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Post by jwp91 on Jul 19, 2020 3:36:26 GMT -5
I don’t have an ideal type of player,” he said. “You have to look at everyone that you recruit, see what kind of characteristics they have. You’d love to have somebody who has a high motor, who can shoot, who can dribble, who can rebound, who can pass. But everybody’s different. You definitely want high character, high basketball IQ guys.”
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Post by prhoya on Jul 19, 2020 11:56:24 GMT -5
I don’t have an ideal type of player,” he said. “You have to look at everyone that you recruit, see what kind of characteristics they have. You’d love to have somebody who has a high motor, who can shoot, who can dribble, who can rebound, who can pass. But everybody’s different. You definitely want high character, high basketball IQ guys.” That’s my ideal type of player: high motor, can shoot, can dribble, can rebound, can pass, high character and high basketball IQ. I would add that the player needs to be proud of his defense. Why is Pat forgetting about good defending?
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Post by rlo24 on Jul 19, 2020 20:12:01 GMT -5
I don’t have an ideal type of player,” he said. “You have to look at everyone that you recruit, see what kind of characteristics they have. You’d love to have somebody who has a high motor, who can shoot, who can dribble, who can rebound, who can pass. But everybody’s different. You definitely want high character, high basketball IQ guys.” I love recruiting offense if you and your staff are skilled at coaching defense. That doesn't seem to be the case. Im not sure what the ideal recruit is. Maybe his description is it for his style. We dont really have an offensive scheme and defense isnt coached well so guess high motor scorers are a must
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Post by wponds on Jul 20, 2020 13:41:19 GMT -5
A nice (and expensive) gift for a Georgetown or Knicks fan you know
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TC
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Post by TC on Jul 20, 2020 16:30:12 GMT -5
Our coaching job works to further his celebrity and his celebrity has done absolutely nothing for our team.
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Post by guru on Jul 20, 2020 20:35:39 GMT -5
Our coaching job works to further his celebrity and his celebrity has done absolutely nothing for our team. Imbecilic, but typical. If anything, our coaching job works to tarnish his celebrity at this point. Can you truly be that bitter and vindictive about Ewing?
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Post by TC on Jul 20, 2020 21:23:59 GMT -5
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Post by rhw485 on Jul 21, 2020 6:19:50 GMT -5
My first reaction was: (1) does he really need the money? and (2) doesn't he have better things to be doing?
But all it took was a quick google search to realize there's plenty of college coaches doing the same thing. Calipari signed up during Covid and donated all the money to his foundation but I saw Musselman and Chris Mack on there as well. New world.
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Post by hoyas315 on Jul 21, 2020 7:53:45 GMT -5
[ Why does Georgetown keep missing out on local prospects?
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That is the question at hand on the Hilltop over the past few years, dating back to the final years of John Thompson III’s tenure, and the early going of Patrick Ewing. The questions began to swirl louder again last week whenever four-star wing and Maret School standout Quincy Allen picked Colorado.
Hoyas’ fans began to rejoice whenever local Gonzaga standout Terrance Williams committed to the program last winter before making matters worse when he quickly flipped to Michigan. There has never been a lack of talent from the DMV and that continues to the case; whether it is Rivals150 targets picking the Wolverines, Maryland, Miami, Syracuse, Villanova, or Virginia, Georgetown has just not gotten over the hump for one reason or another.
Maybe Ewing has to bring someone onto his staff that has deeper ties within the region. Does going all-out for a travel program director as in an Osman Bangura of Team Durant, Keith Stevens of Team Takeover, Donnell Dobbins of Team Thrill or Damon Handon of DC Premier help? It could not hurt but things do have to change.
Georgetown is arguably a top-20 job in the sport and are facing a major rebuild as it sits among the lower half of the Big East. It is involved with a handful five-star prospects in the 2021 class but it does not look promising.
