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Post by SSHoya on Sept 27, 2017 11:02:32 GMT -5
Anyone else think that NCAA jumpstarted all of this a couple years ago by contacting the Feds and providing them the evidence they had to jumpstart their investigations? NCAA being toothless and seeing the brazen scandalous behavior of so many schools, may have had a lot circumstantial evidence which was enough to get the FBI to open the investigation? That "We are shocked and appalled" statement the NCAA put out yesterday was very strange to me as it read to me as if they had no idea this was going on within college athletics when they investigate this stuff all the time. They just don't have any real power to do a thorough investigation like the FBI... Years ago I worked for Don Remy, who is the General Counsel at NCAA when he was a Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Civil Division at the Department of Justice. An honest and smart guy but not certain that disciplinary matters are high on his radar. This profile on him doesn't mention the NCAA disciplinary system. modern-counsel.com/2017/ncaa/
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 27, 2017 11:03:15 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 27, 2017 11:06:41 GMT -5
How would you like to be a Louisville player who did not take $$$(if there are any). You are on a Top Ten team, 2 days from the start of a season - and the world comes crashing down. Who is your coach? Can anyone believe that any of the assistants are clean? How many of your teammates will be packing their stuff to go elsewhere? I'm not sure I feel bad for the athletes at Louisville right now. A lot of them like VJ King signed up coming off the heels of a prostitution scandal. They all had many other options as they were some of the best within their class. They took the risk. How do we know which one of them didn't take payoffs to go Louisville. When you lie with dogs...
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Post by upstatesaxa on Sept 27, 2017 11:06:45 GMT -5
If he had any common sense he would call a press conference, insist he had no knowledge and would never ever condone this - then announce he is resigning because it was still under his watch, will be a major hindrance/distraction going forward, wants the school to be able to move past this as soon as possible, blah blah blah. He should go full Swaggart: Beautiful. He actually could have used that last time. Or, the last two times. Not gaining any pleasure out of this debacle. But the schools which cheat inflict small, invisible wounds on their cleaner competitors, lost recruiting battles and games that end up costing good coaches their jobs. Arguably thats what happened to JT3... we saw he could coach when he had talent, and we also saw the numerous recruitments that did not pan out. He's paid a price, and good men like him nd their families and assistants have paid the price. So, thanks to the Effff-Beee-Eye (thanks, Hans Gruber) Pitino gets his turn to pay the price
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Post by 4aks on Sept 27, 2017 11:12:22 GMT -5
How would you like to be a Louisville player who did not take $$$(if there are any). You are on a Top Ten team, 2 days from the start of a season - and the world comes crashing down. Who is your coach? Can anyone believe that any of the assistants are clean? How many of your teammates will be packing their stuff to go elsewhere? I'm not sure I feel bad for the athletes at Louisville right now. A lot of them like VJ King signed up coming off the heels of a prostitution scandal. They all had many other options as they were some of the best within their class. They took the risk. How do we know which one of them didn't take payoffs to go Louisville. When you lie with dogs... New job for JT3 ?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 27, 2017 11:15:35 GMT -5
There may be lawsuits, but ultimately, they'll probably agree on a buyout. I'm sure there is a provision in the contract, but I strongly suspect that Louisville's desire to get this done very quickly is going to make it expensive for them. They're not inclined to wait for the NCAA to figure out what was going on, bring charges, hold hearings, make findings, etc. Unless Pitino has a very weak contract -- which I kind of doubt -- I would think that there would have to some actual findings against him before they could escape the buyout. I wonder who is calling the shots at Louisville now... apparently the president is an interim. For all the wins Pitino brought to Louisville, he has brought a lot of high maintenance headaches the last several years. So it might be best to take an approach similar to the one Baylor recently used against its football coach: fire him for cause, and then let Ricky fight the uphill battle against a well funded institution that, like Baylor, will for the life of the litigation, be trying to climb out of the smoking hole associated with the Pitino regime. Maybe go on offense, the school sues RP in a declaratory judgment action to settle the matter. Schedule Pitino's depositions right away so he has to make the tough choice of having to testify while the FBI's investigation is still going on. If he asserts his Fifth Amendment rights in the civil action, Louisville can use that presumptively against him. He is in a tight box, one that at trial won't get any more comfortable when the university's lawyers keep pounding that he already has received $XX million from the school, and now wants another $YY mil. Doesnt matter and yes as expressed in this thread there is typically some kind of buyout. Apparently Pitino is owed $55 million on the remainder of his contract. And apparently there is a forfeiture provision if he is fired "for cause" - but only if he is given 10 days notice and the opportunity for a hearing.