drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Feb 9, 2017 14:00:56 GMT -5
After rewatching my recording of the Nova game I noticed some good news/bad news things. The good news is that our bigs, Jesse and Agao, are getting better every game. Jesse looking much more comfortable with the ball and on defense while Agao is developing a nice 3 point shot and is much more aggressive going to the hoop. But the bad news is that this is no longer a big man's game. As we have seen in almost all our loses, it's the small guards and forwards with their 3 point shooting and dribble penetration/dish that are winning games today. The other thing I noticed is how little Marcus seems to figure in our offense. For a guy his size he seems to spend an awful lot of time on the perimeter and almost never tries to take his man off the dribble. Probably a lot of this is due to our offensive scheme but then this is another knock on JT3.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 9, 2017 14:35:01 GMT -5
After rewatching my recording of the Nova game I noticed some good news/bad news things. The good news is that our bigs, Jesse and Agao, are getting better every game. Jesse looking much more comfortable with the ball and on defense while Agao is developing a nice 3 point shot and is much more aggressive going to the hoop. But the bad news is that this is no longer a big man's game. As we have seen in almost all our loses, it's the small guards and forwards with their 3 point shooting and dribble penetration/dish that are winning games today. The other thing I noticed is how little Marcus seems to figure in our offense. For a guy his size he seems to spend an awful lot of time on the perimeter and almost never tries to take his man off the dribble. Probably a lot of this is due to our offensive scheme but then this is another knock on JT3. Marcus has not shown the ability to take anyone off the dribble. His game right now is limited to the perimeter shot, or going down on the box against smaller defenders; unfortunately he has picked up a few offensive fouls trying to back or bull his way in, and has then abandoned the inside game when that happens.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 9, 2017 15:43:13 GMT -5
The undercurrent in all this speculation is that basketball and eligibility for basketball is what is driving Trey. And, we don't know that. It could very well be that Trey Mourning has other goals. Indeed, that would seem wise. Even if Mourning got better, it seems highly unlikely he would ever play at the NBA level, so having alternatives is a smart thing.
It could just be that Trey wants to get a degree from Georgetown, enjoy playing college basketball even if he has a small role, and move on after he graduates.
Alonzo is an intelligent guy, and Trey's inclusion on the 2015 All Big East Academic Team (though he wasn't the following year) probably means he's pretty smart too. If all he cared about was getting time playing basketball, he wouldn't be at Georgetown - but he is.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 9, 2017 16:07:11 GMT -5
The undercurrent in all this speculation is that basketball and eligibility for basketball is what is driving Trey. And, we don't know that. It could very well be that Trey Mourning has other goals. Indeed, that would seem wise. Even if Mourning got better, it seems highly unlikely he would ever play at the NBA level, so having alternatives is a smart thing. It could just be that Trey wants to get a degree from Georgetown, enjoy playing college basketball even if he has a small role, and move on after he graduates. Alonzo is an intelligent guy, and Trey's inclusion on the 2015 All Big East Academic Team (though he wasn't the following year) probably means he's pretty smart too. If all he cared about was getting time playing basketball, he wouldn't be at Georgetown - but he is. The undercurrent is that it's all speculation.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 9, 2017 17:20:40 GMT -5
Trey is one of the biggest supporters on the bench. I am sure he would like the chance to contribute, but he seems fine with the way things are.
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Post by McBricks on Feb 9, 2017 20:57:14 GMT -5
I (like most HoyaTalkers) would love to know why Trey isn't getting at least a little PT. Sadly, I'm guessing we'll never know the real reason. I'm just dumbfounded that he's not getting any time in certain situations. It doesn't make any sense to me, especially since he's played well in a few occasions (last year) when he saw some actual court time (see @providence).
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 9, 2017 23:17:55 GMT -5
The undercurrent in all this speculation is that basketball and eligibility for basketball is what is driving Trey. And, we don't know that. It could very well be that Trey Mourning has other goals. Indeed, that would seem wise. Even if Mourning got better, it seems highly unlikely he would ever play at the NBA level, so having alternatives is a smart thing. It could just be that Trey wants to get a degree from Georgetown, enjoy playing college basketball even if he has a small role, and move on after he graduates. Alonzo is an intelligent guy, and Trey's inclusion on the 2015 All Big East Academic Team (though he wasn't the following year) probably means he's pretty smart too. If all he cared about was getting time playing basketball, he wouldn't be at Georgetown - but he is. Hard for me to buy that he's content with his role, he seems like a competitor.. All of the kids should have future plans that doesn't involve playing hoop, isn't that what the deflated ball is all about? Red shirting doesn't stop a player from progressing academically in anyway, it's a completely athletic process.. So if Trey wants to move on to do other things after he graduates next May he can, being RS'd wouldn't interfere at all..