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Post by calhoya on Jul 21, 2020 9:14:38 GMT -5
So many challenges facing this coach and this program but it starts here with recruiting at the local level. Local kids will generate local enthusiasm--something missing for several years now. I have no idea whether Ewing's incoming recruits signal a recruting philosophical pivot away from the higher profile kids like some of those who have recently departed after struggling to fit within the team concept or whether these are simply the "best of the rest" after failing on so many higher ranked targets. In either event, there is little representation from the DMV on this team and unless the team unexpectedly produces a winner on the court this year, the lack of local talent will not help fill seats (assuming that this is allowed) or gain mention in the local media.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 21, 2020 14:16:38 GMT -5
[ Why does Georgetown keep missing out on local prospects? br] That is the question at hand on the Hilltop over the past few years, dating back to the final years of John Thompson III’s tenure, and the early going of Patrick Ewing. The questions began to swirl louder again last week whenever four-star wing and Maret School standout Quincy Allen picked Colorado. Hoyas’ fans began to rejoice whenever local Gonzaga standout Terrance Williams committed to the program last winter before making matters worse when he quickly flipped to Michigan. There has never been a lack of talent from the DMV and that continues to the case; whether it is Rivals150 targets picking the Wolverines, Maryland, Miami, Syracuse, Villanova, or Virginia, Georgetown has just not gotten over the hump for one reason or another. Maybe Ewing has to bring someone onto his staff that has deeper ties within the region. Does going all-out for a travel program director as in an Osman Bangura of Team Durant, Keith Stevens of Team Takeover, Donnell Dobbins of Team Thrill or Damon Handon of DC Premier help? It could not hurt but things do have to change. Georgetown is arguably a top-20 job in the sport and are facing a major rebuild as it sits among the lower half of the Big East. It is involved with a handful five-star prospects in the 2021 class but it does not look promising. I agree with the question in this article. We've been talking about hiring former players but at the same time we should find a guy connected with AAU. I dont know any of these coaches but if we could find a local AAU coach that has the coaching chops, I'd be very happy.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jul 22, 2020 6:05:15 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 22, 2020 12:46:20 GMT -5
This is interesting, and thoughtful. I just wonder how this compares to other universities. No doubt, Georgetown is a "predominantly white institution," as the one student-athlete noted, but this is just as true at the Ivy League universities, as well as many, if not most, of the high level basketball schools in Division 1. Having not been on campus as a student for nearly 20 years, I cannot speak to the university experience, I just doubt that it is significantly different at other peer-level basketball universities. That said, Georgetown should take whatever measures it needs to take to make the environment as comfortable as possible for all involved. Also, the basketball program has a long history of advocating for African Americans, one of the greatest things John Thompson Jr. did, and I think that tradition is valuable, even if much less known in 2020. I would hope that that history, plus Patrick Ewing's connection to it, would help, if anything.
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Post by reformation on Jul 22, 2020 13:28:15 GMT -5
Would have to think that Gtwn is certainly no better/worse off in this regard than competitor/peer places. The current and prior AD both African Americans + significant # of staff/coaches. Some sports such as T&F have consciously adjusted their recruiting to be more diverse.
Compared to an Ivy Gtwn is probably more "White" and less "Asian". I highly doubt this difference would have much of an influence on African American student athletes.
Univ may address some of the issues raised in the video-have no idea or special insight other than that seems to be the trend in general
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jul 22, 2020 13:39:34 GMT -5
That article lays a significant amount of culpability at the feet of the AD (Reed) and university leadership (Degioia). I would agree that the responsibility of losing recruits should be shouldered partially by them and not only for the reasons listed in the article, but also because of the sheer fact that they are the ones who are responsible for the ensuring the staff does their job and taking appropriate actions when they do not. But that is not to completely absolve the current staff of that responsibility either.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jul 25, 2020 8:45:15 GMT -5
In light of the recent recruits brought to the program, I believe Coach and the staff should be given a thumbs up. They have always been able to identify talent. Initially, some may argue they added some players to have bodies on the team, not highly talented. Last year's team would have been quite effective, but we all know what happened (not trying to start a debate regarding whose fault that is).
Coach has brought in guys with some edge, with a little something to prove. I know this is a big "if", but if he can get them to play for the name on the front of their jersey, buy into the system and it can be successful (would everyone agree that finishing in the top half of the BE conference would be a success this year), the next year could be magical.
