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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 7, 2024 9:56:53 GMT -5
"5 potential landing spots for Georgetown transfer forward Supreme Cook... Coleman Hawkins, Arthur Kaluma, and Jamir Watkins are the biggest names still remaining, but they are far from the only contributors still looking for a new home. That list includes Supreme Cook, a graduate transfer with one year of eligibility left who entered the portal back in April after one season with Ed Cooley at Georgetown. The 6’9 big man averaged 10.5 points and 8.0 rebounds in 27.1 minutes per night, shooting 57.5% from the floor and 57.1% from the free throw line. Cook spent the first three years of his career at Fairfield in the MAAC, earning all-conference honors in 2022-23 when he averaged 13.1 points and 8.5 rebounds... 1 West Virginia Mountaineers 2 Seton Hall Pirates 3 Georgetown Hoyas Sometimes the best gets are the ones you already have. A return from Cook to Georgetown would be a big win for coach Ed Cooley as he looks to bring this once proud program out of the Big East cellar and back into college basketball’s good graces. Georgetown has made quality additions via the portal, including Micah Peavy from TCU and Malik Mack from Harvard, but they haven’t replaced Cook in the frontcourt. Getting the big man back in the mix for his final season of eligibility should be a top priority for the Hoyas if they can stave off the other programs in the mix. 4 Oregon Ducks 5 Florida State Seminoles" collegesportswire.usatoday.com/lists/transfer-portal-supreme-cook-georgetown-basketball/?taid=6662aff210e4d0000103e0cf&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Jun 7, 2024 9:57:47 GMT -5
All quiet on the Hilltop. Just seems like Cooley is content to just go with what he has. My prediction is that we have another lackluster season and several of our top guys leave for greener pastures. screenshot taken. Just don’t go into hiding when it turns out to be accurate.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 7, 2024 10:02:29 GMT -5
He’s clearly not content with what he has. He’s tried extremely hard to get multiple bigs but he failed to land any of them. Like I said before, in today’s day and age you have to willing to overpay in order to fill needs. You have to be willing to offer more than what every other program is offering. Based on everything I’ve heard and read, we haven’t shown the willingness to do that. Reading between the lines, it seems like our strategy has been to try to have a "payroll" of sorts where some people aren't paid substantially more than other roster members providing comparable contributions. The problem with that is it doesn't take into account the NIL supply and demand of the constantly evolving portal, where there are far fewer impact big men, for example, than small guards and wings. The other problem is for some reason we are giving a lot of $ to certain returners from last year's disastrous team and setting payroll around that, which I think is a tremendous mistake.
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Post by wolveribe on Jun 7, 2024 10:08:01 GMT -5
You cant fully judge the transfers until they fill the remaining spots. The portal is closed but there are surprises entered weekly. So far, pretty good with a top 25 transfer class.
Ideally, they add another 5 that can start and bring Sorber along slowly. If they absolutely cannot find anyone to fill that role, they go back with Supreme.
Other than that, the last 2 can be just about anybody. Maybe a shooter
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Post by bostonfan on Jun 7, 2024 10:17:12 GMT -5
You can fully judge the transfers until they fill the remaining spots. The portal is closed but there are surprises entered weekly. So far, pretty good with a top 25 transfer class. Ideally, they add another 5 that can start and bring Sorber along slowly. If they absolutely cannot find anyone to fill that role, they go back with Supreme. Other than that, the last 2 can be just about anybody. Maybe a shooter I don't think they will fill all 3 spots right now. It seems like the staff likes to have some flexibility to add a scholarship player if someone unexpected becomes available later in the process or even during the season. With that being said, I do hope they fill 2 of the three spots (with a big man and shooter). It is getting late and options are thin at this point, but hopefully we can find a few more players.
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Post by RBHoya on Jun 7, 2024 10:18:32 GMT -5
The other problem is for some reason we are giving a lot of $ to certain returners from last year's disastrous team and setting payroll around that, which I think is a tremendous mistake. A rare moment where I agree with you. I would have rather let said returner leave, as he supposedly threatened to do, than to give him a significant raise. Even if that meant that we had to pursue and start a cheaper option from the portal, like maybe the kid from UPenn, or even a freshman. Then reinvest the $$ saved into one impact big to help bridge us to when Fielder and Sorber (both of whom I think have potential to be excellent eventually) are ready. But the staff saw it differently (or maybe miscalculated and thought they could have both), and next season will largely rise or fall based on whether or not they were right, because that "returner" is going to be at the center of everything again next year. Cooley and staff know far more about the game than I do, and my hope is that I am wrong about him and that he's a different player in a different context. But the staff has a lot riding on that belief.
