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Post by TC on Jun 30, 2020 14:14:46 GMT -5
Not sure why as to why it has to be 4 years. We just had Yurts and Malinowski in recent years. Because a 2 year player isn't going to transfer out. Also, Vladimir Bosanac.
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Post by the_way on Jun 30, 2020 15:52:56 GMT -5
Not sure why as to why it has to be 4 years. We just had Yurts and Malinowski in recent years. Because a 2 year player isn't going to transfer out. Also, Vladimir Bosanac. I still don't get it, but... Vladimir was on the team for 3 years and graduated. So, I guess he doesn't count either. lol
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Post by BSM on Jun 30, 2020 16:43:42 GMT -5
If you're mentioning David Blue, you have to mention Kurt Kaull.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 30, 2020 19:32:36 GMT -5
If you're mentioning David Blue, you have to mention Kurt Kaull. Correct. Was not sure if Kurt was a baseball scholarship who played basketball.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 30, 2020 20:37:57 GMT -5
Was not sure if Kurt was a baseball scholarship who played basketball. He had a basketball scholarship. What I read way back when was that baseball was full scholarship into the 1970's but had the grants in aid repurposed to cover women's sports. Maybe it's no surprise to note that since 1986, baseball has posted 34 consecutive seasons under .500, including 2020 (4-13).
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 30, 2020 21:18:32 GMT -5
David Blue comes to mind Jeff Bullis stayed 4 and graduated but did not play Senior Year David Blue -- blast from the past. First time I saw him play, I thought the student section was booing him. Turns out they were just chanting "Blue." David Blue was solid. David Dunn was even better.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Jul 1, 2020 5:25:41 GMT -5
David Blue -- blast from the past. First time I saw him play, I thought the student section was booing him. Turns out they were just chanting "Blue." David Blue was solid. David Dunn was even better. Yes, he was. Good memories!
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Post by drquigley on Jul 1, 2020 13:05:00 GMT -5
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Post by drquigley on Jul 1, 2020 16:23:22 GMT -5
Okay, I'll add mine. Gotta hurt the recruiting. Granted we aren't getting many 3-5 stars but I can see why right now a black athlete might be especially unlikely to attend an "elite" school like GU.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 1, 2020 18:09:10 GMT -5
Thought this article in today's Wash Post may be relevant for GU bball going forward. Thoughts? It's a trendy topic but not grounded in the reality of college sports. The idea that the HBCU's represent a better place for black high school prospects than larger institutions is undercut by the opportunity for success and pro exposure elsewhere.The R.J. Barretts and Cam Reddishes of the world aren't going to the NBA lottery playing at Mississippi Valley St. or Maryland-Eastern Shore. The Dukes and Kentuckys of the world not only offer the (cough, cough...) accelerated studies program for the NBA, but provide a level of competition that confirms the investment made in them at draft time. If you can make it at Duke, the feeling is you're prepared for the next step. In 2018, there were a total of two (2) HBCU players on NBA rosters. That's not some sort of nefarious plot, it's a function of where the SWAC and the MEAC (which is in some serious realignment trouble these days) are faring. Sam Hunt, a North Carolina A&T standout who did a grad transfer at NC State, said in the link below, "The athleticism, the speed, the strength and just how hard they work...everybody on the [Power 5] team wants to be a pro. We all have aspirations of playing at the next level and being paid to do what we love. That’s one thing that kind of separates it from an HBCU. Every game you are playing against two or three NBA players. You are going against lottery picks like Marvin Bagley III and Gary Trent Jr., who will probably be a first-rounder. Every day it’s a battle. You can’t take a day off, even in practice." Hunt led the Aggies in scoring. At State, alongside sophomore Omer Yurtseven, just 5.5 ppg. theundefeated.com/features/transferring-to-power-5-schools-is-a-path-to-the-pros-for-hbcu-basketball-players/
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 2, 2020 9:14:23 GMT -5
Okay, I'll add mine. Gotta hurt the recruiting. Granted we aren't getting many 3-5 stars but I can see why right now a black athlete might be especially unlikely to attend an "elite" school like GU. I can see what you are saying, especially in the light of Trevor Keels' comments, but Patrick is also a great social leader on-top of his coaching. Here's a quote from later in the article about Sidwell's Kiki Rice: "As an underclassman, Rice used her college visits to build relationships with coaches and players, check out facilities and visit campus landmarks. But in recent weeks, Rice has judged coaches by how they have responded to the national discourse." Patrick has been vocal about the social issues going on and it's just another way he can connect with today's youth. Now lets turn that recruiting around!
