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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 18, 2024 10:15:32 GMT -5
Ideally, it should be a firsthand reference by an individual or reporter who has spoken to someone directly involved and can report it based on the fact that they are a professional journalist; for example, if Gene Wang, Bobby Bancroft, Patrick Stevens, Kareem Copeland, Dana O'Neil, etc. says so, chances are excellent they have done their homework and that the information provided passes muster. The next level follows with the Internet personalities on podcasts and social media that have a mix of firsthand knowledge but also mix it with coaching chatter and online speculation but are otherwise seen as credible. If Jeff Goodman, Rob Dauster, Jon Wilner, Adam Zagoria, Gary Parrish, etc. say so, chances are good they have done their homework...but there's occasionally a sense that "I'm also hearing that..." is also in play because they are reading some of the sites, noted below, and are monetizing clicks. These two tiers, on their own, source content because they put their name on it, but since Georgetown has not cultivated any ongoing reporter relationships over the last half century, their access to, and intimate knowledge within, the basketball office has been limited at best. Where fans get into trouble is elevating blogs and anonymous Twitter accounts to the level of reporters. If a pop-up site says that Georgetown has $x million of NIL, some people assume that's the case and, on the fringe, it can migrate into the conversation to the group above, but without much verification. If another reports that that two centers are incoming within two days and nothing happens, it's either forgotten or considered a burner account, but in either case these are not sources. Where in those tiers do you rate Fanta?
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Post by prhoya on Jun 18, 2024 10:22:34 GMT -5
Where in those tiers do you rate Fanta? How would anyone know since none of this is reported? Even Cooley himself. He would know what we have but how would he know how much all 350+ teams have to spend? I doubt anyone on here really thinks we had top 5 NIL. Do you truly think we had more to spend than Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, UNC, Louisville, Memphis, Kansas etc.? Clearly KSU had a lot to spend. Washington clearly had money too. I think we probably had a sufficient amount but I doubt we were even tops in BE. Your telling me UConn can't get what they want from donors after their success? I'm sure Pitino has more than we did. Even reporters would have to have insiders on all teams or take the time to collaborate with insiders from each team. Not to mention that it is probably a very fluid item that can change daily. Even more. Since NIL is not regulated and there are no defined timeframes, NIL-raising is an on-going process. So maybe we had Top 5 NIL after our season in March when our competition was still playing the NCAAT and that’s when it was first reported accurately. After a month, things changed for some teams with Jones and Juice Guy getting involved, etc… In other words, Top 5 today might not be Top 5 in a month. Anyway you look at it, Cooley had elite NIL$ to work with and didn’t close on his “big” targets. Was it Cooley who leaked it so that everyone would say that GU was going to be a big player in the portal and distract from such an awful season and players abandoning ship?
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 18, 2024 10:22:36 GMT -5
Is this a good enough source? "I talked to Richard Kent, a Connecticut lawyer who develops name, image, and likeness programs for schools and also calls Yale basketball games on the radio. He said that Mack, Wolf, Perkins, and Dingle are banking mid–six figures a year each from their new power schools, with Mack at the high end of the range, in addition to free tuition, room, and board." slate.com/culture/2024/04/college-basketball-ivy-league-nil-deals-ncaa-tournament.html
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 18, 2024 10:25:14 GMT -5
How would anyone know since none of this is reported? Even Cooley himself. He would know what we have but how would he know how much all 350+ teams have to spend? I doubt anyone on here really thinks we had top 5 NIL. Do you truly think we had more to spend than Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, UNC, Louisville, Memphis, Kansas etc.? Clearly KSU had a lot to spend. Washington clearly had money too. I think we probably had a sufficient amount but I doubt we were even tops in BE. Your telling me UConn can't get what they want from donors after their success? I'm sure Pitino has more than we did. Even reporters would have to have insiders on all teams or take the time to collaborate with insiders from each team. Not to mention that it is probably a very fluid item that can change daily. Even more. Since NIL is not regulated and there are no defined timeframes, NIL-raising is an on-going process. So maybe we had Top 5 NIL after our season in March when our competition was still playing the NCAAT and that’s when it was first reported accurately. After a month, things changed for some teams with Jones and Juice Guy getting involved, etc… In other words, Top 5 today might not be Top 5 in a month. Anyway you look at it, Cooley had elite NIL$ to work with and didn’t close on his “big” targets.