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Post by calhoya on Feb 10, 2017 8:06:22 GMT -5
The difference between Trey and other kids who sit at the end of the bench with little to no time on the court is that Trey has experience in playing in big games---and has acquitted himself reasonably well, though certainly showing a need for more strength and development. What is so hard to understand is what has changed that Trey has received virtually no playing time, except for some brief appearances at the end of a handful of games. Trey played last year and showed some progress. This year the team has added Agau into the mix, but gone are Copeland who received an significant amount of time and White who would have received time. Hayes returned, but has regressed considerably from last season's player and has seen less time. Derrickson cannot stay in the game without foul trouble and has played unevenly throughout the season. While strength is not one of Trey's assets, this year the Hoyas have played very few teams with big and dominating posts, other than Seton Hall and Marquette. Compounding the issue is that the Hoyas have had issues in several games with the focus or effort of players on the floor. Effort has never been a problem for Trey. Finally, the coach has gone more uptempo and Trey certainly is as quick or quicker than any of the posts ahead of him.
I understand that who plays is and should be up to the coach. I believe that JT III has his reasons for his lineups and would feel much better about this situation if the players ahead of Trey (and Reggie) had performed consistently and well throughout the season. I hope that at the end of another disappointing year there is some explanation, but I won't hold my breath. I hope Trey comes and contributes next season. I hope that his experience on the Hilltop has been satisfactory to him and that he has no regrets. Like many other aspects of this team and program, his inability to see any time on the floor this season remains a mystery.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 10, 2017 9:51:08 GMT -5
With the NCAAs at 10% or less, there is still potential motivation here for our guys to play well so we stay above .500 and keep our NIT hopes alive. But I don't know. It's depressing just writing that.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Feb 10, 2017 19:44:25 GMT -5
Trying to get excited about the game tomorrow and I"m just...not. I fricken hate Marquette.
I am however looking forward to the Warriors games tonight and tomorrow. As a long time Hoya fan, I'm so incredibly thankful to have the Dubs right now.
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 10, 2017 21:39:27 GMT -5
Hoping the staff uses the JaJuan Johnson quote as motivation for this one. Can't let that guy punk us twice in a row.
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Post by s4hoyas on Feb 10, 2017 23:37:09 GMT -5
Stay on the three point shooters...they lead the league in 3 pt %...Govan pull Fischer out from the hoop and either shoot or feed Hayes/Derrickson/Agau inside and score in close...then go inside/out to the 3 pt shooters on the wing when they collapse...constant ball and man movement (quick but under control) on every possession until a good shot presents itself, then knock 'em down...play old school Gtown D for 40 mns...Go Hoyas!
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Post by tashoya on Feb 11, 2017 1:35:04 GMT -5
Stay on the three point shooters...they lead the league in 3 pt %...Govan pull Fischer out from the hoop and either shoot or feed Hayes/Derrickson/Agau inside and score in close...then go inside/out to the 3 pt shooters on the wing when they collapse...constant ball and man movement (quick but under control) on every possession until a good shot presents itself, then knock 'em down...play old school Gtown D for 40 mns...Go Hoyas! I love your optimism but if this group could play 40 minutes of old school Georgetown D this season would look very different right now.
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 11, 2017 2:22:57 GMT -5
Just win. Or more importantly just execute well. Don't foul. Rebound. Make this exciting. Head banging Into the wall.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 11, 2017 8:05:54 GMT -5
Hate this match-up for the Hoyas, but maybe the team will finally put it all together. Some really depressing stats though suggest why this season has gone south. Looking at the offensive side of the ball against a poor Marquette defense does not give much hope.
Mosley shoots 39% overall, and 27% from deep. Mulmore is at 35% and 36%. Peak's deep shooting is down to 34%--below Mulmore! Govan gets a lot of playing time at the end of games and yet is 68% from the FT line. Cannot play Kaleb down the stretch as he is shooting 47% at FT line and 27% from deep. Only shooting 41% overall. Yet, he looks like a scoring machine compared to Hayes who shoots 53% overall (from inside 5 feet) and 37% from the FT line. Agau is great at the FT line, but misses half his shots (usually from in close) and is only 25% from deep. MD? Try 45% overall and 39% from deep but he has virtually disappeared in games lately due to fouls and seemingly just not a part of the offense. Only Pryor has produced consistently on offense and he is seeing a lot of double teams these days. This is a game I believe that the Hoyas should lose--so of course, I expect them to win before an empty arena and a very small television audience. Such is the state of this program now.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 11, 2017 12:09:33 GMT -5
Our passing looks a little slow...wake up guys!
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 11, 2017 12:17:13 GMT -5
I like our movement of attacking the bsket on inbound plays.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 11, 2017 12:17:40 GMT -5
Passing much better now, finding those cutters
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 11, 2017 12:19:19 GMT -5
So we're just gonna switch on every screen and not even try to hedge? They will chew us up on the mismatches.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 11, 2017 12:21:44 GMT -5
So we're just gonna switch on every screen and not even try to hedge? They will chew us up on the mismatches. All day long. Hopefully it's just the strategy early on and we'll start fighting through later.
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