We honestly have no idea who the staff is really after, neither do the talking heads. Look how many had us in the running for Jordan Riley two days before he made his decision. This could be the first domino. Believe you me, I wish we had more success last year, but I have to exercise more patience. You could see what Coach was trying to accomplish at the end of the year, we just didn't have enough bodies (and at the very end, bench talent). I truly believe this year will be different, if we have a season that is.
Thanks Coach, we believe.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 30, 2020 13:04:09 GMT -5
Knicks have hired Tom Thibodeau so they won't be poaching Pat quite yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 14:17:54 GMT -5
Knicks have hired Tom Thibodeau so they won't be poaching Pat quite yet. 3 years seems like just about enough time for Pat to build his title winning Hoya squad, Thibs to get the axe, and Pat to get the Knicks job.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jul 30, 2020 16:37:50 GMT -5
I would like to see Patrick Ewing obtain the Knicks head coach job, in three years after three years of great success at Georgetown University!
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Post by mdtd on Aug 11, 2020 17:06:10 GMT -5
I thought this was the best thread for this, but I could be wrong.
Alright, well since this seems to be at least partially against some/most of the things I have said on this board, I should respond. First off, there's a reason Tim played 12 games. He was a very raw prospect and Q and Yurtseven were better. Also, you develop more in practice playing against better players (like Q and Yurtseven) every day (for hours) than against the starting center for UMBC, American, Samford, Central Arkansas, Mount St. Mary's, etc for forty minutes, at most. I'd say the same thing even for the high major teams like Cuse, Texas Duke, Penn State, etc. Development mostly happens in practice. So, I don't think this made much of difference.
Next, per 40 minute foul stats aren't BS. There are BS stats, but this one isn't. The bigs fouled a lot (partially due to the hard hedge) and probably partially due to Tim being raw. I remember seeing him move/nudge (for lack of a better term) his elbows multiple times after gathering a rebound that could've hit someone and given him a flagrant foul. He would do this for what seemed like no reason and could've easily hit someone. It's just a product of him being raw and college games being called to tight sometimes.
As for the second part, yeah I don't think we need to use every available scholarship. Especially for those late gets that don't move the needle. Let's say Ryan commits and someone leaves. I don't think we'd need to fill the last scholarship with someone who wouldn't move the needle immediately. I think Carey moved the needle a ton, so this doesn't apply to our last get this season. That being said, again, development happens in practice. These guys should have to earn their minutes. In practice or games. I don't like larger rotations because they can cause chemistry issues. Larger rotations can work, but it didn't last season. There's a reason Jay Wright hasn't had more than ten guys (usually nine) play over half of their games since 2009-10. He's only been over nine three times in 2017-18 when Tim Delaney played 2.2MPG in 22 games and Jermaine Samuels played 6.1MPG in 25 games, 2013-14 when Darryl Reynolds played 3.1MPG in 21 games, and 2011-12 when they had a very balanced minutes distribution. 2011-12 was also the only season they didn't play postseason basketball under Jay Wright as a coach and the only time he didn't make the Big Dance since 2005-06. It's not a coincidence.
Larger rotations can work. If we are going to press and speed everything up, then we might need to do deeper. Our play style isn't the same as Nova's, but even so, the smaller rotations usually work for most programs. If we're going to press and have everyone running, the guys will need to have enough energy to make that work. We might need our Jevon Carter to do that for 40mpg (the story of Huggins recruiting him b/c he was full court pressing at like 9 am all game is awesome and hilarious) but it can work with a large rotation.
That being said, having guys like Q, Tim and Malcolm would help Ryan get better as a player. Having Pat as his coach would help his development. Ryan is definitely good enough to play on this team. I'd play him over Tim (who I'd redshirt) and Malcolm (based on the very little I know about him) confidently. We are not in the position to turn down a top 100 prospect and there's no reason for us to. Ryan is good enough. I have no idea why you would think he isn't. I don't get it. He'd be the best recruit we had seen under Ewing. There's a reason for it. He can flat out play.
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