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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 27, 2017 9:51:32 GMT -5
If he had any common sense he would call a press conference, insist he had no knowledge and would never ever condone this - then announce he is resigning because it was still under his watch, will be a major hindrance/distraction going forward, wants the school to be able to move past this as soon as possible, blah blah blah. Way too much money on the line. He'll make them fire him. And he'll get paid millions on the way out the door (or within the next few months or year, if they can't reach a deal on the short time-table that they're dealing with right now).
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 27, 2017 9:52:24 GMT -5
Maybe Little Ricky will rat out all of the other coaches with whom he had to $tay competitive.
Nicole Auerbach, who reports on college sports, thinks more names of coaches and schools will be coming out today. Gotta go get me some popcorn to enjoy the show.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 27, 2017 9:57:15 GMT -5
If he had any common sense he would call a press conference, insist he had no knowledge and would never ever condone this - then announce he is resigning because it was still under his watch, will be a major hindrance/distraction going forward, wants the school to be able to move past this as soon as possible, blah blah blah. Way too much money on the line. He'll make them fire him. And he'll get paid millions on the way out the door (or within the next few months or year, if they can't reach a deal on the short time-table that they're dealing with right now). True - the dirt is going to come out in the federal case, so it's not like he can save his reputation. Might as well fight for whatever he can get. Although one wonders whether after the last scandal there is some revised contract language, agreement or similar document that could not only give the school the ironclad right to ax him for any further misdoings in the program, or even give the school grounds D's to sue him for the millions it will lose in connection with this mess.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 27, 2017 9:58:21 GMT -5
Also - what is the over/under on Bruce Pearl's lifespan at Auburn??
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 27, 2017 10:05:40 GMT -5
The heads have started rolling. Tom Jurich is out as AD at Louisville:
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 27, 2017 10:08:00 GMT -5
If he had any common sense he would call a press conference, insist he had no knowledge and would never ever condone this - then announce he is resigning because it was still under his watch, will be a major hindrance/distraction going forward, wants the school to be able to move past this as soon as possible, blah blah blah. Way too much money on the line. He'll make them fire him. And he'll get paid millions on the way out the door (or within the next few months or year, if they can't reach a deal on the short time-table that they're dealing with right now). If the fire him he will have to sue Louisville to get all his money as I'm sure they have a clause in the contract that would negate paying him if he's fired in a scandalous manner and not a wins and losses situation. I can't find the interview but it was just a couple weeks ago Trickey Rickey was saying he felt good and wanted to couch another 15 years. Man life can come at you quickly...
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 27, 2017 10:09:54 GMT -5
1:00pm press conference at Louisville:
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Post by calhoya on Sept 27, 2017 10:17:41 GMT -5
It's a corrupt system and it breeds corruption. Too much money, too much pressure from schools and boosters to win and too many opportunities to cheat and then rely on plausible deniability. Through it all the blame starts with the NCAA's lax oversight and the inability/unwillingness of college presidents to put integrity before dollars.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Sept 27, 2017 10:19:43 GMT -5
While this is probably true the NCAA and the Universities do not have the legal muscle to make non-University affiliated bad actors cooperate. This is the primary reason why law enforcement is able to make this happen.
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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 27, 2017 10:20:50 GMT -5
Way too much money on the line. He'll make them fire him. And he'll get paid millions on the way out the door (or within the next few months or year, if they can't reach a deal on the short time-table that they're dealing with right now). If the fire him he will have to sue Louisville to get all his money as I'm sure they have a clause in the contract that would negate paying him if he's fired in a scandalous manner and not a wins and losses situation. I can't find the interview but it was just a couple weeks ago Trickey Rickey was saying he felt good and wanted to couch another 15 years. Man life can come at you quickly... There may be lawsuits, but ultimately, they'll probably agree on a buyout. I'm sure there is a provision in the contract, but I strongly suspect that Louisville's desire to get this done very quickly is going to make it expensive for them. They're not inclined to wait for the NCAA to figure out what was going on, bring charges, hold hearings, make findings, etc. Unless Pitino has a very weak contract -- which I kind of doubt -- I would think that there would have to some actual findings against him before they could escape the buyout.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 27, 2017 10:27:13 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 27, 2017 10:35:13 GMT -5
If the fire him he will have to sue Louisville to get all his money as I'm sure they have a clause in the contract that would negate paying him if he's fired in a scandalous manner and not a wins and losses situation. I can't find the interview but it was just a couple weeks ago Trickey Rickey was saying he felt good and wanted to couch another 15 years. Man life can come at you quickly... There may be lawsuits, but ultimately, they'll probably agree on a buyout. I'm sure there is a provision in the contract, but I strongly suspect that Louisville's desire to get this done very quickly is going to make it expensive for them. They're not inclined to wait for the NCAA to figure out what was going on, bring charges, hold hearings, make findings, etc. Unless Pitino has a very weak contract -- which I kind of doubt -- I would think that there would have to some actual findings against him before they could escape the buyout. Maybe, but this is not the NCAA starting a years-long investigation. This is the feds - they already have the evidence. So the university could be in a stronger position than usual.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 27, 2017 10:36:57 GMT -5
Anyone else think that NCAA jumpstarted all of this a couple years ago by contacting the Feds and providing them the evidence they had to jumpstart their investigations? NCAA being toothless and seeing the brazen scandalous behavior of so many schools, may have had a lot circumstantial evidence which was enough to get the FBI to open the investigation?
