jackofjoy
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Post by jackofjoy on Jun 8, 2024 6:49:34 GMT -5
Assuming the upcoming season is even a slight upgrade (5-6 BE wins), I think it will do a lot for player retention and transfer portal success next year. Agree with 2003 that at some point a “big bag” (and GU’s once thought to be large version seems to keep getting surpassed) can’t make up for few wins, sparse crowds and no hint of post season play.
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Post by miket3131 on Jun 8, 2024 7:58:51 GMT -5
Assuming the upcoming season is even a slight upgrade (5-6 BE wins), I think it will do a lot for player retention and transfer portal success next year. Agree with 2003 that at some point a “big bag” (and GU’s once thought to be large version seems to keep getting surpassed) can’t make up for few wins, sparse crowds and no hint of post season play. and you think 5-6 BE wins will help?
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jun 8, 2024 13:39:49 GMT -5
I think it needs to be 8 or 9, but even 6 would be something if—big if—we retain the roster.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Jun 8, 2024 19:31:18 GMT -5
Bottom line is, we had to get a solid big who could contribute. It wasn't optional. Didn't land one, and as a result we won't make as big a jump as we all hoped, and as a result of that some of our top guys will look elsewhere.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 8, 2024 21:29:51 GMT -5
I think it needs to be 8 or 9, but even 6 would be something if—big if—we retain the roster. In this environment, why would anybody think a 6-win Big East team would “retain the roster”?
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jun 9, 2024 5:02:32 GMT -5
I think it needs to be 8 or 9, but even 6 would be something if—big if—we retain the roster. In this environment, why would anybody think a 6-win Big East team would “retain the roster”? I don’t think we would, which is why I don’t actually think 6 wins this year is good enough, and why I caveated that point with “big if.”
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Post by bigskyhoya on Jun 9, 2024 7:51:08 GMT -5
In this environment, why would anybody think a 6-win Big East team would “retain the roster”? I don’t think we would, which is why I don’t actually think 6 wins this year is good enough, and why I caveated that point with “big if.” Successful teams have also experienced turnover in this environment. Sure, winning more would help with retention but where it really helps is bringing in equal or better talent to replace those who leave. Let's win first and worry about the rest later.
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Post by hsaxon on Jun 9, 2024 9:36:24 GMT -5
You cant fully judge the transfers until they fill the remaining spots. The portal is closed but there are surprises entered weekly. So far, pretty good with a top 25 transfer class. Ideally, they add another 5 that can start and bring Sorber along slowly. If they absolutely cannot find anyone to fill that role, they go back with Supreme. Other than that, the last 2 can be just about anybody. Maybe a shooter Note: If Hurley goes to the Lakers, the UConn players have 30 days to enter the portal.
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 9, 2024 13:45:22 GMT -5
Bottom line is, we had to get a solid big who could contribute. It wasn't optional. Didn't land one, and as a result we won't make as big a jump as we all hoped, and as a result of that some of our top guys will look elsewhere. I don’t entirely disagree but we have to consider the possibility that Fielder, Sorber, and Burks over-achieve expectation. I saw one picture of Fielder from the last week, and he looked thick and fit. That would be consistent with what we need. Fielder cannot be simply over-powered in the lane. He has to be able to hold his space and stay in the game without fouling out. Is that scenario on the slim end of the probability scenario? Yes. Is it possible? Also yes.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jun 9, 2024 14:02:22 GMT -5
Bottom line is, we had to get a solid big who could contribute. It wasn't optional. Didn't land one, and as a result we won't make as big a jump as we all hoped, and as a result of that some of our top guys will look elsewhere. I don’t entirely disagree but we have to consider the possibility that Fielder, Sorber, and Burks over-achieve expectation. I saw one picture of Fielder from the last week, and he looked thick and fit. That would be consistent with what we need. Fielder cannot be simply over-powered in the lane. He has to be able to hold his space and stay in the game without fouling out. Is that scenario on the slim end of the probability scenario? Yes. Is it possible? Also yes. I am actually more concerned about depth than quality of our bigs.
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 9, 2024 15:18:11 GMT -5
I don’t entirely disagree but we have to consider the possibility that Fielder, Sorber, and Burks over-achieve expectation. I saw one picture of Fielder from the last week, and he looked thick and fit. That would be consistent with what we need. Fielder cannot be simply over-powered in the lane. He has to be able to hold his space and stay in the game without fouling out. Is that scenario on the slim end of the probability scenario? Yes. Is it possible? Also yes. I am actually more concerned about depth than quality of our bigs. Agree. It could be a problem. Burks could try to play 5 in a pinch. I guess Peavy could be a small ball 4. Caleb Williams has drawn some defensive assignments guarding bigger guys in high school. Maybe he is called into duty. They are going to need some contingency plans.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 9, 2024 15:20:01 GMT -5
Bottom line is, we had to get a solid big who could contribute. It wasn't optional. Didn't land one, and as a result we won't make as big a jump as we all hoped, and as a result of that some of our top guys will look elsewhere. You seem to be throwing in the towel before the season even begins. Not only that, but several months before we begin. There is a scenario where even with the current roster we are better than everyone expects. That's largely based on improvement/quality from the freshman and upperclassman. I think that scenario is on the upper end of achievement possibilities (so unlikely). But not impossible. And I realize this has no merit based on anything, but I feel like we've been so bad for so long, we are in some senses overdue for a season where people actually overachieve and play better than we expect. At Providence, Cooley did that a few times. Can he and our roster do it here? I don't know, but I sure hope so. And I am certainly not throwing in the towel on the season only a week after our freshman and new players report to campus! Imagine if you were Thomas Sorber and were like, "Well, suicideslushpupie says we didn't land a center--even though I am a center--so we aren't going to make a big jump and so my teammates are going to be looking elsewhere." If this was Ewing after the 0-20 year, I might be with you, but there are reasons to think we will be better, and we do have some influx of talent, too. So there are some reasons to be cautiously optimistic that we could get a better result than expected. That's really our best hope at this point for next season. I realize that last season was awful, but at Providence, Cooley was under .500 in Big East play only 3 times in 12 seasons (and one of those was 9-10, and another was his first season). For Cooley to have another team as awful as last year's would be unprecedented in his coaching career. Of course, so was last season, but one has to hope that was an outlier.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Jun 13, 2024 22:34:47 GMT -5
Saying we'll be improved over last season really isn't saying much. We'll still be in the lowest tier of the conference, and it doesn't take a brilliant person to realize that.
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Post by TC on Jun 14, 2024 6:56:37 GMT -5
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jun 14, 2024 6:59:52 GMT -5
I have said this before but will say again we can't go into next season with the current roster for the simple fact you couldn't even appropriately scrimmage at practice with this roster without forcing a wing to play out of place...I don't know who it is at this point but they have to bring in a 4-5 no matter what
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Post by kghoya on Jun 14, 2024 7:08:23 GMT -5
Kyle is just a proud dad, as he should be. His takes are very optimistic.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 14, 2024 9:02:02 GMT -5
Kyle is just a proud dad, as he should be. His takes are very optimistic. I’ll take that optimism! It reinvigorates this board!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 14, 2024 9:58:41 GMT -5
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Jun 14, 2024 10:01:13 GMT -5
That and 2 million bucks.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 14, 2024 10:02:40 GMT -5
When the (Allstate) Big 12 is involved, there's going to be money.
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