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Post by bornhoya on Jul 2, 2020 12:42:00 GMT -5
Thought this article in today's Wash Post may be relevant for GU bball going forward. Thoughts? It's a trendy topic but not grounded in the reality of college sports. The idea that the HBCU's represent a better place for black high school prospects than larger institutions is undercut by the opportunity for success and pro exposure elsewhere.The R.J. Barretts and Cam Reddishes of the world aren't going to the NBA lottery playing at Mississippi Valley St. or Maryland-Eastern Shore. The Dukes and Kentuckys of the world not only offer the (cough, cough...) accelerated studies program for the NBA, but provide a level of competition that confirms the investment made in them at draft time. If you can make it at Duke, the feeling is you're prepared for the next step. In 2018, there were a total of two (2) HBCU players on NBA rosters. That's not some sort of nefarious plot, it's a function of where the SWAC and the MEAC (which is in some serious realignment trouble these days) are faring. Sam Hunt, a North Carolina A&T standout who did a grad transfer at NC State, said in the link below, "The athleticism, the speed, the strength and just how hard they work...everybody on the [Power 5] team wants to be a pro. We all have aspirations of playing at the next level and being paid to do what we love. That’s one thing that kind of separates it from an HBCU. Every game you are playing against two or three NBA players. You are going against lottery picks like Marvin Bagley III and Gary Trent Jr., who will probably be a first-rounder. Every day it’s a battle. You can’t take a day off, even in practice." Hunt led the Aggies in scoring. At State, alongside sophomore Omer Yurtseven, just 5.5 ppg. theundefeated.com/features/transferring-to-power-5-schools-is-a-path-to-the-pros-for-hbcu-basketball-players/ RJ Barrett’s and Cam Reddish’s have lottery picks since 11th grade
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Post by drquigley on Jul 2, 2020 21:05:02 GMT -5
Okay, I'll add mine. Gotta hurt the recruiting. Granted we aren't getting many 3-5 stars but I can see why right now a black athlete might be especially unlikely to attend an "elite" school like GU. I can see what you are saying, especially in the light of Trevor Keels' comments, but Patrick is also a great social leader on-top of his coaching. Here's a quote from later in the article about Sidwell's Kiki Rice: "As an underclassman, Rice used her college visits to build relationships with coaches and players, check out facilities and visit campus landmarks. But in recent weeks, Rice has judged coaches by how they have responded to the national discourse." Patrick has been vocal about the social issues going on and it's just another way he can connect with today's youth. Now lets turn that recruiting around! I agree that PE has been on top of what's happening but I still think GU has become so expensive-and exclusive-that not just minority kids but also middle class kids like my grandkids would not feel comfortable there. Add in the desire of many black kids to show solidarity with and support for HBCUs and I fear that PE has his work cut out for him.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 2, 2020 22:58:58 GMT -5
I agree that PE has been on top of what's happening but I still think GU has become so expensive-and exclusive-that not just minority kids but also middle class kids like my grandkids would not feel comfortable there. Expensive? Sure, but that's a conscious decision Georgetown made. But exclusive? I disagree. Exclusivity is a reduction in the quantity of a good or service to a select few. Georgetown's enrollment has actually inched upwards, no downwards over the years. The admissions numbers reflect a more popular school, but not necessarily a more exclusive one. Way back when, my freshman class had a grand total of six people from Texas--three from Dallas Jesuit, two from private schools in Houston, one from a public high school West Texas. Total. Then again, close to 25 guys from Chaminade HS on Long Island all went that year, too. If Georgetown has moved on past the old joke that everyone is from NY or NJ (there are actually more students from CA now) know that it is a broader mix than it once was, although not altogether diverse intellectually. The erosion of the middle class is a concern with no easy answers. A year at Georgetown in 1984, for example, was roughly $7,400 against a U.S. median household income of $27,463. Today, the cost is 10x that but the median household income has grown to only $63,688. How do you make Georgetown affordable when it is more expensive than a year's salary? Lower the price? Faculty won't buy into that. Cut majors? Even less likely, except that the reputation suffers and when Georgetown isn't in the Top 25 anymore, people will complain. Fundraise indefinitely? The last campaign raised close to $500 million for financial aid but it was annual giving, not endowment, so most of it is already long gone. The president of Purdue University has capped tuition at $9,992 a year. A $2.3 million endowment, some aggressive investment strategies, and state funding doesn't hurt, and students love it. But Purdue isn't competing with Harvard or Penn for students, and that's not their mission. If Georgetown was serious about wholesale cost cutbacks and restructuring, they have to get out of the Top 25 rat race and be OK not being in that league anymore, something they aren't willing to do. The current panic in higher education offers some intriguing clues on how to recenter costs going forward. Getting an unbending faculty to consider it, and a campus staff which exceeds the number of undergraduates to adjust to it is a harder nut to crack than making it happen. And in a roundabout way, that includes men's basketball as well.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 3, 2020 1:36:46 GMT -5
I think Dr. Quigley was talking about types of students that Georgetown enrolls not the number of students. If I am wrong Dr., I apologize. Jeff Green touched on that on Dawg Talk when he was talking about his Official Visit & even his freshmen year when he stated (paraphrasing) he showed up with his Carmelo Corn Roles in his 3X shorts & XXXXL & XXXXXL White Tees (the style back then) and all the other students were popping their polo collars it was like a completely different world to him and was in part the reason he cut his Kwahi Leonard before Kwahi Leonard hair style off after his freshmen year.
