Jagan Mosely

[justsaying]

Mosley and Kaleb are really good guys, but it is hard to play in this league if you are going to be tentative. You got to be ready to get in someone's face and go after it. I believe they have enough talent to find their niche and be fairly good at it. But being tentative causes you to travel, causes you to make soft passes, causes you not to adjust when trying to make a layup. They get another go at it, maybe having a whole summer with Coach E they will not just let next season come but attack next season.

[prhoya]

Mar 8, 2018 12:55:41 GMT -5 playtyler said:

Nope. Waters was coming here. JT III recruited him. So not sure if the statement "that was the III method of recruiting" really holds water. III always recruited people who could handle. III had Ashanti Cook (class of 2006), Sapp (2009), Wright (2011), Starks (2014), DSR (2016), Waters. I am not including Clark, Wallace, Rivers, Freeman, Tre Campbell, Peak).

Starks did not take time to develop his handle. He was just behind Clark, Wright and Freeman on the depth chart when he got to the Hilltop.

Remember when we couldn't break a press around the Wright years? Coaches noticed and started pressing us. After taking his time and a lot of TOs, JT3 made the team break the press by that very deliberate play where the guard would get the ball and pass it back to the player on the other side; that player would push forward until challenged, stop and pass it back again until they crossed mid-court, all the while taking a lot of time off the shot-clock. If we would have had players with good handles, they would have taken care of the press by themselves and that play would not be part of our press-breaking strategy. Wright came and did it. Other than Wright, Starks and DSR, not many others...

Forward to this year, we broke the press much better by passing long, bringing the bigs if the guards were in trouble and by just racing with Trey and Mulmore. The problem was lazy, careless Oh, Shucks! passing and other stupid plays.

[hoyainspirit]

I NEVER worried about a press when Wright ran the show. We would just give it to Chris and get out of the way.

[bostonfan]

I like Jagan as a player and love the energy and effort he brings every game, but as someone else has said, he does not always play with the amount of confidence that is required to be a consistent contributor. If he makes any type of mistake during the game he becomes tentative and that does not allow him to be successful. Last year it was "excused" because he was a freshman, but we needed to see more growth from him in his second year and he just did not show it on a regular basis. I don't think he is ever going to be a top scorer for a good team, but if he can play with consistent confidence, and develop a decent 3 point shot, he could become the energy type guy that they had with Jabril a few years ago. I hope he can become that physical presence that sets a tone for the team over the next two years.

[the_way]

Mar 8, 2018 22:23:03 GMT -5 hoyainspirit said:

I NEVER worried about a press when Wright ran the show. We would just give it to Chris and get out of the way.

But that was the problem.

He was the ONLY guy we had for most of his career. He never really had the luxury of someone in the backcourt to take the load off of him in running the offense or an extra ballhandler.

Starks had that with DSR.

Wallace had that with Cook and Sapp and even Rivers at times.

Chris had good scoring ability. Wright might of had different aspects of his game he could have developed off the ball, but he couldn't because he was our exclusive ballhandler/facilitator for most of his career.

[EtomicB]

Mar 9, 2018 9:38:44 GMT -5 the_way said:

Mar 8, 2018 22:23:03 GMT -5 hoyainspirit said:

I NEVER worried about a press when Wright ran the show. We would just give it to Chris and get out of the way.

But that was the problem.

He was the ONLY guy we had for most of his career. He never really had the luxury of someone in the backcourt to take the load off of him in running the offense or an extra ballhandler.

Starks had that with DSR.

Wallace had that with Cook and Sapp and even Rivers at times.

Chris had good scoring ability. Wright might of had different aspects of his game he could have developed off the ball, but he couldn't because he was our exclusive ballhandler/facilitator for most of his career.

The stats don't support your theory at all..

The only year he was the primary facilitator was his Sr. season, his 1st three years he had a lot of help generating/initiating the offense..

[the_way]

Mar 9, 2018 10:09:21 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Mar 9, 2018 9:38:44 GMT -5 the_way said:

But that was the problem.

He was the ONLY guy we had for most of his career. He never really had the luxury of someone in the backcourt to take the load off of him in running the offense or an extra ballhandler.

