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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 18, 2017 16:42:41 GMT -5
He seems vastly underrated and I bet he starts as a freshman at some point, if not immediately. We lose Dickerson and Mulmore next year, so it's down to McClung, Mosely, and Blair. Plenty of minutes.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 18, 2017 16:49:02 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see where he ends up in the final class rankings. His dunking reels are getting more and more national attention. I think he'll be around #125.
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Post by turbohoya on Dec 18, 2017 17:33:41 GMT -5
Similarities: both white guards with above average/elite athleticism Differences: everything else... Allen was a McD AA who dominated elite competition at his position both in HS an AAU circuits... I am not sure you would find them so similar where they not white either by the way - a 6'2" guard and a 6'4" guard don't often get called strikingly similar only because they can rip off highlight reel dunks... Wow. I'm not sure what generated this type of response. I saw striking similarities in their games, demeanor, effort, fight, intensity, and athleticism. I would never, ever bring a color comparison into the discussion. A real shame you did. Maybe I am missing the something in your response but you compared a 6'4" shooting guard that was a McD AA and blue chip recruit next to a guy that has not played nearly the same competition or achieved a whole lot when he has ('17 Adidas Uprising w Team Loaded he avg. 6pts on 38% overall shooting, 35% from 3, 2.4 R and 1.9 A + 1.9 TO for an even 1 A/TO ratio) but you saw "demeanor, effort, fight, intensity, and athleticism" that made you think of Grayson Allen!?!? |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 18, 2017 17:46:53 GMT -5
He will start from day one. We don't have anyone better at guard. Maybe, Mosely gets the nod for a token game or two.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 18, 2017 18:03:42 GMT -5
Wow. I'm not sure what generated this type of response. I saw striking similarities in their games, demeanor, effort, fight, intensity, and athleticism. I would never, ever bring a color comparison into the discussion. A real shame you did. Maybe I am missing the something in your response but you compared a 6'4" shooting guard that was a McD AA and blue chip recruit next to a guy that has not played nearly the same competition or achieved a whole lot when he has ('17 Adidas Uprising w Team Loaded he avg. 6pts on 38% overall shooting, 35% from 3, 2.4 R and 1.9 A + 1.9 TO for an even 1 A/TO ratio) but you saw "demeanor, effort, fight, intensity, and athleticism" that made you think of Grayson Allen!?!? You turned this is into a shameful commentary on color and race. Not me. My reaction to watching Mac's past few highlight clips was simple. Mac reminds me of watching Grayson Allen's highlight clips coming out of high school, McD AA highlights, and dunk contests. To me, very similar players. If someone compared Govan's game to Othella's, would you blast it because both players happen to be African-American and conclude that the only reason for the comparison was because of similar skin color? You really surprise me on this one. Out of left field. |
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Post by TC on Dec 18, 2017 19:55:22 GMT -5
Maybe I am missing the something in your response but you compared a 6'4" shooting guard that was a McD AA and blue chip recruit next to a guy that has not played nearly the same competition or achieved a whole lot when he has ('17 Adidas Uprising w Team Loaded he avg. 6pts on 38% overall shooting, 35% from 3, 2.4 R and 1.9 A + 1.9 TO for an even 1 A/TO ratio) but you saw "demeanor, effort, fight, intensity, and athleticism" that made you think of Grayson Allen!?!? Grayson Allen averaged 5.8 points per game, 1.8 rebounds, 1.4 A and 1 TO per game for Southern Stampede. www.draftexpress.com/profile/Grayson-Allen-71570/career/ |
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 18, 2017 20:05:46 GMT -5
Maybe I am missing the something in your response but you compared a 6'4" shooting guard that was a McD AA and blue chip recruit next to a guy that has not played nearly the same competition or achieved a whole lot when he has ('17 Adidas Uprising w Team Loaded he avg. 6pts on 38% overall shooting, 35% from 3, 2.4 R and 1.9 A + 1.9 TO for an even 1 A/TO ratio) but you saw "demeanor, effort, fight, intensity, and athleticism" that made you think of Grayson Allen!?!? Grayson Allen averaged 5.8 points per game, 1.8 rebounds, 1.4 A and 1 TO per game for Southern Stampede. www.draftexpress.com/profile/Grayson-Allen-71570/career/No he didn't. He dominated AAU. Guards who average 5 a game don't make the McDonald's game. I don't have a good comparison, but he's nothing like Allen. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 18, 2017 20:29:56 GMT -5
Hopefully they don't have similar footwork.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 18, 2017 23:27:15 GMT -5
Do you see him as a point guard, or is he just an outstanding,Very athletic player with incredible hops?