Was it Cooley who leaked it so that everyone would say that GU was going to be a big player in the portal and distract from such an awful season and losing players?First sentence is absolutely correct and answer to question is Yes. Cooley likes to talk a big game. Clearly we as Georgetown fans are finding that out the more we experience the Cooley era.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 18, 2024 21:17:38 GMT -5
Where in those tiers do you rate Fanta? A really good question, and I think the jury's out on that one. At 28, John Fanta already is a legend of sorts. Out on the Internet I found a 2014 article titled "Top 30 Sportscasters Under 30", an industry list of up and comers, some of which went places (Pablo Torre, Ryan Ruocco) and others that didn't (Grant Paulsen, Britt McHenry). Way down the list, in a section titled "People’s Choice: Under 30" is an 18 year old freshman at WSOU-FM in South Orange, NJ named John Fanta. In an era where most sports personalities seem to come out of Medill, Newhouse, or the Ivies, a Seton Hall grad that would not take no for an answer is unique. With the new Big East contract and the tectonic shifts ahead in sports broadcasting, I think he's at a crossroads as to what he does. He could be the next Bob Costas (hired by NBC at 28), stay in the basketball world much as Chris Fowler is primarily a college football talent, or simply be the voice of the Big East. There are a lot of opportunities out there. As to sourcing, I think he falls somewhere between the first and second tier I noted above. Sometimes, he credibly reports on what he knows, but sometimes it's what he is hearing. There is a line between an announcer and an insider. His Twitter post about Fordham AD Ed Kull being a candidate at Marquette seems an example of this, as Marquette fans seem to be discounting this from the start but other New York reporters have been quick to elevate Kull as a candidate at multiple jobs and that's not usually by accident.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 18, 2024 21:34:05 GMT -5
Where in those tiers do you rate Fanta? A really good question, and I think the jury's out on that one. At 28, John Fanta already is a legend of sorts. Out on the Internet I found a 2014 article titled "Top 30 Sportscasters Under 30", an industry list of up and comers, some of which went places (Pablo Torre, Ryan Ruocco) and others that didn't (Grant Paulsen, Britt McHenry). Way down the list, in a section titled "People’s Choice: Under 30" is an 18 year old freshman at WSOU-FM in South Orange, NJ named John Fanta. In an era where most sports personalities seem to come out of Medill, Newhouse, or the Ivies, a Seton Hall grad that would not take no for an answer is unique. With the new Big East contract and the tectonic shifts ahead in sports broadcasting, I think he's at a crossroads as to what he does. He could be the next Bob Costas (hired by NBC at 28), stay in the basketball world much as Chris Fowler is primarily a college football talent, or simply be the voice of the Big East. There are a lot of opportunities out there. As to sourcing, I think he falls somewhere between the first and second tier I noted above. Sometimes, he credibly reports on what he knows, but sometimes it's what he is hearing. There is a line between an announcer and an insider. His Twitter post about Fordham AD Ed Kull being a candidate at Marquette seems an example of this, as Marquette fans seem to be discounting this from the start but other New York reporters have been quick to elevate Kull as a candidate at multiple jobs and that's not usually by accident. Fanta's rise to the top of BE media has been amazing. Why would he risk dishing out false info? Fanta has no need to exaggerate or to risk giving out information from not-so-credible sources. I would say that he's the media person most connected to BE programs, gets the best inside scoops, and gets BE info other media people would not get. To me, he's a verified source.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 18, 2024 22:34:46 GMT -5
Fanta's rise to the top of BE media has been amazing. Why would he risk dishing out false info? Fanta has no need to exaggerate or to risk giving out information from not-so-credible sources. I would say that he's the media person most connected to BE programs, gets the best inside scoops, and gets BE info other media people would not get. To me, he's a verified source. I am not suggesting he is not accurate.
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Post by harlemhoya on Jun 18, 2024 23:39:23 GMT -5
John Fanta is a hack. Next Bob Costas my foot. He is beyond terrible at play by play. People like him because he’s chunky and looks like a bootleg Chris Farley. Networks are not clamoring for John Fanta.
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Post by bluechi on Jun 20, 2024 10:45:22 GMT -5
Even more. Since NIL is not regulated and there are no defined timeframes, NIL-raising is an on-going process. So maybe we had Top 5 NIL after our season in March when our competition was still playing the NCAAT and that’s when it was first reported accurately. After a month, things changed for some teams with Jones and Juice Guy getting involved, etc… In other words, Top 5 today might not be Top 5 in a month. Anyway you look at it, Cooley had elite NIL$ to work with and didn’t close on his “big” targets.
Was it Cooley who leaked it so that everyone would say that GU was going to be a big player in the portal and distract from such an awful season and losing players?First sentence is absolutely correct and answer to question is Yes. Cooley likes to talk a big game. Clearly we as Georgetown fans are finding that out the more we experience the Cooley era. he doesn't like to talk big game he's a big picture optimistic guy who aims high there's a difference. We take his ferver as being bs bc he hasn't been successful at what we want but he has gotten Mack frosh etc.
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Post by nbhoya on Jun 20, 2024 22:19:28 GMT -5
So are we really just planning on moving ahead as is this year? No more attempts at a SF, PF, C?
