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Post by hoyariv71 on Jun 25, 2024 11:40:08 GMT -5
I certainly agree, I still think/hope we may get a late arrival, Cook would have been perfect for us. Gonna put a lot of pressure on Fielder , burks McKenna and Sorber to develop and maintain a preseance inside.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jun 25, 2024 11:56:14 GMT -5
Cook would not have been perfect for us. If we had wanted Cook, he would still be here.
Literally, the lowest rated defender in the entire Big East last year.
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Post by hoyariv71 on Jun 25, 2024 14:23:03 GMT -5
I would take him as a 10-12 minute backup.
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Post by bicentennial on Jun 25, 2024 16:12:54 GMT -5
Cook's defensive stats were woeful. Someone expressed much earlier in the recruiting cycle this year that Cook needed to stay on the floor for an extended time as when the team played without him on the floor, our scoring suffered greatly. Having only Fielder and Sorber as bigs heading into this year, we may yet see both of their defensive statistics similarly suffer if our offense stalls if one or both foul out of a game. Having a third big who is efficient on offense would prevent that from being an issue. We will have to look at Cook's defensive and offensive stats at Oregon to learn whether it is Cook or the demands of our team last year that caused the woeful defensive metrics.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Jun 25, 2024 16:32:04 GMT -5
I really think we need another experienced ballhandler unless we really view all 40 PG as Epps and Mack’s. It does appear we have some flexibility with a Peavy/Williams/McKenna being able to slide down and play the 2/3 in some capacity but Mulready being the only true “guard” seems to be a bit of a weird roster construction to me.
Unless, and I’m truly starting to believe this more based on circumstantial evidence, Cooley really truly believed this was realistically a 3 year turnaround unless something unexpected happened. We only missed on a starting center this off-season, but so it appears that he was okay blooding in a young roster that will return an experience core of 9/10 (or 10/11 or 9/11 with Awaka or Cliff) guys from in 2025 when college basketball finally loses all the really old guys. Objectively, this roster looks fantastic by itself 12 months from now. You’d start a junior Mack, senior Epps, junior Fielder, and then some possible combo of juniors Burks/Williams, redshirt sophomore McKenna, or sophomore Sorber. That’s 4/5 upperclassmen with a ton of minutes under their belts. Roster 2 years from now coups roll out 4/5 of those guys again. We’ve got a real window here if we develop players and add a couple key pieces each year, where we could put out a roster who realistically can compete for a BE title or FF.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 25, 2024 18:38:33 GMT -5
I really think we need another experienced ballhandler unless we really view all 40 PG as Epps and Mack’s. It does appear we have some flexibility with a Peavy/Williams/McKenna being able to slide down and play the 2/3 in some capacity but Mulready being the only true “guard” seems to be a bit of a weird roster construction to me. Unless, and I’m truly starting to believe this more based on circumstantial evidence, Cooley really truly believed this was realistically a 3 year turnaround unless something unexpected happened. We only missed on a starting center this off-season, but so it appears that he was okay blooding in a young roster that will return an experience core of 9/10 (or 10/11 or 9/11 with Awaka or Cliff) guys from in 2025 when college basketball finally loses all the really old guys. Objectively, this roster looks fantastic by itself 12 months from now. You’d start a junior Mack, senior Epps, junior Fielder, and then some possible combo of juniors Burks/Williams, redshirt sophomore McKenna, or sophomore Sorber. That’s 4/5 upperclassmen with a ton of minutes under their belts. Roster 2 years from now coups roll out 4/5 of those guys again. We’ve got a real window here if we develop players and add a couple key pieces each year, where we could put out a roster who realistically can compete for a BE title or FF. I'll have what he ordered. This assumes no attrition or significant injuries. It's pretty hard to assume no attrition these days. Yes, I know Marquette has done it, but they are the exception. Look at Duke, making the Final Four and then losing half a roster. Welcome to the wonderful world of college basketball.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 25, 2024 19:35:21 GMT -5
We are 2-3 deep at every position except a backup center, if that is what dooms next season we are in ALOT OF TROUBLE I mean it’s not crazy to say not having a second center, could, indeed, kill our season. You mean a third center? Both Fielder and Sorber can play center. In a cinch, I'm betting Burks can as well. Yes, there's real questions of effectiveness, but let's not make a weakness look worse by some convoluted argument that either Sorber or Fielder can't play center.
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 26, 2024 6:26:39 GMT -5
I mean it’s not crazy to say not having a second center, could, indeed, kill our season. You mean a third center? Both Fielder and Sorber can play center. In a cinch, I'm betting Burks can as well. Yes, there's real questions of effectiveness, but let's not make a weakness look worse by some convoluted argument that either Sorber or Fielder can't play center. Agree. I don’t think there is anyone who doesn’t agree we need another big for depth purposes. Not having one will certainly bite us in the ass at some point in the season even if we can get by most of the time with Fielder, Sorber, and Burks. Hopefully, Ed can pull one out of a hat between now and the season.
