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Post by TC on Jan 29, 2020 10:46:18 GMT -5
I fixed it for you. I think people thinking that Ewing is ensconced in this position for 6-7 years forget how quickly public sentiment can change and how it can reach a tipping point that even a supportive administration needs to respond to. Things change fast
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 29, 2020 10:50:22 GMT -5
Pat got us the personnel we needed to win in three recruiting cycles. Losing four key players killed us. Not sure it’s all on Pat, but he needs to quickly right the ship. As of now, it looks like we will be at the bottom of the league again next year. We don’t have the talent right now to compete in the league. Did he? We had a lot of players but the team wasn't any good. The coaching is very clearly garbage but the team building and management aspect of the job seems to be over his head as well. In my view, the only hope is that he hires coordinators to handle all the actual coaching, a coordinator to develop a coherent team building strategy, and then let Ewing loose to try to close the deal with targeted recruits. I think if we were realistic and strategic with the recruiting, Ewing and to some degree the GU name makes for a good closing argument,
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 29, 2020 11:14:38 GMT -5
I still think it is too soon to evaluate Ewing's tenure as a coach. Yes this is year three but you have to throw out year one since he inherited a true disaster and did not have the lead time to recruit out of it. I see last year as his first year and at 9-9 and an NIT invite you can say he made progress. That brings us to this year. Forget the x's and o's, the transfers pretty well limited his ability to show what he can do as a coach. When you have to bring in Muresan to replace Pickett it shows that the cupboard is empty. But it does raise the even more important question as to Ewing's recruiting ability. How do the loses of so many players over the past 3 years reflect a fundamental flaw in Ewing's player evaluation/judgement? I think this will be the issue that eventually drives Patrick off the hilltop. I think he rushed the process of rebuilding - should have recruited more carefully, but getting us out of the smoldering heap of the last few JT3 years required drastic actions. So he took a chance on a bunch of late and decomitted signees, and that has unfortunately become his M.O., recruiting-wise. Real time, it was hard to argue against - these were very good players. But building a solid program takes time, and recruiting the right types of players for your system takes time and patience. Neither of which he allowed himself when filling out the roster. Frankly, I'm somewhat impressed that at this stage of things he and the staff are still pulling in quality recruits. Hopefully, having the time to spend evaluating the incoming talent, both on and off the court, will avoid the personnel issues that have plagued his time here. I am with you on this thought. Pat wanted to quickly rebuild and took some players that were not considering Georgetown prior to getting squeezed late in the recruiting cycle. I am not blaming Ewing because he wanted to get the Hoyas back asap and build early support from the community. However, in retrospect, it was not a good strategy. He will get more time, because the admin has no appetite for change, so I am hoping he is properly vetting the recruits he is pursuing now or he will simply repeat the cycle.
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 29, 2020 12:06:42 GMT -5
Just my opinion, but the issue for the Board will be the same as it was with JTIII -- do you think the guy you have is capable of digging us out of the hole, or are we better off starting over with someone else, knowing that we are probably buying at least two more years of pain with the new guy. If the Board ever has to make that decision (very possibly after next year), it will be a tough call due to Patrick's stature and the Pops factor, plus everything hasn't been his fault. From what I've observed and heard, the university really wanted Patrick to take the job, and they have little enthusiasm for coaching searches. That's why I tend to agree with the "peaceful exit" theory -- if the relationship ends, it will be because Patrick smells the coffee and decides to move on.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 29, 2020 12:42:25 GMT -5
The season has turned into a little bit of a dumpster fire, due to the manpower shortages engendered by the transfers of Akinjo/LeBlanc/Alexander/Gardner. We can debate how much of that lies at the feet of the coaching staff, including Patrick Ewing. However, I don't know how anyone can evaluate the coaching job presently being done, because there isn't any depth to this team. It's easy to criticize the coaching strategy when Sean McDermott is left open for uncontested three after uncontested three...but what alternatives did Ewing have when Pickett was unable to keep McDermott in check? It's also easy to assume that this team will continue to reside at the bottom of the Big East Conference standings next season. Things can also change dramatically if the incoming recruits can step right in and contribute in a positive manner.
