DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 8, 2017 6:52:16 GMT -5
Start out the first half like it's the second half.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 8, 2017 7:48:30 GMT -5
Give Trey Mourning some run when appropriate. It can't hurt in this lost season.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 8, 2017 8:21:32 GMT -5
I really want this one...HATE Wojo.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 8, 2017 8:46:44 GMT -5
Try to avoid a lineup of Kaleb, Akoy, Moseley, Mulmore and Peak/Pryor. Way too easy to focus the defense on the only guy who can score.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 8, 2017 9:21:13 GMT -5
I like that lineup!!! We need more of our athletic guys to score. At this point I think it is sink or swim time. If they do not score- WE LOSE. All of those players are capable and I think we need to put them in positions in which they are forced to make plays instead of deferring to one or two guys all of the time.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 8, 2017 9:43:28 GMT -5
The journey of four straight wins to save a season begins with one Wojo whomping.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 8, 2017 9:54:16 GMT -5
Four straight would get us back in the conversation. The bubble is going to be soft and we have the top line wins and strength of schedule in our favor. Can't lose this one as Marquette is bubble competition (as is seton hall). I thought our D was pretty good last night so hopefully we keep that up and don't let Howard shoot the lights out. It couldn't hurt to punch Reinhart in the face too!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 8, 2017 10:30:34 GMT -5
I like that lineup!!! We need more of our athletic guys to score. At this point I think it is sink or swim time. If they do not score- WE LOSE. All of those players are capable and I think we need to put them in positions in which they are forced to make plays instead of deferring to one or two guys all of the time. 4ever - that grouping absolutely ground our early offensive production to a halt last night. They are all minus offensive players, and we have no leeway this season to let them toss up wild shots. Maybe next year they will have developed some game, but it ain't happening the next 4 weeks. I am not saying they shouldn't play they can all contribute. Just not at the same time.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 8, 2017 11:21:49 GMT -5
I like that lineup!!! We need more of our athletic guys to score. At this point I think it is sink or swim time. If they do not score- WE LOSE. All of those players are capable and I think we need to put them in positions in which they are forced to make plays instead of deferring to one or two guys all of the time. 4ever - that grouping absolutely ground our early offensive production to a halt last night. They are all minus offensive players, and we have no leeway this season to let them toss up wild shots. Maybe next year they will have developed some game, but it ain't happening the next 4 weeks. I am not saying they shouldn't play they can all contribute. Just not at the same time. Probably an area where advanced analytics would serve JTIII well. Pat or JW could tap him on the shoulder and just say, he coach, this line-up stinks. Look at the stats.
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Post by gunny on Feb 8, 2017 11:42:49 GMT -5
4ever - that grouping absolutely ground our early offensive production to a halt last night. They are all minus offensive players, and we have no leeway this season to let them toss up wild shots. Maybe next year they will have developed some game, but it ain't happening the next 4 weeks. I am not saying they shouldn't play they can all contribute. Just not at the same time. Probably an area where advanced analytics would serve JTIII well. Pat or JW could tap him on the shoulder and just say, he coach, this line-up stinks. Look at the stats. You should not need stats to see that lineup stinks. The eye test can tell you that. You have to put more than 1 offensive threat on the floor at a given point.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 8, 2017 13:51:36 GMT -5
Give Trey Mourning some run when appropriate. It can't hurt in this lost season. amen. hayes minutes should decrease. you have to see what mourning can provide beyond this year.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 8, 2017 13:58:10 GMT -5
Give Trey Mourning some run when appropriate. It can't hurt in this lost season. amen. hayes minutes should decrease. you have to see what mourning can provide beyond this year. The guy who sits at the end of the bench is always the one who supposedly can make a difference. The coaching staff clearly knows what Mourning has to offer, because they continually see him in practice. They know what he can provide beyond this year. We don't. As far as "It can't hurt," well, last night I saw a team out there that's not giving up. I realize the odds of making waves are minimal at this point, and maybe we do get to a point where it doesn't matter in a few games, but right now, I don't think the team has given up trying to improve and get better.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 8, 2017 14:45:25 GMT -5
