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Post by HamptonHoya on Jul 4, 2020 13:12:38 GMT -5
Exactly. The recent admissions scandal highlights how many people view GU as exclusive and apparently are willing to break the law to get their kids in. Even an episode of Sopranos raised this point--Carmela backed a ricotta pie for her neighbor a GU med school grad. Back in 64-68 those of us from lower middle class backgrounds always referred to richer kids (their own cars and polo ponies) as HOYAS. My infrequent trips back to campus just reinforces this impression. I really worry that this has a lot to do with minority student/athlete's problems. BLM will only heighten minority students awareness of this disparity and make it harder to recruit. Georgetown has been quite exclusive for a while. I came from a largely middle class background, and when I got there in 1999, I was definitely a bit out of place. Of course, not nearly what Jeff Green described in Dawg Talk, but it was definitely a different culture than what I had been accustomed to in high school. My (Catholic) high school had very few students go on to Georgetown or similar schools in my day (and I think even less now), yet prep schools like Hotchkiss, Phillips Exeter, etc. routinely had tons of students going to Georgetown every year. At least when I was at Georgetown, there were still kids who chose Georgetown because it was a Catholic school and it was an elite academic school. I imagine that probably still happens to some degree, but I wonder if that's less of a factor, as the school has gotten more competitive with admissions. And, to be clear, I do not mean any of this in a judgmental or negative way at all. I think it's just the path Georgetown has taken as an elite academic school, and in that way, it's really not all that much different from a lot of other top schools, including some of the Ivies (except Georgetown has less money). As far as Georgetown goes, John Thompson Jr. was fighting for much of what the BLM movement wants to achieve decades ago, and in the 1980s Georgetown was known for that. It's too bad that really true anymore.I don’t believe the need for Georgetown in the 70’s has changed much in the need for Georgetown now. Coach Thompson went into the household to speak with the young men and parents and promised to protect them, guide them into adulthood and to prepare them for the real world. Much the same as Coach Ewing is telling them. The only difference is Coach Ewing lived it as a player in the 80’s. He lived the hatred and bigotry directed at them. He can show them how to turn that energy into something powerful. Georgetown made a difference in the community then and can make one now. I agree, the fight is the same, but the name has changed. Campus life is what you make it. If you want to make a social change, what better place that DC to make your voice heard. With a degree from a Georgetown, you are well respected in any situation. Coach can only tell his story, hopefully the young men and the parents agree with him and they see the value in coming to the Hilltop. The important thing is that he identifies with them and he is doing his job to make a difference. “Dawg Talk” is huge. They make these guys tangible. Who knows, perhaps Terrance Williams stays committed. I am so glad that Maker went to Howard. Which talking head saw that one coming? These young men are individuals and don’t need anyone to explain what they want or need. Perhaps it starts a run or Maker will be the only one. I don’t think he cares, it was the best decision for him.
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Post by drquigley on Jul 4, 2020 20:55:48 GMT -5
I think it hard for (white) guys like us to understand what is happening and how it might effect GU. What I hear is that black athletes are looking for ways to support BLM and show solidarity with folks out there demonstrating. Going to a college with a bunch of rich white, and asian, kids so you can get a quality degree and maybe someday live in Kalorama just doesn't seem right for them. Eugene Debs said the point of the revolution would be not to help someone to come up from the masses but to have everyone come up with the masses. Maybe they don't attend HBCU's but I can see how they might be attracted to large state schools with large black student bodies and active black student groups.
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Post by reformation on Jul 4, 2020 22:31:38 GMT -5
I would think Big John's legacy + Ewing's personal experience would be a big + in BLM era but that's just a speculation on my part(I 'm assuming the kids actually speak to their parents at least a little). I also doubt for the vast majority of kids its a deciding factor. Don't see kids turning down duke for ex which is if anything has a more privileged student body than GU(even though I know we are seldom competing for recruits now).