I remember Zo and other Hoya players spent a lot of their time at Howard where Zo met his wife.
With the cost going up at least 10X what it was in the mid 80's yet black & brown income & wealth growth overall has been at best stagnant (for systemic reasons) since then, academic qualifications are not the issue minorities face, it's the ability to afford a Georgetown education vs alternatives that would require a lot less debt post graduation. So you end up with a majority of a certain kind of socio economic type of student body.
Also some minority athletes may feel more comfortable at a more socially diverse institution. While having a Black Head Coach, Coaching Staff, and Athletic director is an ABSOLUTE PLUS, I've heard of a couple high level recruits during JT3's last five years mentioned in private within their social circles that the campus makeup played a factor in their decision to go elsewhere. Like BIG Coach & JT3 use to say Georgetown isn't for everybody!
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Post by drquigley on Jul 3, 2020 13:40:39 GMT -5
I think Dr. Quigley was talking about types of students that Georgetown enrolls not the number of students. If I am wrong Dr., I apologize. Jeff Green touched on that on Dawg Talk when he was talking about his Official Visit & even his freshmen year when he stated (paraphrasing) he showed up with his Carmelo Corn Roles in his 3X shorts & XXXXL & XXXXXL White Tees (the style back then) and all the other students were popping their polo collars it was like a completely different world to him and was in part the reason he cut his Kwahi Leonard before Kwahi Leonard hair style off after his freshmen year. I remember Zo and other Hoya players spent a lot of his time at Howard where Zo met his wife. With the cost going up at least 10X what it was in the mid 80's yet black & brown income & wealth growth overall has been at best stagnant (for systemic reasons) since then, academic qualifications are not the issue minorities face, it's the ability to afford a Georgetown education vs alternatives that would require a lot less debt post graduation. So you end up with a majority of a certain kind of socio economic type of student body. Also some minority athletes may feel more comfortable at a more socially diverse institution. While having a Black Head Coach, Coaching Staff, and Athletic director is an ABSOLUTE PLUS, I've heard of a couple high level recruits during JT3's last five years mentioned in private within their social circles that the campus makeup played a factor in their decision to go elsewhere. Like BIG Coach & JT3 use to say Georgetown isn't for everybody! Exactly. The recent admissions scandal highlights how many people view GU as exclusive and apparently are willing to break the law to get their kids in. Even an episode of Sopranos raised this point--Carmela backed a ricotta pie for her neighbor a GU med school grad. Back in 64-68 those of us from lower middle class backgrounds always referred to richer kids (their own cars and polo ponies) as HOYAS. My infrequent trips back to campus just reinforces this impression. I really worry that this has a lot to do with minority student/athlete's problems. BLM will only heighten minority students awareness of this disparity and make it harder to recruit.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 3, 2020 14:05:52 GMT -5
I think Dr. Quigley was talking about types of students that Georgetown enrolls not the number of students. If I am wrong Dr., I apologize. Jeff Green touched on that on Dawg Talk when he was talking about his Official Visit & even his freshmen year when he stated (paraphrasing) he showed up with his Carmelo Corn Roles in his 3X shorts & XXXXL & XXXXXL White Tees (the style back then) and all the other students were popping their polo collars it was like a completely different world to him and was in part the reason he cut his Kwahi Leonard before Kwahi Leonard hair style off after his freshmen year. I remember Zo and other Hoya players spent a lot of his time at Howard where Zo met his wife. With the cost going up at least 10X what it was in the mid 80's yet black & brown income & wealth growth overall has been at best stagnant (for systemic reasons) since then, academic qualifications are not the issue minorities face, it's the ability to afford a Georgetown education vs alternatives that would require a lot less debt post graduation. So you end up with a majority of a certain kind of socio economic type of student body. Also some minority athletes may feel more comfortable at a more socially diverse institution. While having a Black Head Coach, Coaching Staff, and Athletic director is an ABSOLUTE PLUS, I've heard of a couple high level recruits during JT3's last five years mentioned in private within their social circles that the campus makeup played a factor in their decision to go elsewhere. Like BIG Coach & JT3 use to say Georgetown isn't for everybody! Exactly. The recent admissions scandal highlights how many people view GU as exclusive and apparently are willing to break the law to get their kids in. Even an episode of Sopranos raised this point--Carmela backed a ricotta pie for her neighbor a GU med school grad. Back