RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Jun 15, 2020 15:26:22 GMT -5
Number of 2021 offers by Big East school, per Verbal Commits. There's a trend here. Butler: 6 for 3 open spots Villanova 9 for 5 Connecticut 13 for 4 Creighton 14 for 4 Providence 18 for 3 Marquette 22 for 5 Seton Hall 24 for 5 St. John's 26 for 3 DePaul 40 for 3 Xavier 41 for 6 Georgetown 44 for 4 This is just the active offers too--kids that we offered but that have already chosen a different school (Ike Cornish, Benny Williams, Kowacie Reeves, Dontrez Styles, Julian Reese, et. al) are not included. We've certainly put a lot of offers out there in this class. It makes your "Why don't we just offer the entire Rivals 150?" question seem a little less extreme. All that really matters is winning some of these. It costs nothing to offer a player and you don't get points for making Top 5s or Top 10s. This class is critical. If our recruiting doesn't tick up over the next 9 months and the team struggles on the court the way we all fear, support for this staff is going to plummet for all but the most diehard Ewing loyalists. In a job that's as dependent on momentum as this one, it'll be really difficult to rally back if we fall that far. |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jun 15, 2020 15:37:21 GMT -5
Number of 2021 offers by Big East school, per Verbal Commits. There's a trend here. Butler: 6 for 3 open spots Villanova 9 for 5 Connecticut 13 for 4 Creighton 14 for 4 Providence 18 for 3 Marquette 22 for 5 Seton Hall 24 for 5 St. John's 26 for 3 DePaul 40 for 3 Xavier 41 for 6 Georgetown 44 for 4 PE and staff are putting in work, never leave a stone un-turned. At the end of the day it will speak volumes when my 2-3 stars beat your 4-5 stars. So far, our 2-3 stars haven't been winning against 4-5 stars. Will our player development improve to the point where they will? Jury might be out, but I think we have a fair idea of the verdict by now. But back to DFW's post for a second. Casting a wide net means nothing if the net isn't reeling in anyone worthwhile. Is the staff adequately keeping tabs on all 44 of those players offered? Seems like it'd be tough to make all those kids feel like they're a priority. And if a kid is deciding between schools that have made him a priority vs. those that have just floated an offer and not done much else... well we've seen how that's worked for us in 3+ years. |
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Post by hoyanewyorka on Jun 15, 2020 16:10:10 GMT -5
Number of 2021 offers by Big East school, per Verbal Commits. There's a trend here. Butler: 6 for 3 open spots Villanova 9 for 5 Connecticut 13 for 4 Creighton 14 for 4 Providence 18 for 3 Marquette 22 for 5 Seton Hall 24 for 5 St. John's 26 for 3 DePaul 40 for 3 Xavier 41 for 6 Georgetown 44 for 4 46 for 4 SF Nate Santos & PF Jay Billingsley were offered for 2021 |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 15, 2020 20:37:18 GMT -5
Georgetown interest. The unlimited upside of Jabari Smith. He was a standout earlier this month at the USA Basketball Next Generation Camp and was even better on Friday night. Looking every bit the part of 6-foot-9 with tremendous length, fluidity to his movements and a feel for the game, Smith is what a pro looks like at the age of 15. He can slide between spots in the frontcourt, make shots from off of the catch and off of the pull, and finish in the lane. Ranked 33rd in America, it won’t be much longer before he receives the coveted five-star rating as, for the hot take of the night, is potentially one of the five best sophomore prospects in America. Holding nine offers with his most recent coming from Georgetown, Smith, whose father Jabari Smith Sr. played at LSU, noted new interest from Louisville and Michigan State. He also stated that Florida State and Georgia have been the most consistent in their recruiting efforts with him. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/jabari-smith-prepares-for-his-national-emergence-recruitment-takes-formmith told 247Sports there are seven schools that he feels like have made him priority. “Definitely Georgia has prioritized me a lot, definitely Tennessee, LSU, Auburn has,” Smith said. “I’m supposed to get on a Zoom call with Auburn in a couple of days, maybe a week or so. Also Georgia Tech has been on me pretty hard. They’ve been on me since the beginning. They’ve been on me hard. Ole Miss has been on me too.” Once schools are allowed to host prospects for visits again, Smith is looking to visit LSU and Auburn. 247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Jabari-Smith-North-Carolina-Auburn-Tennessee-Georgia-Georgia-Tech-LSU-Alabama-148185226/ |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 15, 2020 23:11:11 GMT -5
Number of 2021 offers by Big East school, per Verbal Commits. There's a trend here. Butler: 6 for 3 open spots Villanova 9 for 5 Connecticut 13 for 4 Creighton 14 for 4 Providence 18 for 3 Marquette 22 for 5 Seton Hall 24 for 5 St. John's 26 for 3 DePaul 40 for 3 Xavier 41 for 6 Georgetown 44 for 4 57 offers total for Georgetown, 47 that haven’t already cut Georgetown, based on my tracking. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CtUgTwapB5rCvc7Dm6GIMQ-GaSRoUUjB12mSM9evPC4/edit |
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Post by mdtd on Jun 16, 2020 0:27:58 GMT -5