It is disconcerting that we are still waiting for things to improve. That being written, as hard as this may be for some on this board to believe, Georgetown basketball may never again approach the level of excellence to which we were accustomed, and indeed by which we were spoiled, in the 1980s and 1990s. This is as much a function of how the college basketball universe has been altered by the one-and-dones and the recruiting boundaries which are routinely abused by "rogue" programs (which shall remain nameless). Georgetown is not likely to follow the path of least resistance, and dive into the sludge-filled end of the recruiting pool. Maybe we, as program supporters, have to accept that the Hoya basketball program may not be well suited to continued participation at the highest level of competition.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 29, 2020 13:15:04 GMT -5
The season has turned into a little bit of a dumpster fire, due to the manpower shortages engendered by the transfers of Akinjo/LeBlanc/Alexander/Gardner. We can debate how much of that lies at the feet of the coaching staff, including Patrick Ewing. However, I don't know how anyone can evaluate the coaching job presently being done, because there isn't any depth to this team. It's easy to criticize the coaching strategy when Sean McDermott is left open for uncontested three after uncontested three...but what alternatives did Ewing have when Pickett was unable to keep McDermott in check? It's also easy to assume that this team will continue to reside at the bottom of the Big East Conference standings next season. Things can also change dramatically if the incoming recruits can step right in and contribute in a positive manner. It is disconcerting that we are still waiting for things to improve. That being written, as hard as this may be for some on this board to believe, Georgetown basketball may never again approach the level of excellence to which we were accustomed, and indeed by which we were spoiled, in the 1980s and 1990s. This is as much a function of how the college basketball universe has been altered by the one-and-dones and the recruiting boundaries which are routinely abused by "rogue" programs (which shall remain nameless). Georgetown is not likely to follow the path of least resistance, and dive into the sludge-filled end of the recruiting pool. Maybe we, as program supporters, have to accept that the Hoya basketball program may not be well suited to continued participation at the highest level of competition. You make some valid points. I completely agree that the departures make things very difficult for this season. There's only so much you can do. That said, I think on defense particularly, that excuse just does not fly. If Pickett is out of position consistently for threes, that means he is not being coached effectively. Clearly, Ewing does not want Pickett (or anybody else) to leave guys wide open for threes. But, it's up to Ewing to coach them up so that does not happen. And, I do not think this is a depleted roster problem. Our Big East defensive efficiency has been 9th, 9th, and now 10th. Overall, our defense has been 119, 103, and this year 105. This is not a new problem, yet there has been little, if any, improvement, and there has been little, if any, change in approach over the last three seasons. It would be one thing if we were trying a bunch of things to see if they worked, but we are not. I do think it's unrealistic to get back to where we were in in the 1980s or 1990s. In the modern game, few programs are that dominant. I do think a realistic goal is putting our team in a position to be competitive for the tournament every year, though, as we were before JT3 went off the rails. That's a very attainable goal. Other programs like Xavier, Butler, etc. seem to be tournament competitive most years. We can clearly achieve that level of success, we just have not now in 5 years. So yes, I can resign myself to the fact that we will not be competitive for the championship every year. But, I refuse to acknowledge we cannot be a highly competitive tournament team, while maintaining some semblance of ethics. As I have said before, much of the battle is simply getting to the tournament, because once you are there a lot of things can happen. And, other teams do it consistently, so why can't we do it? That's a very realistic goal, even in today's game.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 29, 2020 13:35:10 GMT -5
If the admin isn’t willing to admit a mistake and move quickly from this mess, GU basketball is doomed. Ewing's contract becomes an interesting decision point in the near future. I'm going to assume Ewing got a 5 year deal. If he doesn't have an extension in year 4, it's going to get harder and harder to recruit. So we'll either have to bite the bullet and give him a 2 year extension (at presumably less money?) or maybe Ewing chooses to resign if he doesn't get a new deal because he knows it's over. I really think that was what lead Mullin and St. Johns to go separate ways. The AD didn't want to give him an extension, his top assistant coach (who was spearheading recruiting) left, and he realized it was going to end badly so they agreed to part ways. Now that was a different AD than the one who hired Mullin, we still have Lee Reed so maybe he won't admit defeat. But if Ewing doesn't get an extension this offseason (and to be clear he hasn't really earned one) we'll start to get a few clues I don’t recall exactly, but is it you who has mentioned Pat’s contract extension and its effect on recruiting several times? Let me tell you that if you think anyone he recruits, their families, the students, alumni, etc... will be informed about the status of his contract and any future plans, you haven’t followed years and years of GU Basketball. AD Reed has nothing to do with any basketball related matters. It’s JT2’s Department. The only way to get a vague idea re: his contract will be by looking at the annual GU financials where the top earning university officials have to be disclosed. That’s how JT3 got into the really hot seat with the fanbase/alumni/students. It will be up to Pat to spill the beans.