Starks had that with DSR.

Wallace had that with Cook and Sapp and even Rivers at times.

Chris had good scoring ability. Wright might of had different aspects of his game he could have developed off the ball, but he couldn't because he was our exclusive ballhandler/facilitator for most of his career.

The stats don't support your theory at all..

The only year he was the primary facilitator was his Sr. season, his 1st three years he had a lot of help generating/initiating the offense..

What is the ballhandling stat?

Who was the primary ballhandler other than Wright?

Sophomore year was the Sapp and Wright experiment gone wrong, correct?

Junior year it was primarily just Wright.

Senior year primarily Wright.

Unless you want to count Freeman which he wasn't that type of guard. Neither was Clark.

[EtomicB]

Mar 9, 2018 10:21:34 GMT -5 the_way said:

Mar 9, 2018 10:09:21 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

The stats don't support your theory at all..

The only year he was the primary facilitator was his Sr. season, his 1st three years he had a lot of help generating/initiating the offense..

What is the ballhandling stat?

Who was the primary ballhandler other than Wright?

Sophomore year was the Sapp and Wright experiment gone wrong, correct?

Junior year it was primarily just Wright.

Senior year primarily Wright.

Unless you want to count Freeman which he wasn't that type of guard. Neither was Clark.

Assists are my go to stat to look at when talking about primary handlers or facilitators..

Look back at his career & you'll see Wright always had at least 2 other teammates who averaged 2+ assists per game..

That tells me that those teams shared the handling duties, other players helped to facilitate the offense..

Even the thought of Wright being a one man press breaker is kinda revisionist in my view, doing it that way was never JT3’s style..

[the_way]

It was Wright who handled the ball majority of the time. Re-watch the games.

Monroe and Wright averaged 3.8, and 4.1 assists, respectively in 2009-2010.

You can make an assist without dribbling the basketball.

Wright was our main guy who could handle the rock.

[EtomicB]

Mar 9, 2018 11:40:01 GMT -5 the_way said:

It was Wright who handled the ball majority of the time. Re-watch the games.

Monroe and Wright averaged 3.8, and 4.1 assists, respectively in 2009-2010.

You can make an assist without dribbling the basketball.

Wright was our main guy who could handle the rock.

I agree that CW handled the ball the majority of the time for Gtown but I disagree with your response to Hoyainspirit above where you stated CW was the only facilitator/handler most of his career..

In that post you credit Wallace with having Sapp to help him but you don't do the same for Wright, Why?

You also give a slight nod to Austin Rivers in your post but give nothing to Freeman or Clark, how can that be?

I agree you can get an assist without dribbling however you can be a good ball handler/facilitator without ever dribbling as well..

Also in 2009-10 Freeman averaged 2.4 & Clark came in at 2.0, to me that's a lot of help for your main facilitator..

[95hoya]

I pegged Jagan as nothing more than a glue guy. Why are people disappointed? Did you not look at his game in high school, his offer list, and scout evaluations?

And people will rip the kid for their own incorrect assessment. And when McClung isn't an all Big East PG fans will talk about him being underwhelming.

[the_way]

Mar 9, 2018 14:35:02 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Mar 9, 2018 11:40:01 GMT -5 the_way said:

It was Wright who handled the ball majority of the time. Re-watch the games.

Monroe and Wright averaged 3.8, and 4.1 assists, respectively in 2009-2010.

You can make an assist without dribbling the basketball.

Wright was our main guy who could handle the rock.

I agree that CW handled the ball the majority of the time for Gtown but I disagree with your response to Hoyainspirit above where you stated CW was the only facilitator/handler most of his career..

In that post you credit Wallace with having Sapp to help him but you don't do the same for Wright, Why?

You also give a slight nod to Austin Rivers in your post but give nothing to Freeman or Clark, how can that be?

I agree you can get an assist without dribbling however you can be a good ball handler/facilitator without ever dribbling as well..

Also in 2009-10 Freeman averaged 2.4 & Clark came in at 2.0, to me that's a lot of help for your main facilitator..