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Post by bluechi on Jun 29, 2024 21:11:02 GMT -5
Seriously? Did you see how GU got ate up at center AND power forward last year? They were bullied. Fielder is not a center and certainly not Burks - not even in a cinch. UNLESS they get much bigger. Good thing is lots of teams have success playing small ball but the better be able to run and use leverage....that being said, Sorber has a chance to be near-special as next season closes out if not before.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Jul 17, 2024 8:28:24 GMT -5
From Rivals:
Was told MAY happen after live period
MAY
in fact specifically after peach jam fwiw
May redshirt
Could be a reclass kid
Believed to help physically. Has size
That's all I've been told
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 17, 2024 9:33:08 GMT -5
Seriously? Did you see how GU got ate up at center AND power forward last year? They were bullied. Fielder is not a center and certainly not Burks - not even in a cinch. UNLESS they get much bigger. Good thing is lots of teams have success playing small ball but the better be able to run and use leverage....that being said, Sorber has a chance to be near-special as next season closes out if not before. Getting bullied at center wasn't our big issue last year. And there's few teams that can really punish you over and over in the low post. Where we got killed last year was our inability or unwillingness to contest anything near the rim. We don't even need good defense -- we just need to contest anything. We were 360th in 2 pt FG defense last year. We gave up 2s at a 62% rate last year in conference! That's where we lost the game. And it wasn't low post guys killing us. It was penetration that waltzed to the rim, over and over. Now, getting bullied does matter for us -- on the boards. Part of why we sucked was because we gave up some of that penetration on the boards. But if we can merely put a hand up without fouling, and without giving up offensive boards ... I will live with someone pushing Fielder around. College basketball players are no longer great at repeatedly punishing people on the block. It's a lost art. Stop the layups. Don't get killed on the boards and we'll be much better.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Jul 17, 2024 12:28:11 GMT -5
That was the problem - no development of 7 footer Mr. Ryan or lack of meaningful PT hurt us.
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Post by bluechi on Jul 17, 2024 13:54:11 GMT -5
From Rivals: Was told MAY happen after live period MAY in fact specifically after peach jam fwiw May redshirt Could be a reclass kid Believed to help physically. Has size That's all I've been told no more redshirts pls
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 19, 2024 8:31:49 GMT -5
With regard to redshirts…..Cooley still believes in development. In today’s world of win now….i know it’s a tough pill for many to swallow. In this case, if he lands this kid and he does reclass to ‘24, he takes a kid off the shelf that many high majors are coveting and gets him a year of development the Cooley way which is far better than any high school would do.
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Post by bostonfan on Jul 19, 2024 9:22:03 GMT -5
With regard to redshirts…..Cooley still believes in development. In today’s world of win now….i know it’s a tough pill for many to swallow. In this case, if he lands this kid and he does reclass to ‘24, he takes a kid off the shelf that many high majors are coveting and gets him a year of development the Cooley way which is far better than any high school would do. I completely agree with this. If the players accepts coming in and having a red shirt year that gives the program some flexibility. If he develops quickly and looks like he can compete/contribute, and maybe one of Fielder or Sorber have some type of injury, then the young man can still play and help the team. If those other two stay healthy all year and the young man can just develop behind them for a year, then the program has 3 bigs ready to compete in the Big East the following year
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Post by prhoya on Jul 19, 2024 9:34:34 GMT -5
With regard to redshirts…..Cooley still believes in development. In today’s world of win now….i know it’s a tough pill for many to swallow. In this case, if he lands this kid and he does reclass to ‘24, he takes a kid off the shelf that many high majors are coveting and gets him a year of development the Cooley way which is far better than any high school would do. We have so many scholarships available that it doesn’t matter. Sign him up. It’s not like he’s getting in the way of another signing. After all, we need capable bodies for practice, etc…
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Post by bluechi on Jul 19, 2024 12:57:20 GMT -5
With regard to redshirts…..Cooley still believes in development. In today’s world of win now….i know it’s a tough pill for many to swallow. In this case, if he lands this kid and he does reclass to ‘24, he takes a kid off the shelf that many high majors are coveting and gets him a year of development the Cooley way which is far better than any high school would do. I know this. Was being selfish. We do know that if they are very poor again in the middle then folks would be calling for his head. But yeah selfish reason on my part.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 19, 2024 15:29:40 GMT -5
Cooley still believes in development. And thankfully. Because I simply don't think Georgetown is built to compete in a straight transfer/NIL world and we're not getting top recruits who don't need it. We will always need to recruit and always need to get transfers in, but if we ever back to good, it's going to be on the back of some development.
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Post by bluechi on Jul 19, 2024 18:25:49 GMT -5
Cooley still believes in development. And thankfully. Because I simply don't think Georgetown is built to compete in a straight transfer/NIL world and we're not getting top recruits who don't need it. We will always need to recruit and always need to get transfers in, but if we ever back to good, it's going to be on the back of some development. And plus that's been Cooley's M.O. in the past.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 20, 2024 6:58:42 GMT -5
And thankfully. Because I simply don't think Georgetown is built to compete in a straight transfer/NIL world and we're not getting top recruits who don't need it. We will always need to recruit and always need to get transfers in, but if we ever back to good, it's going to be on the back of some development. And plus that's been Cooley's M.O. in the past. Yes, I'm just saying it's a good fit because Georgetown, despite what a lot of fans think, is never going to be able to compete otherwise. In NLI land, we might be a relatively big dog in the Big East, but unless we get a sugar daddy type to step forward, the big state schools and the schools with said sugar daddies are all going to outspend us. Once you add up the blue bloods, the schools with too much money and the Jerry Joneses of the world, the schools with an inherent advantage above us number more than anyone would like. And in recruiting, it's going to take a long time to get mojo back, but even if we do we will never be the '80s again. Back then, JT, Jr. made us a symbol for black America. We're not that anymore. And while DC is a good recruiting zone and good draw, we're an academic school with requirements and nerdy students, a home court that has rarely truly sold out even when good, a lack of a real party atmosphere, etc. People on here are obsessed with recruiting super high level players and yet miss that our best team of the past thirty years was manned by two under-the-radar recruits, a solid NY guard with zero NBA aspirations and a walk-on Ivy-level recruit PG that people complained about all while he helmed us to a Final Four. Roy and Jeff had talent, but more importantly, they had the mindset and they developed. And the team around them played team ball and developed. You can't compete with the same gameplan as people who do it much better than you.
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