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 29, 2020 14:13:31 GMT -5
The season has turned into a little bit of a dumpster fire, due to the manpower shortages engendered by the transfers of Akinjo/LeBlanc/Alexander/Gardner. We can debate how much of that lies at the feet of the coaching staff, including Patrick Ewing. However, I don't know how anyone can evaluate the coaching job presently being done, because there isn't any depth to this team. It's easy to criticize the coaching strategy when Sean McDermott is left open for uncontested three after uncontested three...but what alternatives did Ewing have when Pickett was unable to keep McDermott in check? It's also easy to assume that this team will continue to reside at the bottom of the Big East Conference standings next season. Things can also change dramatically if the incoming recruits can step right in and contribute in a positive manner. It is disconcerting that we are still waiting for things to improve. That being written, as hard as this may be for some on this board to believe, Georgetown basketball may never again approach the level of excellence to which we were accustomed, and indeed by which we were spoiled, in the 1980s and 1990s. This is as much a function of how the college basketball universe has been altered by the one-and-dones and the recruiting boundaries which are routinely abused by "rogue" programs (which shall remain nameless). Georgetown is not likely to follow the path of least resistance, and dive into the sludge-filled end of the recruiting pool. Maybe we, as program supporters, have to accept that the Hoya basketball program may not be well suited to continued participation at the highest level of competition. Well said. I wonder if the elders at GU have already reached that conclusion.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 29, 2020 14:23:10 GMT -5
How did Villanova manage to win two championships? It can be done, we may not be up for the task though.
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 29, 2020 14:29:15 GMT -5
Ewing's contract becomes an interesting decision point in the near future. I'm going to assume Ewing got a 5 year deal. If he doesn't have an extension in year 4, it's going to get harder and harder to recruit. So we'll either have to bite the bullet and give him a 2 year extension (at presumably less money?) or maybe Ewing chooses to resign if he doesn't get a new deal because he knows it's over. I really think that was what lead Mullin and St. Johns to go separate ways. The AD didn't want to give him an extension, his top assistant coach (who was spearheading recruiting) left, and he realized it was going to end badly so they agreed to part ways. Now that was a different AD than the one who hired Mullin, we still have Lee Reed so maybe he won't admit defeat. But if Ewing doesn't get an extension this offseason (and to be clear he hasn't really earned one) we'll start to get a few clues I don’t recall exactly, but is it you who has mentioned Pat’s contract extension and its effect on recruiting several times? Let me tell you that if you think anyone he recruits, their families, the students, alumni, etc... will be informed about the status of his contract and any future plans, you haven’t followed years and years of GU Basketball. AD Reed has nothing to do with any basketball related matters. It’s JT2’s Department. The only way to get a vague idea re: his contract will be by looking at the annual GU financials where the top earning university officials have to be disclosed. That’s how JT3 got into the really hot seat with the fanbase/alumni/students. It will be up to Pat to spill the beans. Yes I've brought it up a few times. Whether it's Reed or JT2 I get your point and understand we're not a transparent organization. I still think recruits will at least ask the question of Ewing but it's the least of our problems at this point.
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 29, 2020 14:36:06 GMT -5
The season has turned into a little bit of a dumpster fire, due to the manpower shortages engendered by the transfers of Akinjo/LeBlanc/Alexander/Gardner. We can debate how much of that lies at the feet of the coaching staff, including Patrick Ewing. However, I don't know how anyone can evaluate the coaching job presently being done, because there isn't any depth to this team. It's easy to criticize the coaching strategy when Sean McDermott is left open for uncontested three after uncontested three...but what alternatives did Ewing have when Pickett was unable to keep McDermott in check? It's also easy to assume that this team will continue to reside at the bottom of the Big East Conference standings next season. Things can also change dramatically if the incoming recruits can step right in and contribute in a positive manner. It is disconcerting that we are still waiting for things to improve. That being written, as hard as this may be for some on this board to believe, Georgetown basketball may never again approach the level of excellence to which we were accustomed, and indeed by which we were spoiled, in the 1980s and 1990s. This is as much a function of how the college basketball universe has been altered by the one-and-dones and the recruiting boundaries which are routinely abused by "rogue" programs (which shall remain nameless). Georgetown is not likely to follow the path of least resistance, and dive into the sludge-filled end of the recruiting pool. Maybe we, as program supporters, have to accept that the Hoya basketball program may not be well suited to continued participation at the highest level of competition. I disagree with the assertion that only teams that recruit "one-and-dones" and "rogue" programs can be competitive anymore in the college game. 2019--UVA and Texas Tech in final. Neither meet that definition 2018--Nova and Michigan in final. Nova doesn't meet that definition, and it would be a stretch to say Belein's program met that definition 2017--UNC and Gonzaga in final. UNC may be "rogue" but Gonzaga isn't. 2016--Nova and UNC in final. See above. 2015--Duke over Wisconsin. Duke is a one and done program, Wisconsin is not. Plenty of programs compete without joining the dark side of the force.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 29, 2020 14:38:01 GMT -5