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Post by wolveribe on Jun 7, 2024 10:27:12 GMT -5
You can fully judge the transfers until they fill the remaining spots. The portal is closed but there are surprises entered weekly. So far, pretty good with a top 25 transfer class. Ideally, they add another 5 that can start and bring Sorber along slowly. If they absolutely cannot find anyone to fill that role, they go back with Supreme. Other than that, the last 2 can be just about anybody. Maybe a shooter I don't think they will fill all 3 spots right now. It seems like the staff likes to have some flexibility to add a scholarship player if someone unexpected becomes available later in the process or even during the season. With that being said, I do hope they fill 2 of the three spots (with a big man and shooter). It is getting late and options are thin at this point, but hopefully we can find a few more players. I would assume they get 2. 1 being a center. Not really concerned yet as there is a lot of talent still remaining. Its been awfully quiet and I wonder if that is because they are already lined up.
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Post by conshyhoya on Jun 7, 2024 10:32:19 GMT -5
He’s clearly not content with what he has. He’s tried extremely hard to get multiple bigs but he failed to land any of them. Like I said before, in today’s day and age you have to willing to overpay in order to fill needs. You have to be willing to offer more than what every other program is offering. Based on everything I’ve heard and read, we haven’t shown the willingness to do that. Give some examples. By reports we were the highest bidder on Cliff O until he went to UNC and got offered $2 million and still didn't take that offer and instead committed to Alabama which if those reports were true we outbid. When there are only a handful of bigs that truly fit your need and everyone involved has a bag of cash it isn't coming down to just cash. I hate to break it to you but we can't just buy our way out of this. Ed is going to have to truly earn his money and be able to develop and retain players which isn't a one year process. His first year, he didn't help himself but did retain the 2 guys he recruited out of HS. This year's roster has a much higher ceiling talent wise. Hopefully he can show some of what he has in the past this year and we see improvements all around and outperform expectations.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jun 7, 2024 10:36:41 GMT -5
He’s clearly not content with what he has. He’s tried extremely hard to get multiple bigs but he failed to land any of them. Like I said before, in today’s day and age you have to willing to overpay in order to fill needs. You have to be willing to offer more than what every other program is offering. Based on everything I’ve heard and read, we haven’t shown the willingness to do that. not sure this is true --- my understanding is that we were higher offer for at least 3 bigs that went elsewhere
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Post by RBHoya on Jun 7, 2024 10:38:02 GMT -5
Not really concerned yet as there is a lot of talent still remaining. I'll have what you're having
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 7, 2024 10:48:00 GMT -5
Like I said before, in today’s day and age you have to willing to overpay in order to fill needs. You have to be willing to offer more than what every other program is offering. Based on everything I’ve heard and read, we haven’t shown the willingness to do that. not sure this is true --- my understanding is that we were higher offer for at least 3 bigs that went elsewhere Only further proving the point that it's not all about NIL--even though NIL is really important, it is necessary but not sufficient. Just like in professional sports, players do not always take their highest bid (or in some cases, do not even test the market before signing with their preferred team). NIL is evolving to a point where it is going to become a minimum requirement for having a decent team, but it is not going to be an Earth mover. As I've said before, if Georgetown offers Cliff O. $1.2 million, for example, and Alabama offers him $1 million, I don't think our higher offer is all that compelling--depending on his aims. If his aim was money, then it might be. But, other things, such as playing for an NCAA team, positioning yourself best for your post-college career, etc. are big factors that do not necessarily revolve around money. If we were in a position where Georgetown could offer $1 million and everyone else was offering $200,000 that would be one thing. But that is not the world we live in. That's part of the reason why it is absolutely crucial for Ed Cooley and Georgetown to have a better season this year. To build a program where you (a) retain players, and (b) get good players in the portal, you NEED to be a competitive team and offer more than just money. Given the depths Georgetown was at under Ewing, and then under Cooley Year 1, there were not a huge amount of compelling reasons for transfers with tons of options to come here. I do think it's great that we got Peavy and Mack, and a few of the others--clearly we had SOME appeal. Just not enough.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 7, 2024 10:52:40 GMT -5