in 64-68 those of us from lower middle class backgrounds always referred to richer kids (their own cars and polo ponies) as HOYAS. My infrequent trips back to campus just reinforces this impression. I really worry that this has a lot to do with minority student/athlete's problems. BLM will only heighten minority students awareness of this disparity and make it harder to recruit. Love to hear your thoughts on "Joe Hoya." "Joe Hoya" signified the same as your collective term "HOYAS". "Joe Hoya" was a term still used during my years on the Hilltop (1973-77). I am neither Catholic nor white and attended GU because of the reputation of SFS. The rise of Hoya basketball was simply fortuitous. georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/15/meet-joe-hoya/Fritz Brogan today: www.missiongroupdc.com/fritz-brogan/
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 3, 2020 16:28:51 GMT -5
I think Dr. Quigley was talking about types of students that Georgetown enrolls not the number of students. If I am wrong Dr., I apologize. Jeff Green touched on that on Dawg Talk when he was talking about his Official Visit & even his freshmen year when he stated (paraphrasing) he showed up with his Carmelo Corn Roles in his 3X shorts & XXXXL & XXXXXL White Tees (the style back then) and all the other students were popping their polo collars it was like a completely different world to him and was in part the reason he cut his Kwahi Leonard before Kwahi Leonard hair style off after his freshmen year. I remember Zo and other Hoya players spent a lot of his time at Howard where Zo met his wife. With the cost going up at least 10X what it was in the mid 80's yet black & brown income & wealth growth overall has been at best stagnant (for systemic reasons) since then, academic qualifications are not the issue minorities face, it's the ability to afford a Georgetown education vs alternatives that would require a lot less debt post graduation. So you end up with a majority of a certain kind of socio economic type of student body. Also some minority athletes may feel more comfortable at a more socially diverse institution. While having a Black Head Coach, Coaching Staff, and Athletic director is an ABSOLUTE PLUS, I've heard of a couple high level recruits during JT3's last five years mentioned in private within their social circles that the campus makeup played a factor in their decision to go elsewhere. Like BIG Coach & JT3 use to say Georgetown isn't for everybody! Exactly. The recent admissions scandal highlights how many people view GU as exclusive and apparently are willing to break the law to get their kids in. Even an episode of Sopranos raised this point--Carmela backed a ricotta pie for her neighbor a GU med school grad. Back in 64-68 those of us from lower middle class backgrounds always referred to richer kids (their own cars and polo ponies) as HOYAS. My infrequent trips back to campus just reinforces this impression. I really worry that this has a lot to do with minority student/athlete's problems. BLM will only heighten minority students awareness of this disparity and make it harder to recruit. Georgetown has been quite exclusive for a while. I came from a largely middle class background, and when I got there in 1999, I was definitely a bit out of place. Of course, not nearly what Jeff Green described in Dawg Talk, but it was definitely a different culture than what I had been accustomed to in high school. My (Catholic) high school had very few students go on to Georgetown or similar schools in my day (and I think even less now), yet prep schools like Hotchkiss, Phillips Exeter, etc. routinely had tons of students going to Georgetown every year. At least when I was at Georgetown, there were still kids who chose Georgetown because it was a Catholic school and it was an elite academic school. I imagine that probably still happens to some degree, but I wonder if that's less of a factor, as the school has gotten more competitive with admissions. And, to be clear, I do not mean any of this in a judgmental or negative way at all. I think it's just the path Georgetown has taken as an elite academic school, and in that way, it's really not all that much different from a lot of other top schools, including some of the Ivies (except Georgetown has less money). As far as Georgetown goes, John Thompson Jr. was fighting for much of what the BLM movement wants to achieve decades ago, and in the 1980s Georgetown was known for that. It's too bad that really true anymore.
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Post by DallasHoya on Jul 3, 2020 18:35:58 GMT -5
[/quote]Georgetown has been quite exclusive for a while.[/quote]
As a freshman in 1978 I remembering asking why are all these kids wearing sport-coats around campus and to class.
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Post by drquigley on Jul 3, 2020 19:59:54 GMT -5
Georgetown has been quite exclusive for a while.[/quote] As a freshman in 1978 I remembering asking why are all these kids wearing sport-coats around campus and to class.[/quote] Back in the 60's you had to wear coat and tie. i think it was senior year, 1968, that the dress code changed.
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