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Post by prhoya on Jun 20, 2024 23:09:47 GMT -5
LINKS: Fans Glimpse Potential Georgetown Roster With 10 players, is Ed Cooley’s staff done for 2024-2025? www.casualhoya.com/2024/6/19/24147998/links-cooley-georgetown-hoyas-roster-mack-epps-sorber-peavy-burks-fielder-mckenna-williams-mulready#comments“In the modern era, if you want success, you either have roster consistency or transfer urgency. It’s unclear if Cooley sees that.“ … “Seton Hall Head Coach Shaheen Holloway wants “a team I could play 10-11 guys, where I don’t gotta try to play one guy 35 minutes.” Does Cooley? Are the Hoyas set up to repeat last year’s late game struggles due to depth?” … “Sure, last season is behind us, but one can’t help but look back and ask “Was this all really part of the plan?” If the roster churn was expected, why not churn better players and a deeper roster? If the transfers out and roster overhaul were unintended consequences, then what was learned from that roster construction? Fans need to hear or see glimpses of a plan in this program rebuild. Does Cooley still think that having only 9-10 guys available on the roster last year was a strong strategy? Did we learn anything about defense, injuries, or building a culture on the Hilltop last year? Is Fielder excited to play heavy minutes at the 5 and guard BIG EAST centers twice a week?“ … My thoughts exactly. Btw, I think the author is HT’s PhillyHoya.
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 21, 2024 19:37:21 GMT -5
So are we really just planning on moving ahead as is this year? No more attempts at a SF, PF, C? They are still looking for a big. Not sure about the rest. There is one Cooley quote saying he was done after getting a big.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Jun 24, 2024 10:42:01 GMT -5
“In the modern era, if you want success, you either have roster consistency or transfer urgency. It’s unclear if Cooley sees that.“ Exactly what I've been saying
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Post by hoyariv71 on Jun 24, 2024 14:12:27 GMT -5
So are we really just planning on moving ahead as is this year? No more attempts at a SF, PF, C? They are still looking for a big. Not sure about the rest. There is one Cooley quote saying he was done after getting a big. We are 2-3 deep at every position except a backup center, if that is what dooms next season we are in ALOT OF TROUBLE
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 24, 2024 18:18:12 GMT -5
They are still looking for a big. Not sure about the rest. There is one Cooley quote saying he was done after getting a big. We are 2-3 deep at every position except a backup center, if that is what dooms next season we are in ALOT OF TROUBLE Carrying 10 scholarship players for a second consecutive season is completely inadequate. I take no issue with leaving a spot open, but this is ridiculous.
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Post by bostonfan on Jun 25, 2024 6:59:24 GMT -5
We are 2-3 deep at every position except a backup center, if that is what dooms next season we are in ALOT OF TROUBLE Carrying 10 scholarship players for a second consecutive season is completely inadequate. I take no issue with leaving a spot open, but this is ridiculous. I completely agree with this. Leaving one open scholarship makes sense to give the team some flexibility if a player they want becomes available really late or during the season, but there is no good reason for leaving 3 scholarships open. I understand that you are not going to find playing time for even 12 players that keeps everyone happy in this transfer portal time, but having only 10 players brings some real risk to the team/players if they run into injuries/sickness and end up playing short handed. I am excited about the recruiting class that is coming in this year, but the chances of all of those freshman being ready to contribute on a consistent basis in their first year is not high. If the extra COVID season situation has taught us anything, it is that having some older, experienced players that you can depend on is a key to being a good team. While it seems like the staff has not been able to land that one extra big they have wanted/pursued, I would hope they are still looking and bring in someone who can help and add depth and experience at this point.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jun 25, 2024 8:08:45 GMT -5
Obviously it would be nice to add a rotation big, but in the new transfer portal and NIL era, I think you are going to see more major programs not using their full allotment of scholarships and going the preferred walk on route to fill out rosters. There is no reason to use a scholarship and NIL money developing a back of the roster kid that is just going to go elsewhere in the portal for playing time after Year 1. Times are changing everywhere, except on this board, which is inexplicably mired in the negativity of the post 2015 JT3 and Ewing era, and missing the rebirth of the program happening right before their eyes. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40115234/amid-portal-era-calipari-hints-limiting-arkansas-roster-8-9-guys
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Jun 25, 2024 9:51:09 GMT -5
Some of us can see and evaluate what is going on here. We have no agenda and the required amount of patience and confidence in EC. Even though I might hate what college BB has and is becoming, better times are ahead and it might surprise us and begin this fall.
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Post by hoyariv71 on Jun 25, 2024 9:54:11 GMT -5
Obviously it would be nice to add a rotation big, but in the new transfer portal and NIL era, I think you are going to see more major programs not using their full allotment of scholarships and going the preferred walk on route to fill out rosters. There is no reason to use a scholarship and NIL money developing a back of the roster kid that is just going to go elsewhere in the portal for playing time after Year 1. Times are changing everywhere, except on this board, which is inexplicably mired in the negativity of the post 2015 JT3 and Ewing era, and missing the rebirth of the program happening right before their eyes. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40115234/amid-portal-era-calipari-hints-limiting-arkansas-roster-8-9-guysAmen
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Post by nbhoya on Jun 25, 2024 10:35:07 GMT -5
They are still looking for a big. Not sure about the rest. There is one Cooley quote saying he was done after getting a big. We are 2-3 deep at every position except a backup center, if that is what dooms next season we are in ALOT OF TROUBLE I mean it’s not crazy to say not having a second center, could, indeed, kill our season.
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