Number of 2021 offers by Big East school, per Verbal Commits. There's a trend here. Butler: 6 for 3 open spots Villanova 9 for 5 Connecticut 13 for 4 Creighton 14 for 4 Providence 18 for 3 Marquette 22 for 5 Seton Hall 24 for 5 St. John's 26 for 3 DePaul 40 for 3 Xavier 41 for 6 Georgetown 44 for 4 57 offers total for Georgetown, 47 that haven’t already cut Georgetown, based on my tracking. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CtUgTwapB5rCvc7Dm6GIMQ-GaSRoUUjB12mSM9evPC4/editThat is a lot of offers. Hopefully we can land one soon and build some momentum, but man that's a lot. I know the staff will lock in on some, but man they have offered a lot of guys. Hopefully this means no scrambling late. Whatever it takes to get your guys who will win us games, I'm all good with. But this seems to be an odd approach that they've tried many times and doesn't work. But, if they get guys by doing this, I'm not going to complain one bit. It just seems to be repeating the cycle. Also, something to add is Butler already has two commits for the upcoming class. So, if we add in guys committed (ik Seton Hall and DePaul have someone committed, nothing about anyone else though) their ratio is 8 for 5 and Nova is 9 for 5 which is a completely different approach and really locking in on your guys. Idk if I'm alone, but that really amazed me in how locked in they are on their guys this early. |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 16, 2020 0:48:55 GMT -5
That is a lot of offers. Hopefully we can land one soon and build some momentum, but man that's a lot. I know the staff will lock in on some, but man they have offered a lot of guys. Hopefully this means no scrambling late. Whatever it takes to get your guys who will win us games, I'm all good with. But this seems to be an odd approach that they've tried many times and doesn't work. But, if they get guys by doing this, I'm not going to complain one bit. It just seems to be repeating the cycle. Also, something to add is Butler already has two commits for the upcoming class. So, if we add in guys committed (ik Seton Hall and DePaul have someone committed, nothing about anyone else though) their ratio is 8 for 5 and Nova is 9 for 5 which is a completely different approach and really locking in on your guys. Idk if I'm alone, but that really amazed me in how locked in they are on their guys this early. We have discussed this at length here over the past couple of years. There are different approaches to recruiting. Some coaches reach out to a lot of players but only extend an offer to a select few, other coaches extend an offer as a way to start building a relationship with players. Additionally, Villanova is at a level where they can be selective and only offer players they really really like or that they know are going to commit. There’s nothing wrong with Ewing’s approach to extending offers. Maybe if/when Georgetown is more successful he might have to pare things down a little more. But right now I don’t think there is an issue with the number of offers he is extending, since as we saw in the class of 2020, a subset of players that receive offers become obvious priorities of the staff. Now, there could certainly be a debate about which players become priorities, where those players are located geographically, where those players are ranked, what position the players play, and the role of the coaching staff in recruiting the players. But I haven’t seen any evidence that more offers means anything other than a certain recruiting approach and not being a top 10ish program. |
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Post by mdtd on Jun 16, 2020 11:39:49 GMT -5
That is a lot of offers. Hopefully we can land one soon and build some momentum, but man that's a lot. I know the staff will lock in on some, but man they have offered a lot of guys. Hopefully this means no scrambling late. Whatever it takes to get your guys who will win us games, I'm all good with. But this seems to be an odd approach that they've tried many times and doesn't work. But, if they get guys by doing this, I'm not going to complain one bit. It just seems to be repeating the cycle. Also, something to add is Butler already has two commits for the upcoming class. So, if we add in guys committed (ik Seton Hall and DePaul have someone committed, nothing about anyone else though) their ratio is 8 for 5 and Nova is 9 for 5 which is a completely different approach and really locking in on your guys. Idk if I'm alone, but that really amazed me in how locked in they are on their guys this early. We have discussed this at length here over the past couple of years. There are different approaches to recruiting. Some coaches reach out to a lot of players but only extend an offer to a select few, other coaches extend an offer as a way to start building a relationship with players. Additionally, Villanova is at a level where they can be selective an only offer player they really really like or that they know are going to commit. There’s nothing wrong with Ewing’s approach to extending offers. Maybe if/when Georgetown is more successful he might have to pare things down a little more. But right now I don’t think there is an issue with the number of offers he extending, since as we saw in the class of 2020, a subset of players that receive offers become obvious priorities of the staff. Now, there could certainly be a debate about which players become priorities, where those