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jul 5, 2020 0:42:51 GMT -5
I would think Big John's legacy + Ewing's personal experience would be a big + in BLM era but that's just a speculation on my part(I 'm assuming the kids actually speak to their parents at least a little). I also doubt for the vast majority of kids its a deciding factor. Don't see kids turning down duke for ex which is if anything has a more privileged student body than GU(even though I know we are seldom competing for recruits now). I believe in this day and age, no two kids look at this entirely the same. I believe Georgetown has a better chance now than we had two months ago. Sell the story, sell the positives. It will make a difference in some households. You can't ask for more than that.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 5, 2020 9:44:54 GMT -5
I think it hard for (white) guys like us to understand what is happening and how it might effect GU. What I hear is that black athletes are looking for ways to support BLM and show solidarity with folks out there demonstrating. Going to a college with a bunch of rich white, and asian, kids so you can get a quality degree and maybe someday live in Kalorama just doesn't seem right for them. Eugene Debs said the point of the revolution would be not to help someone to come up from the masses but to have everyone come up with the masses. Maybe they don't attend HBCU's but I can see how they might be attracted to large state schools with large black student bodies and active black student groups. I did a google search for Gtown student demographics in 2019, the 1st hit was the link below which states that the Gtown student body is just a little over 50% white so that would mean the Gtown student body is just a little under 50% minority-based... I’d bet a good chunk of change that large state schools won't have anywhere near 50% minority enrollment on their campuses... Also I’m not sure what affluence has to do with this issue either... datausa.io/profile/university/georgetown-university
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jul 5, 2020 13:49:32 GMT -5
I think it hard for (white) guys like us to understand what is happening and how it might effect GU. What I hear is that black athletes are looking for ways to support BLM and show solidarity with folks out there demonstrating. Going to a college with a bunch of rich white, and asian, kids so you can get a quality degree and maybe someday live in Kalorama just doesn't seem right for them. Eugene Debs said the point of the revolution would be not to help someone to come up from the masses but to have everyone come up with the masses. Maybe they don't attend HBCU's but I can see how they might be attracted to large state schools with large black student bodies and active black student groups. I did a google search for Gtown student demographics in 2019, the 1st hit was the link below which states that the Gtown student body is just a little over 50% white so that would mean the Gtown student body is just a little under 50% minority based... I’d bet a good chunk of change that large state schools will have anywhere near 50% minority enrollment... Also I’m not sure what affluence has to do with this issue either... datausa.io/profile/university/georgetown-universityThanks, Etomic. Nothing like the facts. Georgetown today, as it was in the 80s, is a university with a need blind admissions policy and a commitment to meet a student’s full financial need. Because of the well-documented rise in the cost of attendance for college generally over the last few decades, the group that is being squeezed the most is the middle class. Georgetown today has more affluent students and also students like I was In the early 80s — without the proverbial pot to Edited in. That is true of many private colleges today. I don’t think this makes Georgetown more “exclusive” today in the sense that Quigs means, it’s just different. He pushes this narrative regularly in other threads as well, while conceding he doesn’t go back to campus regularly, which makes one wonder if he bases the posts on anything more than uninformed assumptions. He’s mentioned Villanova previously as a less elitist school, but I don’t think it’s more diverse than Georgetown. My impression on arriving at Georgetown in1981 and subsequent interactions with alumni of Quigs’ era and earlier is that it was more exclusive back then as it appealed to more of the same type of students, I do go back fairly often and have 2 kids there. I don’t find it more elitist, but I do see less of the middle-middle class, who often choose merit scholarships at good but lesser private schools or more affordable state school options, in lieu of major loan sacrifices. Sometimes, that’s because brothers and sisters, who might not attract as significant a merit scholarship, are following behind and the family makes a decision that benefits the overall family budget. Georgetown’s affordability for the middle class and its need to deal with deferred maintenance in student housing are 2 areas it must address once the pandemic issues and fallout are in the rear view mirror.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 5, 2020 16:54:01 GMT -5