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 27, 2017 11:17:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure I feel bad for the athletes at Louisville right now. A lot of them like VJ King signed up coming off the heels of a prostitution scandal. They all had many other options as they were some of the best within their class. They took the risk. How do we know which one of them didn't take payoffs to go Louisville. When you lie with dogs... New job for JT3 ? Well the thought occurred to me. They need someone with a reputation for integrity - but his recent lack of success would be a problem with the fan base.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 27, 2017 11:18:20 GMT -5
I wonder who is calling the shots at Louisville now... apparently the president is an interim. For all the wins Pitino brought to Louisville, he has brought a lot of high maintenance headaches the last several years. So it might be best to take an approach similar to the one Baylor recently used against its football coach: fire him for cause, and then let Ricky fight the uphill battle against a well funded institution that, like Baylor, will for the life of the litigation, be trying to climb out of the smoking hole associated with the Pitino regime. Maybe go on offense, the school sues RP in a declaratory judgment action to settle the matter. Schedule Pitino's depositions right away so he has to make the tough choice of having to testify while the FBI's investigation is still going on. If he asserts his Fifth Amendment rights in the civil action, Louisville can use that presumptively against him. He is in a tight box, one that at trial won't get any more comfortable when the university's lawyers keep pounding that he already has received $XX million from the school, and now wants another $YY mil. Doesnt matter and yes as expressed in this thread there is typically some kind of buyout. Apparently Pitino is owed $55 million on the remainder of his contract. And apparently there is a forfeiture provision if he is fired "for cause" - but only if he is given 10 days notice and the opportunity for a hearing. Man am I happy Louisville and Syracuse left the BIG EAST....
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 27, 2017 11:22:20 GMT -5
I wonder who is calling the shots at Louisville now... apparently the president is an interim. For all the wins Pitino brought to Louisville, he has brought a lot of high maintenance headaches the last several years. So it might be best to take an approach similar to the one Baylor recently used against its football coach: fire him for cause, and then let Ricky fight the uphill battle against a well funded institution that, like Baylor, will for the life of the litigation, be trying to climb out of the smoking hole associated with the Pitino regime. Maybe go on offense, the school sues RP in a declaratory judgment action to settle the matter. Schedule Pitino's depositions right away so he has to make the tough choice of having to testify while the FBI's investigation is still going on. If he asserts his Fifth Amendment rights in the civil action, Louisville can use that presumptively against him. He is in a tight box, one that at trial won't get any more comfortable when the university's lawyers keep pounding that he already has received $XX million from the school, and now wants another $YY mil. Doesnt matter and yes as expressed in this thread there is typically some kind of buyout. Apparently Pitino is owed $55 million on the remainder of his contract. And apparently there is a forfeiture provision if he is fired "for cause" - but only if he is given 10 days notice and the opportunity for a hearing. According to Pitino's attorney, he has been placed on administrative leave, but has effectively been fired. Clearly the administrative leave is the mechanism through which he received written notice of the charges, and they'll pull the plug after ten days.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 27, 2017 11:23:21 GMT -5
This would be a fun exercise, brought to mind by the legions of syracusefan.com posters certain their school could not possibly be involved in something like this (ignoring the fact that 1.Pitino's first coaching job was under Magoo; 2. Tony Bland was a player at SU; 3. When Hopkins was interviewed for the USC job a couple of years ago he apparently wanted Bland to be his top assistant):
Once the additional schools and coaches are named, go to those forums, scroll back to yesterday and today, and see how many were righteously beating their chests and boasting that they would not be involved.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 27, 2017 11:23:50 GMT -5
Apparently Pitino is owed $55 million on the remainder of his contract. And apparently there is a forfeiture provision if he is fired "for cause" - but only if he is given 10 days notice and the opportunity for a hearing. According to Piton's attorney, he has been placed on administrative leave, but has effectively been fired. Clearly the administrative leave is the mechanism through which he received written notice of the charges, and they'll pull the plug after ten days. Got it, makes sense.