Reading between the lines, it seems like our strategy has been to try to have a "payroll" of sorts where some people aren't paid substantially more than other roster members providing comparable contributions. The problem with that is it doesn't take into account the NIL supply and demand of the constantly evolving portal, where there are far fewer impact big men, for example, than small guards and wings. The other problem is for some reason we are giving a lot of $ to certain returners from last year's disastrous team and setting payroll around that, which I think is a tremendous mistake. I know we often disagree, but I think you are onto something here. The other problem with this approach is that we have a rapidly evolving NIL situation happening. For example, the March/April NIL 2024 amounts across the board seem to be wildly higher than they were in 2023. By definition, that is going to cause guys who got earlier deals to be "underpaid," and if you follow a payroll style approach, I am not sure that works. Of course, this problem isn't unique to Georgetown, but it would be a very Georgetown-like thing to do to have a good amount of NIL money but spend it poorly. After all, tons of professional franchises that have tons of money spend it badly all the time. There's no reason college progams cannot do the same thing. I do think the market for Centers will remain high going forward. While the game has evolved away from traditional centers, they can still be extremely valuable in college given the differences between the college game and the NBA. So the guys who are truly talented and 6'11 or 7 feet are going to go for huge amounts. The fact is that finding 6'2 guards is never going to be that problematic (granted, finding good ones is tough). But there is a limited quantity of 6'11 and 7 footers WITH skill. That is always going to make them more expensive at the college level. Thomas Sorber has the potential to be one of those guys. So assuming he turns out to be the player we all think he could be, Georgetown better be willing to pay up next offseason.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 7, 2024 12:21:47 GMT -5
Louisville has an $8-10MM NIL budget---if not the highest, probably only 2nd to Ark. Wonder which side said "no thanks"?
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Post by tgo on Jun 7, 2024 13:18:54 GMT -5
You can fully judge the transfers until they fill the remaining spots. The portal is closed but there are surprises entered weekly. So far, pretty good with a top 25 transfer class. Ideally, they add another 5 that can start and bring Sorber along slowly. If they absolutely cannot find anyone to fill that role, they go back with Supreme. Other than that, the last 2 can be just about anybody. Maybe a shooter I don't think they will fill all 3 spots right now. It seems like the staff likes to have some flexibility to add a scholarship player if someone unexpected becomes available later in the process or even during the season. With that being said, I do hope they fill 2 of the three spots (with a big man and shooter). It is getting late and options are thin at this point, but hopefully we can find a few more players. A month ago Cooley said he wanted to get a center and that would be it, he didn't plan to use the other spots. Of course the landscape is constantly shifting so maybe he would answer that question differently today. He also said that Cook's people were asking for a more significant raise than what Cooley was willing to offer, which is why he is out on the market looking for that deal somewhere else.
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Post by 401to202hoya on Jun 7, 2024 13:57:00 GMT -5
I don't think they will fill all 3 spots right now. It seems like the staff likes to have some flexibility to add a scholarship player if someone unexpected becomes available later in the process or even during the season. With that being said, I do hope they fill 2 of the three spots (with a big man and shooter). It is getting late and options are thin at this point, but hopefully we can find a few more players. A month ago Cooley said he wanted to get a center and that would be it, he didn't plan to use the other spots. Of course the landscape is constantly shifting so maybe he would answer that question differently today. He also said that Cook's people were asking for a more significant raise than what Cooley was willing to offer, which is why he is out on the market looking for that deal somewhere else. Honest question: what was the forum in which these comments were made? Are you saying EC is openly telling alums/fans what certain players are looking for in terms of NIL? I guess I'm just surprised as I always assumed all the leaks and inside info was coming from an assistant or someone connected with the program, not from the head coach himself.