I did a google search for Gtown student demographics in 2019, the 1st hit was the link below which states that the Gtown student body is just a little over 50% white so that would mean the Gtown student body is just a little under 50% minority based... I’d bet a good chunk of change that large state schools will have anywhere near 50% minority enrollment... Also I’m not sure what affluence has to do with this issue either... datausa.io/profile/university/georgetown-universityThanks, Etomic. Nothing like the facts. Georgetown today, as it was in the 80s, is a university with a need blind admissions policy and a commitment to meet a student’s full financial need. Because of the well-documented rise in the cost of attendance for college generally over the last few decades, the group that is being squeezed the most is the middle class. Georgetown today has more affluent students and also students like I was In the early 80s — without the proverbial pot to Edited in. That is true of many private colleges today. I don’t think this makes Georgetown more “exclusive” today in the sense that Quigs means, it’s just different. He pushes this narrative regularly in other threads as well, while conceding he doesn’t go back to campus regularly, which makes one wonder if he bases the posts on anything more than uninformed assumptions. He’s mentioned Villanova previously as a less elitist school, but I don’t think it’s more diverse than Georgetown. My impression on arriving at Georgetown in1981 and subsequent interactions with alumni of Quigs’ era and earlier is that it was more exclusive back then as it appealed to more of the same type of students, I do go back fairly often and have 2 kids there. I don’t find it more elitist, but I do see less of the middle-middle class, who often choose merit scholarships at good but lesser private schools or more affordable state school options, in lieu of major loan sacrifices. Sometimes, that’s because brothers and sisters, who might not attract as significant a merit scholarship, are following behind and the family makes a decision that benefits the overall family budget. Georgetown’s affordability for the middle class and its need to deal with deferred maintenance in student housing are 2 areas it must address once the pandemic issues and fallout are in the rear view mirror. Since Villanova was mentioned in your post, here are their student demographics from the same site. The stats don't speak to affluence or elitism but Gtown is far more diverse than Nova... The enrolled student population at Villanova University is 70.1% White, 6.98% Hispanic or Latino, 5.74% Asian, 5.4% Black or African American, 2.24% Two or More Races, 0.119% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.0547% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders.Add in the racial makeup of Gtown's coaching staff plus the ethnic and cultural diversity found in D.C. hard for me to believe Gtown would be at any disadvantage when it comes to nurturing young African-American men... datausa.io/profile/university/villanova-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Villanova%20University%20is%2070.1%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 6, 2020 10:20:32 GMT -5
Because of the well-documented rise in the cost of attendance for college generally over the last few decades, the group that is being squeezed the most is the middle class. This was certainly true when I went to Georgetown about 20 years ago, and I imagine still the case. When I was entering college at Georgetown, the financial aid was frankly pretty bad, and they reduced it each year, too. While I did get financial aid (and thankful, as without it I could not have gone to Georgetown), Georgetown still expected my parents to pay about 1/3 of their pre-tax income for my tuition. Basically, my parents made enough money that they did not get a ton of aid, but they did not make enough money to comfortably pay 1/3 of their income for my tuition, either. To pay for it, my parents went into debt themselves, with a second mortgage, for which I will always be grateful. I consider myself very fortunate because my parents encouraged me to go to Georgetown anyway (and I got a scholarship to go to another school that would have been fine but not Georgetown), but I recognize I was lucky in that way. A lot of other parents would have simply said to go to the place where I got the scholarship. I hope in the years that have passed that Georgetown's financial aid has gotten better.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 6, 2020 12:18:54 GMT -5
Because of the well-documented rise in the cost of attendance for college generally over the last few decades, the group that is being squeezed the most is the middle class. This was certainly true when I went to Georgetown about 20 years ago, and I imagine still the case. When I was entering college at Georgetown, the financial aid was frankly pretty bad, and they reduced it each year, too. While I did get financial aid (and thankful, as without it I could not have gone to Georgetown), Georgetown still expected my parents to pay about 1/3 of their pre-tax income for my tuition. Basically, my parents made enough money that they did not get a ton of aid, but they did not make enough money to comfortably pay 1/3 of their income for my tuition, either. To pay for it, my parents went into debt themselves, with a second mortgage, for which I will always be grateful. I consider myself very fortunate because my parents encouraged me to go to Georgetown anyway (and I got a scholarship to go to another school that would have been fine but not Georgetown), but I recognize I was lucky in that way. A lot of other parents would have simply said to go to the place where I got the scholarship. I hope in the years that have passed that Georgetown's financial aid has gotten better. My parents had 4 of us in college and/or graduate school between 1972 and 1984. My brother Tufts '76 and Fletcher School '78, me, SFS ' 77, CUA Law School '80, GULC '84, and my sister, Brown '82 (IIRC the highest tuition in the nation then). My parents ran out of $$ and the youngest went to MD. All this on 2 goverment salaries. My father volunteered for Vietnam in 1974 as he saw tuition bills coming his way and wanted hazardous duty pay. My freshman year tuition was $2500. My final year of law school was $3100 and I lived at home. My brother got scholarship for his last year at Fletcher and dropped out a year to work during his grad program. I worked 20 hours a week during law school and the Navy paid 75% of my tuition at GULC for my LL.M. IIRC, we never qualified for student loans. This scenario is impossible today. Does this affect the Hoyas's recruiting? Likely in terms of a social fit. The positive is that DC can still be a draw but even that is gentrifying from my viewpoint as a native Washingtonian.
