there is any indication that the school had, or should have had, knowledge of what was going on. |
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Feb 23, 2018 12:50:57 GMT -5
Duke received no penalty for Myron Piggie's payments to Corey Maggette. UCLA had to forfeit games for Piggie's payments to Jaron Rush. The difference being that Duke claimed no knowledge of the payments.
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Post by 95hoya on Feb 23, 2018 12:53:50 GMT -5
Yeah, and honestly no one cares about forfeiture of past games. Future penalties are what scares programs. Can't punish schools for players taking money from an agent when they have a foot out the door.
Prior to stepping on campus is a different matter.
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Post by iowa80 on Feb 23, 2018 13:19:38 GMT -5
There's a big difference between players who received money while in college from agents, and those who received in high school to sway an athlete's decision. Can't punish schools for the former. I'm not sure if this is your point, but I'm unwilling to absolve schools of responsibility in the first instance in all situations. Certainly, there's a limit to how far a school can/should go in monitoring a player's lifestyle, but there are very likely also instances where there are obvious red flags that a player is receiving money. In that case, willful blindness is no excuse for the school. This is a case-by-case situation. |
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 23, 2018 13:29:42 GMT -5
Funny how a lot of the players on the list were targets of ours that we made their final 5 bit ended up not getting. Guess we couldn't "close the deal" |
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 23, 2018 13:42:30 GMT -5
This is all noise until there is some concrete evidence of coach's directing payments or having knowledge of the payments taking place between players and the agent. My guess is most coaches will claim ignorance, and get away with it. The only info we have right now is that an agent was paying players in hopes of them turning into future clients. So much more has to come out for this to truly be game changing, and who knows how long that will take or if it will happen.
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Post by iowa80 on Feb 23, 2018 13:56:33 GMT -5
This is all noise until there is some concrete evidence of coach's directing payments or having knowledge of the payments taking place between players and the agent. My guess is most coaches will claim ignorance, and get away with it. The only info we have right now is that an agent was paying players in hopes of them turning into future clients. So much more has to come out for this to truly be game changing, and who knows how long that will take or if it will happen. It may be noise regarding future NCAA punishment absent some involvement by the school, but it's not noise in terms of the potential eligibility of players currently in college. How would the loss of Miles Bridges affect MSU? Who else? |
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 23, 2018 13:58:57 GMT -5
There's a big difference between players who received money while in college from agents, and those who received in high school to sway an athlete's decision. Can't punish schools for the former. This is why today's report to me is a big to to about nothing. Yes I am very happy to not see any Georgetown players on there and not that I did. This seems to be a report about kids that got paid who were about to become pros or at least had near term pro potential. We haven't had any of those in a while. I also don't think the NCAA can do much to the schools where the players went. I'm not sure the NCAA could do anything even if the agents said yeah I paid him and told him to go to school X. The schools will just say they had no knowledge of the relationship between the players and the agents. The only way anything happens is if the FBI gets people to roll or they find concrete evidence linking the school. 10 more of these agents spreadsheets could come out and it wouldn't matter IMO. For those that don't know for this is how the "paying players" has worked for the last 2 decades or so. The agents or shoe companies give loans/pay to the players or their parents. The schools no longer have to pay directly like they used to and therefore are a lot more safe. Yes coaches know what's going on but if they are smart they don't leave evidence. I guess the FBI will find out who the smart ones were. |
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 23, 2018 14:01:53 GMT -5
This is all noise until there is some concrete evidence of coach's directing payments or having knowledge of the payments taking place between players and the agent. My guess is most coaches will claim ignorance, and get away with it. The only info we have right now is that an agent was paying players in hopes of them turning into future clients. So much more has to come out for this to truly be game changing, and who knows how long that will take or if it will happen. It may be noise regarding future NCAA punishment absent some involvement by the school, but it's not noise in terms of the potential eligibility of players currently in college. How would the loss of Miles Bridges affect MSU? Who else? They will just ignore it because it's too late for the NCAA to move quickly. So what if wins are vacated at a later date. The NCAA doesn't have much strength here to do much this year. If the Louisville and UNC cases showed us anything its that you don't concede and do the right thing when it comes to the NCAA. You fight them til the bitter end. |
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Post by iowa80 on Feb 23, 2018 14:17:17 GMT -5
It may be noise regarding future NCAA punishment absent some involvement by the school, but it's not noise in terms of the potential eligibility of players currently in college. How would the loss of Miles Bridges affect MSU? Who else? They will just ignore it because it's too late for the NCAA to move quickly. So what if wins are vacated at a later date. The NCAA doesn't have much strength here to do much this year. If the Louisville and UNC cases showed us anything its that you don't concede and do the right thing when it comes to the NCAA. You fight them til the bitter end. That may well be the unfortunate truth, but, at a minimum, I'm going with the fact that this will cast a pall over the present season. There's more obligation here than simply waiting for the NCAA to act. There are now federal investigative documents that apparently name names, to include some presently playing college ball. That knowledge imposes an obligation on the schools themselves to look into the situation. This is not going away, and, if the schools in question choose to ride it out, I don't believe that they'll skate in the minds of anyone other than the most ardent apologists. |
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 23, 2018 14:40:14 GMT -5
They will just ignore it because it's too late for the NCAA to move quickly. So what if wins are vacated at a later date. The NCAA doesn't have much strength here to do much this year. If the Louisville and UNC cases showed us anything its that you don't concede and do the right thing when it comes to the NCAA. You fight them til the bitter end. That may well be the unfortunate truth, but, at a minimum, I'm going with the fact that this will cast a pall over the present season. There's more obligation here than simply waiting for the NCAA to act. There are now federal investigative documents that apparently name names, to include some presently playing college ball. That knowledge imposes an obligation on the schools themselves to look into the situation. This is not going away, and, if the schools in question choose to ride it out, I don't believe that they'll skate in the minds of anyone other than the most ardent apologists. If this was the FBI report players would be pulled right away. This is a Yahoo report that for current players that has them or their parents have dinner with the agent. I'm certainly not pulling a player based on this report and the NCAA has shown through their rulings it doesn't matter if you get out in front of it. If we were a top team in the country and it came out that Jessie's mom allegedly had a $100 dinner with an agent you are just going to pull him right away? That's a good way to lose future recruits. a number of the parents have already come out and said the agents are lying. Who know's what the truth is but I think the coaches have plenty leeway to play dumb on this one. |
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 23, 2018 14:43:31 GMT -5
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