That "We are shocked and appalled" statement the NCAA put out yesterday was very strange to me as it read to me as if they had no idea this was going on within college athletics when they investigate this stuff all the time. They just don't have any real power to do a thorough investigation like the FBI...
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Post by gunny on Sept 27, 2017 10:40:08 GMT -5
Anyone else think that NCAA jumpstarted all of this a couple years ago by contacting the Feds and providing them the evidence they had to jumpstart their investigations? NCAA being toothless and seeing the brazen scandalous behavior of so many schools, may have had a lot circumstantial evidence which was enough to get the FBI to open the investigation? I think you are giving the NCAA too much credit. In the end they turned a blind eye to all of this. I am just hoping that someone can nail the other cheater in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 10:48:38 GMT -5
Have the names of the assistants involved in the cash payments from Louisville are? I ask because Kenny Johnson was the lead for Bowen. Doesn't mean it was him but curious.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 27, 2017 10:50:18 GMT -5
How would you like to be a Louisville player who did not take $$$(if there are any). You are on a Top Ten team, 2 days from the start of a season - and the world comes crashing down. Who is your coach? Can anyone believe that any of the assistants are clean? How many of your teammates will be packing their stuff to go elsewhere?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 27, 2017 10:54:20 GMT -5
How would you like to be a Louisville player who did not take $$$(if there are any). You are on a Top Ten team, 2 days from the start of a season - and the world comes crashing down. Who is your coach? Can anyone believe that any of the assistants are clean? How many of your teammates will be packing their stuff to go elsewhere? Even if they don't officially receive the death penalty from the NCAA, they are effectively dead in the water. What reputable coach is going to coach there, and what recruits are going to go there? Looking on one of their forums, they mention people like Gregg Marshall and Chris Mack as potential coaches. They are living in fantasy land at the moment.
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Post by upstatesaxa on Sept 27, 2017 10:57:47 GMT -5
If the fire him he will have to sue Louisville to get all his money as I'm sure they have a clause in the contract that would negate paying him if he's fired in a scandalous manner and not a wins and losses situation. I can't find the interview but it was just a couple weeks ago Trickey Rickey was saying he felt good and wanted to couch another 15 years. Man life can come at you quickly... There may be lawsuits, but ultimately, they'll probably agree on a buyout. I'm sure there is a provision in the contract, but I strongly suspect that Louisville's desire to get this done very quickly is going to make it expensive for them. They're not inclined to wait for the NCAA to figure out what was going on, bring charges, hold hearings, make findings, etc. Unless Pitino has a very weak contract -- which I kind of doubt -- I would think that there would have to some actual findings against him before they could escape the buyout. I wonder who is calling the shots at Louisville now... apparently the president is an interim. For all the wins Pitino brought to Louisville, he has brought a lot of high maintenance headaches the last several years. So it might be best to take an approach similar to the one Baylor recently used against its football coach: fire him for cause, and then let Ricky fight the uphill battle against a well funded institution that, like Baylor, will for the life of the litigation, be trying to climb out of the smoking hole associated with the Pitino regime. Maybe go on offense, the school sues RP in a declaratory judgment action to settle the matter. Schedule Pitino's depositions right away so he has to make the tough choice of having to testify while the FBI's investigation is still going on. If he asserts his Fifth Amendment rights in the civil action, Louisville can use that presumptively against him. He is in a tight box, one that at trial won't get any more comfortable when the university's lawyers keep pounding that he already has received $XX million from the school, and now wants another $YY mil. Doesnt matter and yes as expressed in this thread there is typically some kind of buyout.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 27, 2017 10:58:32 GMT -5
Have the names of the assistants involved in the cash payments from Louisville are? I ask because Kenny Johnson was the lead for Bowen. Doesn't mean it was him but curious. Until all the info comes out and the investigation is concluded, Kenny Johnson is guilty by association. I don't know how another head coach takes a chance on anyone on the Louisville staff. It could be years before all this over...
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Post by hoya95 on Sept 27, 2017 10:59:13 GMT -5
How would you like to be a Louisville player who did not take $$$(if there are any). You are on a Top Ten team, 2 days from the start of a season - and the world comes crashing down. Who is your coach? Can anyone believe that any of the assistants are clean? How many of your teammates will be packing their stuff to go elsewhere? Even if they don't officially receive the death penalty from the NCAA, they are effectively dead in the water. What reputable coach is going to coach there, and what recruits are going to go there? Looking on one of their forums, they mention people like Gregg Marshall and Chris Mack as potential coaches. They are living in fantasy land at the moment. In the short term, the least of their concerns may be a new coach. If they were paying six figures for recruits, what kind of payroll do they have? And will they have any eligible scholarship players left by the end of the week?
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