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Post by drquigley on Jul 6, 2020 13:34:38 GMT -5
Thanks, Etomic. Nothing like the facts. Georgetown today, as it was in the 80s, is a university with a need blind admissions policy and a commitment to meet a student’s full financial need. Because of the well-documented rise in the cost of attendance for college generally over the last few decades, the group that is being squeezed the most is the middle class. Georgetown today has more affluent students and also students like I was In the early 80s — without the proverbial pot to Edited in. That is true of many private colleges today. I don’t think this makes Georgetown more “exclusive” today in the sense that Quigs means, it’s just different. He pushes this narrative regularly in other threads as well, while conceding he doesn’t go back to campus regularly, which makes one wonder if he bases the posts on anything more than uninformed assumptions. He’s mentioned Villanova previously as a less elitist school, but I don’t think it’s more diverse than Georgetown. My impression on arriving at Georgetown in1981 and subsequent interactions with alumni of Quigs’ era and earlier is that it was more exclusive back then as it appealed to more of the same type of students, I do go back fairly often and have 2 kids there. I don’t find it more elitist, but I do see less of the middle-middle class, who often choose merit scholarships at good but lesser private schools or more affordable state school options, in lieu of major loan sacrifices. Sometimes, that’s because brothers and sisters, who might not attract as significant a merit scholarship, are following behind and the family makes a decision that benefits the overall family budget. Georgetown’s affordability for the middle class and its need to deal with deferred maintenance in student housing are 2 areas it must address once the pandemic issues and fallout are in the rear view mirror. Since Villanova was mentioned in your post, here are their student demographics from the same site. The stats don't speak to affluence or elitism but Gtown is far more diverse than Nova... The enrolled student population at Villanova University is 70.1% White, 6.98% Hispanic or Latino, 5.74% Asian, 5.4% Black or African American, 2.24% Two or More Races, 0.119% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.0547% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders.Add in the racial makeup of Gtown's coaching staff plus the ethnic and cultural diversity found in D.C. hard for me to believe Gtown would be at any disadvantage when it comes to nurturing young African-American men... datausa.io/profile/university/villanova-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Villanova%20University%20is%2070.1%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders. Wow, you guys are completely missing the point. Just because 50% of the student body is non white doesn't mean it is less elitist. Having a bunch of rich Asians, Middle Easterners, Africans, or Latin Americans makes the school culturally diverse but not economically diverse. I hope Etomic's grad professor explained this to him. Hell, Turki Feisal was in my class. Did that make GU less elitist?. Sure we were pretty homogeneous, white kids from northeastern and mid-atlantic Catholic schools. But we were going to GU (especially the East Campus) because it offered the education we were looking for not to impress our friends or family. The Hollywood celebrity scandal pretty well demonstrates how much GU has changed. Also, I just watched Jon Stewart's movie Irresistible. Steve Carrel plays a rich, out of touch (elitist) DC political consultant who tries to manipulate the rubes in rural Wisconsin. The movie starts with a camera pan of his bedroom wall. Proudly hanging there is his GU degree. I think Jon Stewart new this would be a fast and easy way to establish Carrel's elitist cred.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jul 6, 2020 15:07:57 GMT -5
Since Villanova was mentioned in your post, here are their student demographics from the same site. The stats don't speak to affluence or elitism but Gtown is far more diverse than Nova... The enrolled student population at Villanova University is 70.1% White, 6.98% Hispanic or Latino, 5.74% Asian, 5.4% Black or African American, 2.24% Two or More Races, 0.119% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.0547% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders.Add in the racial makeup of Gtown's coaching staff plus the ethnic and cultural diversity found in D.C. hard for me to believe Gtown would be at any disadvantage when it comes to nurturing young African-American men... datausa.io/profile/university/villanova-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Villanova%20University%20is%2070.1%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders. Wow, you guys are completely missing the