I like all the highlights but don't think Ive heard him described as a point guard. Never much talk about his handle, passing, or court vision.
I am not being critical and I'm very glad he's ours.
Bigs, I'm not sure I agree that he will start from the git go!
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Post by prhoya on Dec 19, 2017 0:17:48 GMT -5
Do you see him as a point guard, or is he just an outstanding,Very athletic player with incredible hops? I like all the highlights but don't think Ive heard him described as a point guard. Never much talk about his handle, passing, or court vision. I am not being critical and I'm very glad he's ours. Bigs, I'm not sure I agree that he will start from the git go! He does it all. Some of the articles mention it. The question is can he do it against high major competition. I'm going to say yes. |
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Post by kbones17 on Dec 19, 2017 0:47:05 GMT -5
I love Mac and think he will become a good player for us. But it’s putting too much on him to expect him to start from game 1 next year. I personally think we desperately need another ball handling guard for next years team. Either an impact recruit (sprIng, or late recommit) or a grad transfer. Our backcourt is looking very thin for 2018 and, as we saw on Saturday, ball-handling is absolutely critical to win the close games.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 19, 2017 10:15:17 GMT -5
He'll be a great PG by year 4. He shouldn't have that load on his shoulders for a full season his freshman year. Give him time to adjust to the athletic changes then focus on his vision the next few years.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 19, 2017 10:34:34 GMT -5
Who do you start at PG, if not Mac? Unless we land someone, he is the best we've got.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 11:24:53 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 19, 2017 12:05:55 GMT -5
Who do you start at PG, if not Mac? Unless we land someone, he is the best we've got. I'll take an upperclassman Jagan for the majority of minutes. Mac will definitely get time at both spots and if he beats Jagan so be it but I'd rather bet on an upperclassman developing and refining their PG skills then a freshman. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 19, 2017 12:17:10 GMT -5
I like Jagan, but I don't see anything he does better than Mac. If McClung starts, it's because of necessity. Our cupboards are bare.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 19, 2017 12:22:56 GMT -5
I like Jagan, but I don't see anything he does better than Mac. If McClung starts, it's because of necessity. Our cupboards are bare. On the flipside, I don't see anything as a true PG that Mac does better then Jagan. I'm betting more on development then current skill and I believe a player already on campus is more likely to develop then a High School player. Cupboards are very bare; Hope we get a true PG and this can be put to sleep. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 12:22:58 GMT -5
Still a long way to go for both players plus room for more additions....
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Post by turbohoya on Dec 19, 2017 12:35:45 GMT -5
Maybe I am missing the something in your response but you compared a 6'4" shooting guard that was a McD AA and blue chip recruit next to a guy that has not played nearly the same competition or achieved a whole lot when he has ('17 Adidas Uprising w Team Loaded he avg. 6pts on 38% overall shooting, 35% from 3, 2.4 R and 1.9 A + 1.9 TO for an even 1 A/TO ratio) but you saw "demeanor, effort, fight, intensity, and athleticism" that made you think of Grayson Allen!?!? You turned this is into a shameful commentary on color and race. Not me. My reaction to watching Mac's past few highlight clips was simple. Mac reminds me of watching Grayson Allen's highlight clips coming out of high school, McD AA highlights, and dunk contests. To me, very similar players. If someone compared Govan's game to Othella's, would you blast it because both players happen to be African-American and conclude that the only reason for the comparison was because of similar skin color? You really surprise me on this one. Out of left field. Well, Harrington and Govan would be another pretty far fetched comparison, given that their games are so dissimilar it's hard to find any commonality. Harrington was one of the top recruits in his class and made a living as an undersized center both in College and the NBA - I don't think he took a single 3 in college... Govan, perhaps in a sign of the times, is happier facing the basket and taking 3s and the jury is out whether he can be an NBA prospect of any kind. You tell me what makes you think of Harrington when you see Govan... not just similarities mind you "striking ones".. and by the way, "demeanor, effort, fight, intensity, and athleticism" don't match up here at all because O brought more of all those every game than Jessie ever has... not a knock on Jessie, just a compliment to a guy who carved out a 13 year NBA career |
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Post by hoyas315 on Dec 19, 2017 13:12:07 GMT -5
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