players are located geographically, where those players are ranked, what position the players play, and he role of the coaching staff in recruiting the players. But I haven’t seen any evidence that more offers means anything other than a certain recruiting approach and not being a top 10ish program. This makes sense. My thing was more "I wanted to see change and this doesn't seem like it" than "our approach has always sucked." IDK maybe I'm grasping at straws and overreacting to something small, but it's just that I want some change in how we operate. Sending out offers to local prospects for the 2022 class is a very god start imo. That and 57 this early really seems like a ton, but at the end of the day, if the team lands talent I will not complain whatsoever. |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 16, 2020 11:50:50 GMT -5
We have discussed this at length here over the past couple of years. There are different approaches to recruiting. Some coaches reach out to a lot of players but only extend an offer to a select few, other coaches extend an offer as a way to start building a relationship with players. Additionally, Villanova is at a level where they can be selective an only offer player they really really like or that they know are going to commit. There’s nothing wrong with Ewing’s approach to extending offers. Maybe if/when Georgetown is more successful he might have to pare things down a little more. But right now I don’t think there is an issue with the number of offers he extending, since as we saw in the class of 2020, a subset of players that receive offers become obvious priorities of the staff. Now, there could certainly be a debate about which players become priorities, where those players are located geographically, where those players are ranked, what position the players play, and he role of the coaching staff in recruiting the players. But I haven’t seen any evidence that more offers means anything other than a certain recruiting approach and not being a top 10ish program. This makes sense. My thing was more "I wanted to see change and this doesn't seem like it" than "our approach has always sucked." IDK maybe I'm grasping at straws and overreacting to something small, but it's just that I want some change in how we operate. Sending out offers to local prospects for the 2022 class is a very god start imo. That and 57 this early really seems like a ton, but at the end of the day, if the team lands talent I will not complain whatsoever. I totally hear you, and there are already 32 offers out to the class of 2022. But I think your concern more touches on the who/how the staff prioritizes recruits, which is a part of the approach that deserves scrutiny given the uneven recruiting results of this staff. |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 16, 2020 21:13:32 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 17, 2020 10:24:31 GMT -5
Interesting that we're pursuing quite a few 2021 PGs. I assume Patrick has taken to the theory that you can't have enough point guards since most today can also score.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 17, 2020 11:42:23 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 17, 2020 14:36:30 GMT -5
2021 Bullis (MD) PG Erik Reynolds
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 17, 2020 14:37:34 GMT -5
2021 Virginia Episcopal/Team Parsons 6’1 PG Darius Johnson
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Post by RBHoya on Jun 17, 2020 15:05:53 GMT -5
Good to see us offer 2021 PG Darius Johnson from Episcopal. Not ranked right now but recently offered by Alabama and Florida after having received offers from Wake and Seton Hall in the spring. Recruitment trending upwards.
Some highlights from a game last year:
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 17, 2020 18:08:44 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 18, 2020 11:36:45 GMT -5
Good to see us offer 2021 PG Darius Johnson from Episcopal. Not ranked right now but recently offered by Alabama and Florida after having received offers from Wake and Seton Hall in the spring. Recruitment trending upwards. Some highlights from a game last year: |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 18, 2020 12:01:29 GMT -5
Malachi Smith
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 18, 2020 15:26:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 16:36:32 GMT -5
Since Coach Ewing has gotten off to a good start with recruting the 21, 22 and even the 23 kids, I expect that the coaching staff will start the relationship building process with a few of the kids over the next few months. This relationship building should payoff and we should start to see Coach Ewing get a few more 4 stars in his recruitment in the next coming seasons. Also, I see someone has posted the number of local kids the staff have on their recruitment list. This is good and if we can get one or two, three or four of the tops guys in the next couple of years and make some noise in the Big East, we should be on our way to rebuilding that Georgetown Hoyas brand. I like the fact that they are casting a "wide net". They have got to get the name in these kids ears early as oppose to late in the recruitment cycle and they have got to start building some relationships early as well. Plant the seed now, nurture and the flower will blossom later.
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