point. Just because 50% of the student body is non white doesn't mean it is less elitist. Having a bunch of rich Asians, Middle Easterners, Africans, or Latin Americans makes the school culturally diverse but not economically diverse. I hope Etomic's grad professor explained this to him. Hell, Turki Feisal was in my class. Did that make GU less elitist?. Sure we were pretty homogeneous, white kids from northeastern and mid-atlantic Catholic schools. But we were going to GU (especially the East Campus) because it offered the education we were looking for not to impress our friends or family. The Hollywood celebrity scandal pretty well demonstrates how much GU has changed. Also, I just watched Jon Stewart's movie Irresistible. Steve Carrel plays a rich, out of touch (elitist) DC political consultant who tries to manipulate the rubes in rural Wisconsin. The movie starts with a camera pan of his bedroom wall. Proudly hanging there is his GU degree. I think Jon Stewart new this would be a fast and easy way to establish Carrel's elitist cred. Quigs, the broad conclusions you draw from these "data" points are remarkable. Georgetown is more selective than when you and even I attended, but there are a lot more financially needy kids there today and the student body is more diverse. Since you don't go back often to see for yourself, you should read about the GSP and initiatives like that to educate yourself about who is attending Georgetown today rather than relying on movie references to inform your opinion. Other than not winning, which is the crux of the problem, there are plenty of things about Georgetown today imo that would appeal to prospective bball players. To think otherwise is to ignore the facts. I also clearly give much more credit to prospective athletes today than you do. They are not a homogenous group either. Your digs at the current crop of students and recent alumni is a consistent (and annoying) theme to your posting.
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Post by drquigley on Jul 6, 2020 15:59:53 GMT -5
Quigs, the broad conclusions you draw from these "data" points is remarkable. Georgetown is more selective than when you and even I attended, but there are a lot more financially needy kids there today and the student body is more diverse. Since you don't go back often to see for yourself, you should read about the GSP and initiatives like that to educate yourself about who is attending Georgetown today rather than relying on movie references to inform your opinion. Other than not winning, which is the crux of the problem, there are plenty of things about Georgetown today imo that would appeal to prospective bball players. To think otherwise is to ignore the facts. I also clearly give much more credit to prospective athletes today than you do. They are not a homogenous group either. Your digs at the current crop of students and recent alumni is a consistent (and annoying) theme to your posting. I'm only trying to let you know how GU is viewed here in blue collar, middle class America. Also, I've been told that 60% of the students pay the full tuition freight so yes while I'm sure there are a lot more kids from poorer families attending on scholarship there is no way a solidly middle class famiiy would qualify for aid and therefore could afford to send a kid there today. Case in point, of the nearly dozen guys I hung out with back in the day only one (a very successful lawyer) could afford GU for his kids. I agree GU is a better school than it was in the 60's if for no other reason than the presence of women. But it is definitely a haven for the economically elite.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 6, 2020 22:46:54 GMT -5
I'm only trying to let you know how GU is viewed here in blue collar, middle class America. Also, I've been told that 60% of the students pay the full tuition freight so yes while I'm sure there are a lot more kids from poorer families attending on scholarship there is no way a solidly middle class famiiy would qualify for aid and therefore could afford to send a kid there today. Case in point, of the nearly dozen guys I hung out with back in the day only one (a very successful lawyer) could afford GU for his kids. I agree GU is a better school than it was in the 60's if for no other reason than the presence of women. But it is definitely a haven for the economically elite.What is considered "middle class" is highly subjective. That said, even 20 years ago, people in the middle class got aid. My family would have probably been considered the higher end of middle class, and while I didn't get a ton of aid, I did get some. And, I knew people whose parents made less money who got a lot more than me. So, I don't think this is necessarily true. As for a "haven for the economically elite," I think you could probably say that of nearly every top private school in America. Georgetown is not unique in that respect.