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Post by sleepy on Sept 27, 2017 11:33:51 GMT -5
This would be a fun exercise, brought to mind by the legions of syracusefan.com posters certain their school could not possibly be involved in something like this (ignoring the fact that 1.Pitino's first coaching job was under Magoo; 2. Tony Bland was a player at SU; 3. When Hopkins was interviewed for the USC job a couple of years ago he apparently wanted Bland to be his top assistant): Once the additional schools and coaches are named, go to those forums, scroll back to yesterday and today, and see how many were righteously beating their chests and boasting that they would not be involved. Yea. This is essentially round 1 to get people to flip on those they don't have quite enough evidence to arrest yet. The Nike schools (potentially us included? though I'm not super worried) are the ones that should be getting nervous. They are likely the shoe company mentioned to be outbidding ADIDAS in most of these recruiting battles and once they have something to go after someone there, its the jig will officially be up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 11:39:29 GMT -5
This would be a fun exercise, brought to mind by the legions of syracusefan.com posters certain their school could not possibly be involved in something like this (ignoring the fact that 1.Pitino's first coaching job was under Magoo; 2. Tony Bland was a player at SU; 3. When Hopkins was interviewed for the USC job a couple of years ago he apparently wanted Bland to be his top assistant): Once the additional schools and coaches are named, go to those forums, scroll back to yesterday and today, and see how many were righteously beating their chests and boasting that they would not be involved. Yea. This is essentially round 1 to get people to flip on those they don't have quite enough evidence to arrest yet. The Nike schools (potentially us included? though I'm not super worried) are the ones that should be getting nervous. They are likely the shoe company mentioned to be outbidding ADIDAS in most of these recruiting battles and once they have something to go after someone there, its the jig will officially be up. If we've been cheating, we've been doing a pretty Editeding ty job of it. I'm not worried about us.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 27, 2017 11:39:47 GMT -5
Jurich's daughter was hired by Adidas in March as "brand communications manager" for the University of Louisville contract.
You could not make this stuff up if you tried.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Sept 27, 2017 11:42:42 GMT -5
Yea. This is essentially round 1 to get people to flip on those they don't have quite enough evidence to arrest yet. The Nike schools (potentially us included? though I'm not super worried) are the ones that should be getting nervous. They are likely the shoe company mentioned to be outbidding ADIDAS in most of these recruiting battles and once they have something to go after someone there, its the jig will officially be up. If we've been cheating, we've been doing a pretty Editeding ty job of it. I'm not worried about us. I just laughed pretty hard at this. Well done.
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Post by sleepy on Sept 27, 2017 11:55:09 GMT -5
Also - what is the over/under on Bruce Pearl's lifespan at Auburn?? Bruce can still get his old job back at BC as the Eagle Mascot.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 27, 2017 12:05:41 GMT -5
Greg Postel is the interim university president at Louisville.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 27, 2017 12:07:09 GMT -5
This is surely because they cannot get rid of them for cause without giving them notice, etc. For example, Pitino's contract requires 10 days notice and it must allow him a chance to respond. That's the reason for the leave versus outright firing them. There's no way either one will ever work for Louisville again.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 27, 2017 12:12:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 12:13:08 GMT -5
TFW you think you're paying 100k for a recruit, then you look at the receipt and it says 55 million....
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