The season has turned into a little bit of a dumpster fire, due to the manpower shortages engendered by the transfers of Akinjo/LeBlanc/Alexander/Gardner. We can debate how much of that lies at the feet of the coaching staff, including Patrick Ewing. However, I don't know how anyone can evaluate the coaching job presently being done, because there isn't any depth to this team. It's easy to criticize the coaching strategy when Sean McDermott is left open for uncontested three after uncontested three...but what alternatives did Ewing have when Pickett was unable to keep McDermott in check? It's also easy to assume that this team will continue to reside at the bottom of the Big East Conference standings next season. Things can also change dramatically if the incoming recruits can step right in and contribute in a positive manner. It is disconcerting that we are still waiting for things to improve. That being written, as hard as this may be for some on this board to believe, Georgetown basketball may never again approach the level of excellence to which we were accustomed, and indeed by which we were spoiled, in the 1980s and 1990s. This is as much a function of how the college basketball universe has been altered by the one-and-dones and the recruiting boundaries which are routinely abused by "rogue" programs (which shall remain nameless). Georgetown is not likely to follow the path of least resistance, and dive into the sludge-filled end of the recruiting pool. Maybe we, as program supporters, have to accept that the Hoya basketball program may not be well suited to continued participation at the highest level of competition. Is Gonzaga participating in the sludge-filled end of the recruiting pool? What about Nova, Butler, Xavier, Dayton? I think you are correct that the continued success may not be possible but a winner can be built in many ways. We just haven't had to run a true national coaching search so we don't know how to do it. I would speak to our peers at Butler, Xavier & Nova who have done a very good job at it. In the case of Butler & Xavier, they have done it time and again. They developed a young assistant who was there when other coaches bolted like Mack, Stevens, Matta, Lickliter, Holtman, Miller. That is not an accident, that is a program. There is no way any of our assistants meet that description. There is the problem.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 29, 2020 15:13:19 GMT -5
December 2007 Georgetown Memphis game on ESPNU right now (3-5ET) for those who want to reminisce about better times
EDIT—- talk about a contrast in depth— this team has THREE McDonalds AAs coming off the bench!!!! Macklin , Freeman, Wright.
Damn you Steph Curry!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 29, 2020 15:28:21 GMT -5
Yes I've brought it up a few times. Whether it's Reed or JT2 I get your point and understand we're not a transparent organization. I still think recruits will at least ask the question of Ewing but it's the least of our problems at this point. These contract issues become more of a problem at public universities where the terms of contracts are well known. We don't even know how long Ewing signed for, and neither do recruits. That, combined with the fact that he is a Georgetown legend, should generally give people comfort that Ewing does not have to worry about extending his contract. You see this all the time in public universities too, where they give a guy a contract, extend it, and then fire him anyway. I just don't see us being in that situation. Reed clearly is not the decision maker. I think people give JT2 too much credit, too. Yes, he has massive influence, and yes he clearly had a major role in Ewing's hire. That said, I think he would have never allowed JT3 to be fired if it was up to him. And DeGioia, who has way more power than Reed, seems to have acted on JT3 only because of a revolt among board members. I think the only way there's any movement whatsoever is if our performance reaches the level where fans and alumni are in such an uproar that the administration has no choice but to act. That's clearly what happened both with Esherick and JT3.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 29, 2020 15:33:48 GMT -5