Wright was the primary ballhandler on the team during most of his career. Assists wouldn't tell you that. Especially in JTIII's offense. Just re-watch the games. You will see CW as the primary dribbler,ballhandler, etc. on the team. This is why the point was brought up in the thread that Chris was the only guy capable of breaking the press with his handles.

He lacked a partner in the backcourt to compliment and exchange roles. At the very least, take the responsibility of of him without a drop off. Wallace had it with Sapp and Cook. They could swap positions from 1 to 2 and wouldn't make a difference. Same with DSR and STarks. They were interchangeable. It wasn't the same with Wright. Wright didn't have that type of backcourt partner. Wright and Sapp's games did not mesh for that one year. After that, Clark had trouble with dribbling. He wasn't the most adept at ball handling early in his career. Freeman wasn't a combo guard where he could play the 1 comparable to the way he played the 2 or even 3. Just like Peak wasn't a 1, but was forced to play it.

Which gets back to the bigger point with III and his recruitment of ballhandlers or guys with proficiency with that skill.

[Bigs"R"Us]

McClung will make All-BE freshmen team next year and he will start for us day one. Mac has all the tools, while Jagan is quite limited. I hope that Mosely can improve his ballhandling skills and shooting as he has two more years to go.

[EtomicB]

Mar 9, 2018 15:35:41 GMT -5 the_way said:

Mar 9, 2018 14:35:02 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

I agree that CW handled the ball the majority of the time for Gtown but I disagree with your response to Hoyainspirit above where you stated CW was the only facilitator/handler most of his career..

In that post you credit Wallace with having Sapp to help him but you don't do the same for Wright, Why?

You also give a slight nod to Austin Rivers in your post but give nothing to Freeman or Clark, how can that be?

I agree you can get an assist without dribbling however you can be a good ball handler/facilitator without ever dribbling as well..

Also in 2009-10 Freeman averaged 2.4 & Clark came in at 2.0, to me that's a lot of help for your main facilitator..

Wright was the primary ballhandler on the team during most of his career. Assists wouldn't tell you that. Especially in JTIII's offense. Just re-watch the games. You will see CW as the primary dribbler,ballhandler, etc. on the team. This is why the point was brought up in the thread that Chris was the only guy capable of breaking the press with his handles.

He lacked a partner in the backcourt to compliment and exchange roles. At the very least, take the responsibility of of him without a drop off. Wallace had it with Sapp and Cook. They could swap positions from 1 to 2 and wouldn't make a difference. Same with DSR and STarks. They were interchangeable. It wasn't the same with Wright. Wright didn't have that type of backcourt partner. Wright and Sapp's games did not mesh for that one year. After that, Clark had trouble with dribbling. He wasn't the most adept at ball handling early in his career. Freeman wasn't a combo guard where he could play the 1 comparable to the way he played the 2 or even 3. Just like Peak wasn't a 1, but was forced to play it.

Which gets back to the bigger point with III and his recruitment of ballhandlers or guys with proficiency with that skill.

As I stated in my last response, I agree that CW was the primary ball handler but he wasn't the exclusive facilitator that you claimed in your earlier response..

I also don't buy into the notion that CW was a one man press breaker, he performed the pass back/side to side deliberate press break that JT3 loved as much as anyone..

It's hard for me to wrap my head around how Sapp was an interchangeable player & led the team in assists in 06-07 & 07-08 but he became a bad fit in 08-09, that puzzles me..

Here's how a clip of the last 6 minutes of a close Gtown game during the CW era.. It's a small sample but it's pretty close to how those JT3 teams played..

[DanMcQ]

Hello? There are Chris Wright and Mac McClung threads all over Hoyatalk. Go argue about, er discuss, them there please.

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[michaelgrahmstylie]

What is the statement here?! Moseley: Don't forget about me! I am still here. The young uns maybe good, but I am solid.

[jwp91]

Competition is a powerful thing.

[blueandgray]

I would not be surprised if Mosely was our top scoring guard. No reason why he wouldn’t continue his improvement.

[jwp91]

Jun 10, 2018 20:02:43 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

I would not be surprised if Mosely was our top scoring guard. No reason why he wouldn’t continue his improvement.

That would be great but I would be very surprised. Blair outscored him last year not even mentioning Pickett who according to the team was also a guard.