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Post by tgo on Jun 7, 2024 14:56:37 GMT -5
A month ago Cooley said he wanted to get a center and that would be it, he didn't plan to use the other spots. Of course the landscape is constantly shifting so maybe he would answer that question differently today. He also said that Cook's people were asking for a more significant raise than what Cooley was willing to offer, which is why he is out on the market looking for that deal somewhere else. Honest question, what was the forum in which these comments were made? Are you saying EC is openly telling alums/fans what certain players are looking for in terms of NIL? I guess I'm just surprised as I also assumed all the leaks and inside info was coming from an assistant or someone connected with program, not from the head coach himself. Los Angeles alumni/donor event last month with Coach and AD Reed. During his general comments to the entire group he said he needs a center and then he would be done because he does not plan to use all his scholarships. I was in a group of 3 or 4 people with Coach outside of his group remarks and he was asked if we could get Cook back. Coach spoke highly of him but said that his people were expecting a raise that was bigger than what Coach was willing to offer and thus he did not expect Cook to return. He did not put specific numbers on things, nor did he answer with specifics when asked about the NIL budget he had to work with - just saying he needed more and that Calipari's budget dwarfed ours. He segued that comment into a discussion of how much time he spends talking to lawyers about the players they represent these days. More time with lawyers in the past year than the amount of time he spent with high school coaches in the last 5 years (might have said 10) combined. He clearly would rather be talking to players and coaches than talking to lawyers.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 7, 2024 18:40:59 GMT -5
Honest question, what was the forum in which these comments were made? Are you saying EC is openly telling alums/fans what certain players are looking for in terms of NIL? I guess I'm just surprised as I also assumed all the leaks and inside info was coming from an assistant or someone connected with program, not from the head coach himself. Los Angeles alumni/donor event last month with Coach and AD Reed. During his general comments to the entire group he said he needs a center and then he would be done because he does not plan to use all his scholarships. I was in a group of 3 or 4 people with Coach outside of his group remarks and he was asked if we could get Cook back. Coach spoke highly of him but said that his people were expecting a raise that was bigger than what Coach was willing to offer and thus he did not expect Cook to return. He did not put specific numbers on things, nor did he answer with specifics when asked about the NIL budget he had to work with - just saying he needed more and that Calipari's budget dwarfed ours. He segued that comment into a discussion of how much time he spends talking to lawyers about the players they represent these days. More time with lawyers in the past year than the amount of time he spent with high school coaches in the last 5 years (might have said 10) combined. He clearly would rather be talking to players and coaches than talking to lawyers. This system is an abomination. And I would say that even if our team were really good.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Jun 7, 2024 18:41:32 GMT -5
I certainly value and appreciate and respect all of your input. I admit that I can be pessimistic and cynical, at times; however, in the end we all want the same thing. I guess I'm just frustrated that it's not happening as quickly as I'd like, and we don't seem to have much sense of urgency.
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Post by bluechi on Jun 7, 2024 19:39:50 GMT -5
I certainly value and appreciate and respect all of your input. I admit that I can be pessimistic and cynical, at times; however, in the end we all want the same thing. I guess I'm just frustrated that it's not happening as quickly as I'd like, and we don't seem to have much sense of urgency. They're certainly appears to be urgency on his part the problem is he swinging for national guys he needs to get guys sort of along the lines like Seton Hall until they become a better team
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Post by madmike on Jun 8, 2024 0:48:04 GMT -5
Los Angeles alumni/donor event last month with Coach and AD Reed. During his general comments to the entire group he said he needs a center and then he would be done because he does not plan to use all his scholarships. I was in a group of 3 or 4 people with Coach outside of his group remarks and he was asked if we could get Cook back. Coach spoke highly of him but said that his people were expecting a raise that was bigger than what Coach was willing to offer and thus he did not expect Cook to return. He did not put specific numbers on things, nor did he answer with specifics when asked about the NIL budget he had to work with - just saying he needed more and that Calipari's budget dwarfed ours. He segued that comment into a discussion of how much time he spends talking to lawyers about the players they represent these days. More time with lawyers in the past year than the amount of time he spent with high school coaches in the last 5 years (might have said 10) combined. He clearly would rather be talking to players and coaches than talking to lawyers. This system is an abomination. And I would say that even if our team were really good. Perfectly said. As much as I love gtown and this sport it’s almost unbearable.
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