The season has turned into a little bit of a dumpster fire, due to the manpower shortages engendered by the transfers of Akinjo/LeBlanc/Alexander/Gardner. We can debate how much of that lies at the feet of the coaching staff, including Patrick Ewing. However, I don't know how anyone can evaluate the coaching job presently being done, because there isn't any depth to this team. It's easy to criticize the coaching strategy when Sean McDermott is left open for uncontested three after uncontested three...but what alternatives did Ewing have when Pickett was unable to keep McDermott in check? It's also easy to assume that this team will continue to reside at the bottom of the Big East Conference standings next season. Things can also change dramatically if the incoming recruits can step right in and contribute in a positive manner. It is disconcerting that we are still waiting for things to improve. That being written, as hard as this may be for some on this board to believe, Georgetown basketball may never again approach the level of excellence to which we were accustomed, and indeed by which we were spoiled, in the 1980s and 1990s. This is as much a function of how the college basketball universe has been altered by the one-and-dones and the recruiting boundaries which are routinely abused by "rogue" programs (which shall remain nameless). Georgetown is not likely to follow the path of least resistance, and dive into the sludge-filled end of the recruiting pool. Maybe we, as program supporters, have to accept that the Hoya basketball program may not be well suited to continued participation at the highest level of competition. Is Gonzaga participating in the sludge-filled end of the recruiting pool? What about Nova, Butler, Xavier, Dayton? I think you are correct that the continued success may not be possible but a winner can be built in many ways. We just haven't had to run a true national coaching search so we don't know how to do it. I would speak to our peers at Butler, Xavier & Nova who have done a very good job at it. In the case of Butler & Xavier, they have done it time and again. They developed a young assistant who was there when other coaches bolted like Mack, Stevens, Matta, Lickliter, Holtman, Miller. That is not an accident, that is a program. There is no way any of our assistants meet that description. There is the problem. EXACTLY!!! Before Wright and Nova came along you could argue that bigger, not just dirtier schools, had the advantage. But Nova just slaps us in the face with the cold, hard reality that it can be done by small, private schools like ours. You gotta think that if the Ewing era ends in ashes anyone who has coached or played for Wright should be considered for his replacement. I've been accused of being a Nova shill or troll but it sucks to say that Nova and Wright have found the formula and we should copy it.
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Post by TC on Jan 29, 2020 15:47:49 GMT -5
It is disconcerting that we are still waiting for things to improve. That being written, as hard as this may be for some on this board to believe, Georgetown basketball may never again approach the level of excellence to which we were accustomed, and indeed by which we were spoiled, in the 1980s and 1990s. This is as much a function of how the college basketball universe has been altered by the one-and-dones and the recruiting boundaries which are routinely abused by "rogue" programs (which shall remain nameless). Georgetown is not likely to follow the path of least resistance, and dive into the sludge-filled end of the recruiting pool. Maybe we, as program supporters, have to accept that the Hoya basketball program may not be well suited to continued participation at the highest level of competition. Why is the 1990s part of the "level of excellence"? JT3 was much more successful than Georgetown was in the 1990s. I think people need to actually define what they feel "success" is for Georgetown. For me, it's that Georgetown should be able to make the tournament maybe 3 out of every 4 years. If that's not good enough, sure, close up shop, but we had a Coach who was getting us to the tournament and getting us high seeds.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 29, 2020 15:50:13 GMT -5
Is Gonzaga participating in the sludge-filled end of the recruiting pool? What about Nova, Butler, Xavier, Dayton? I think you are correct that the continued success may not be possible but a winner can be built in many ways. We just haven't had to run a true national coaching search so we don't know how to do it. I would speak to our peers at Butler, Xavier & Nova who have done a very good job at it. In the case of Butler & Xavier, they have done it time and again. They developed a young assistant who was there when other coaches bolted like Mack, Stevens, Matta, Lickliter, Holtman, Miller. That is not an accident, that is a program. There is no way any of our assistants meet that description. There is the problem. EXACTLY!!! Before Wright and Nova came along you could argue that bigger, not just dirtier schools, had the advantage. But Nova just slaps us in the face with the cold, hard reality that it can be done by small, private schools like ours. You gotta think that if the Ewing era ends in ashes anyone who has coached or played for Wright should be considered for his replacement. I've been accused of being a Nova shill or troll but it sucks to say that Nova and Wright have found the formula and we should copy it. At this point, I am jealous of the basketball programs at 7 of the 10 BE schools. Each one has an identity and are relatively consistent. The other two? One has a new experienced head coach who could turn that program around and the other has a brand new court and a top 2021 recruiting class. Turning our program around should not be rocket science, plus we have clear examples of how GU-comparable private schools have successful and even championship programs.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 29, 2020 16:00:33 GMT -5