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Post by rhw485 on Jul 7, 2020 9:33:04 GMT -5
theathletic.com/1908491/2020/07/07/nate-oats-alabama-interview-3-pointers-defense/Great interview w Nate Oats, thought it was interesting because new coach at big program who wants to play up-tempo like Ewing. Will copy some statements that I thought were interesting. Some agree w Ewing philosophy, others a little different: "Our tempo. Everybody says they’re going to play fast in the press conference. We said we were going to play fast at Alabama, I think that’s the most efficient way to play on offense, I’m sold on it" "We got in, we taught the system, we were third in the country in scoring, we were fourth in tempo, we were No. 1 in the country in 3-point rate." "We were terrible on defense this year. Part of it was our injuries, part of it was I didn’t do a good job coaching it, part of it was our personnel — we wanted to play so many guards because of our offensive system, but we had on the floor sometimes Kira Lewis at 6-foot-3 or 6-foot-2, Beetle Bolden at 6-foot, Jaden Shackleford at 6-foot-2 and John Petty at 6-foot-5 playing the four. It’s not a recipe to being a great defensive team, with that little size on the floor in the SEC." "For the most part. I don’t want us taking bad 3s. When we get a paint touch, out points per possession go up almost 0.4 points per possession. The ideal 3 is a paint-touch-kickout-3. If we’re getting those types of shots, I really don’t care how many we take" "But we’re not going to take long 2s. I’d rather take a 3 than a long 2. I’m a big analytics guy. The numbers don’t lie. That’s what you need to take, so we’re going to take them." "If you really want to be great on defense, you get guys who can guard multiple positions and you can switch more. We’re going to do more switching, we’re going to play bigger guards, we’re going to be a little bit more aggressive in our ball-screen coverage whether it’s with switches or get the offense reacting to us rather than us always reacting to the offense."
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 7, 2020 18:08:18 GMT -5
"We were terrible on defense this year. Part of it was our injuries, part of it was I didn’t do a good job coaching it, part of it was our personnel — we wanted to play so many guards because of our offensive system, but we had on the floor sometimes Kira Lewis at 6-foot-3 or 6-foot-2, Beetle Bolden at 6-foot, Jaden Shackleford at 6-foot-2 and John Petty at 6-foot-5 playing the four. It’s not a recipe to being a great defensive team, with that little size on the floor in the SEC." I appreciate this level of candor. It's abundantly obvious the same thing is true at Georgetown on defense, but all the public statements on our poor defense have generally focused on the guys being bad individual defenders, rather than the way it is being taught. Even though, we've had almost entire roster turnover, and yet there has been no improvement.
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Post by tgo on Jul 12, 2020 13:24:58 GMT -5
I've been told that 60% of the students pay the full tuition freight [/quote] drquigley Do you have a source/link for this stat? I have been told the number is much much smaller but I don't recall seeing the actual numbers on this quoted. I would expect to find the actual numbers in some fundraising appeals from the university.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 12, 2020 13:38:04 GMT -5
I've been told that 60% of the students pay the full tuition freight drquigley Do you have a source/link for this stat? I have been told the number is much much smaller but I don't recall seeing the actual numbers on this quoted. I would expect to find the actual numbers in some fundraising appeals from the university. [/quote] See if this helps. Inferentially, less than half pay the full freight. More than half of Georgetown’s undergraduates receive some form of financial aid. Your financial aid is determined by subtracting your total family responsibility from your total cost of attendance. finaid.georgetown.edu/undergrad/aid-for-undergrads/www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleges/Georgetown-tuition-financial-aid
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Post by drquigley on Jul 12, 2020 19:18:52 GMT -5
I've been told that 60% of the students pay the full tuition freight drquigley Do you have a source/link for this stat? I have been told the number is much much smaller but I don't recall seeing the actual numbers on this quoted. I would expect to find the actual numbers in some fundraising appeals from the university. See if this helps. Inferentially, less than half pay the full freight. More than half of Georgetown’s undergraduates receive some form of financial aid. Your financial aid is determined by subtracting your total family responsibility from your total cost of attendance. finaid.georgetown.edu/undergrad/aid-for-undergrads/www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleges/Georgetown-tuition-financial-aid[/quote]Got my info from a good friend's (GU alumni) daughter who works for the University. I'm sure a good chunk of kids get some financial aid but that would only bring the cost down from ridiculously expensive ($78K) to just prohibitively expensive (say 60K). Christ, $17K for room and board??? Back in the day I paid $50 a month rent for a dump on M street and lived on Teehans, Wisemiller subs, and whatever food I could "borrow" from the club I worked.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 15, 2020 5:04:18 GMT -5
It feels like more four year players will be role players in top conferences. Between going pro and transferring It seems harder to have a top player stick around for four full seasons.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 18, 2020 22:17:11 GMT -5
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