The season has turned into a little bit of a dumpster fire, due to the manpower shortages engendered by the transfers of Akinjo/LeBlanc/Alexander/Gardner. We can debate how much of that lies at the feet of the coaching staff, including Patrick Ewing. However, I don't know how anyone can evaluate the coaching job presently being done, because there isn't any depth to this team. It's easy to criticize the coaching strategy when Sean McDermott is left open for uncontested three after uncontested three...but what alternatives did Ewing have when Pickett was unable to keep McDermott in check? It's also easy to assume that this team will continue to reside at the bottom of the Big East Conference standings next season. Things can also change dramatically if the incoming recruits can step right in and contribute in a positive manner. It is disconcerting that we are still waiting for things to improve. That being written, as hard as this may be for some on this board to believe, Georgetown basketball may never again approach the level of excellence to which we were accustomed, and indeed by which we were spoiled, in the 1980s and 1990s. This is as much a function of how the college basketball universe has been altered by the one-and-dones and the recruiting boundaries which are routinely abused by "rogue" programs (which shall remain nameless). Georgetown is not likely to follow the path of least resistance, and dive into the sludge-filled end of the recruiting pool. Maybe we, as program supporters, have to accept that the Hoya basketball program may not be well suited to continued participation at the highest level of competition. The first paragraph I mostly agree, but the second paragraph is way off base. Let's put aside Nova, is Seton Hall or Providence (both with 5 straight NCAAs very recently), Xavier (15 appearances in 17 years), Butler (heading toward 11 appearances out of 14 years) somehow better positioned for success than Georgetown? Come on, this cannot be a serious question? GU has the most fertile recruiting base in its backyard, decent facilities, a good conference, a large budget, and is a world class university. Being a top 50 program, and making the NCAAs every year should be the floor, not the ceiling. Any other attitude is just enabling mediocrity for no good reason. What holds GU back is painfully obvious - it allows its past to continue to influence its decision making. As soon as the university makes a clean break and conducts a legitimate forward-looking coaching search it will find itself back in business very quickly. There are so many talented coaches that would love to coach this Georgetown program if it moves on from the influence of its past. The program would be smart to take what the past has allowed the program to gain - a solid conference membership, decent facilities, a notable brand/reputation, a workable high major budget - and build upon it rather than waste it.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 29, 2020 16:03:00 GMT -5
It is disconcerting that we are still waiting for things to improve. That being written, as hard as this may be for some on this board to believe, Georgetown basketball may never again approach the level of excellence to which we were accustomed, and indeed by which we were spoiled, in the 1980s and 1990s. This is as much a function of how the college basketball universe has been altered by the one-and-dones and the recruiting boundaries which are routinely abused by "rogue" programs (which shall remain nameless). Georgetown is not likely to follow the path of least resistance, and dive into the sludge-filled end of the recruiting pool. Maybe we, as program supporters, have to accept that the Hoya basketball program may not be well suited to continued participation at the highest level of competition. Why is the 1990s part of the "level of excellence"? JT3 was much more successful than Georgetown was in the 1990s. I think people need to actually define what they feel "success" is for Georgetown. For me, it's that Georgetown should be able to make the tournament maybe 3 out of every 4 years. If that's not good enough, sure, close up shop, but we had a Coach who was getting us to the tournament and getting us high seeds. Completely Agree. 10 year stretch from 2006-2015 is the second greatest period in Hoya history, second only to 1981-1990– and definitely exceeding the 1990s. Watching 2007-8 Hoyas right now on ESPNU bring 3 McDonalds AAs off the bench!
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Post by guru on Jan 29, 2020 16:16:29 GMT -5
Yes I've brought it up a few times. Whether it's Reed or JT2 I get your point and understand we're not a transparent organization. I still think recruits will at least ask the question of Ewing but it's the least of our problems at this point. These contract issues become more of a problem at public universities where the terms of contracts are well known. We don't even know how long Ewing signed for, and neither do recruits. That, combined with the fact that he is a Georgetown legend, should generally give people comfort that Ewing does not have to worry about extending his contract. You see this all the time in public universities too, where they give a guy a contract, extend it, and then fire him anyway. I just don't see us being in that situation. Reed clearly is not the decision maker. I think people give JT2 too much credit, too. Yes, he has massive influence, and yes he clearly had a major role in Ewing's hire. That said, I think he would have never allowed JT3 to be fired if it was up to him. And DeGioia, who has way more power than Reed, seems to have acted on JT3 only because of a revolt among board members. I think the only way there's any movement whatsoever is if our performance reaches the level where fans and alumni are in such an uproar that the administration has no choice but to act. That's clearly what happened both with Esherick and JT3. Here's a challenge: Try to go a single day on this board without referencing JT3. You can't do it.
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