amen. hayes minutes should decrease. you have to see what mourning can provide beyond this year. The guy who sits at the end of the bench is always the one who supposedly can make a difference. The coaching staff clearly knows what Mourning has to offer, because they continually see him in practice. They know what he can provide beyond this year. We don't. As far as "It can't hurt," well, last night I saw a team out there that's not giving up. I realize the odds of making waves are minimal at this point, and maybe we do get to a point where it doesn't matter in a few games, but right now, I don't think the team has given up trying to improve and get better. Or there's a higher plan and Trey will get to play two more years of college basketball. Don't try to convince me about his eligibility because if there's something JT3 (and his lawyers) has proven he's good at is working with the NCAA eligibility rules.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 8, 2017 15:12:23 GMT -5
I like that lineup!!! We need more of our athletic guys to score. At this point I think it is sink or swim time. If they do not score- WE LOSE. All of those players are capable and I think we need to put them in positions in which they are forced to make plays instead of deferring to one or two guys all of the time. 4ever - that grouping absolutely ground our early offensive production to a halt last night. They are all minus offensive players, and we have no leeway this season to let them toss up wild shots. Maybe next year they will have developed some game, but it ain't happening the next 4 weeks. I am not saying they shouldn't play they can all contribute. Just not at the same time. Agree to disagree- but I understand and respect your point. I believe that these guys can score, especially if Mulmore plays well at the point.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 8, 2017 15:37:07 GMT -5
They can all scrap for a bucket here or there - a loose ball, offensive board, backdoor cut - but there are no shooters, so they collectively beg defenses to pack the box and cut off drives.
But they are our scrappiest guys, so I suppose a few minutes of them as a unit can give us a different look.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 8, 2017 19:45:16 GMT -5
First thing, I hope Tre Campbell and Coach Thompson are both ok after getting bruised in that bus accident earlier this week. I also hope they bring the second half intensity from the Villanova game to the game against Marquette. We were not "lazy" against Villanova, and I hope we are ready to give Marquette our undivided attention.
This game is obviously crucial for whatever post season hopes we have. We enter a stretch here of games that are winnable. Hope it's a good crowd on Saturday. I'll be there cheering them on.
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Post by lda05816 on Feb 8, 2017 20:03:53 GMT -5
Looks to be a really high scoring game as Marq is really good on offense and really bad on defense. They're going to get plenty of points so it's important we don't give possessions away with bad shots or stupid turnovers. The lineup that got us back in the game (Mulmore, Peak, Pryor, Marcus & Jessie) needs to play a lot. When Jessie comes out, I'd like to see Akoy at the 5 and go small. Give Jagan and Akoy the majority of the bench minutes. A rotation of 7 or 8 would be ideal but with the fouling issues, I'm not sure it's feasible.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 8, 2017 20:04:02 GMT -5
First thing, I hope Tre Campbell and Coach Thompson are both ok after getting bruised in that bus accident earlier this week. I also hope they bring the second half intensity from the Villanova game to the game against Marquette. We were not "lazy" against Villanova, and I hope we are ready to give Marquette our undivided attention. This game is obviously crucial for whatever post season hopes we have. We enter a stretch here of games that are winnable. Hope it's a good crowd on Saturday. I'll be there cheering them on. Give him heck, bama. One at a time.
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Post by practice on Feb 9, 2017 11:05:00 GMT -5
The guy who sits at the end of the bench is always the one who supposedly can make a difference. The coaching staff clearly knows what Mourning has to offer, because they continually see him in practice. They know what he can provide beyond this year. We don't. As far as "It can't hurt," well, last night I saw a team out there that's not giving up. I realize the odds of making waves are minimal at this point, and maybe we do get to a point where it doesn't matter in a few games, but right now, I don't think the team has given up trying to improve and get better. Or there's a higher plan and Trey will get to play two more years of college basketball. Don't try to convince me about his eligibility because if there's something JT3 (and his lawyers) has proven he's good at is working with the NCAA eligibility rules. Could there be a red shirt plan underfoot? Trey demonstrated last year and yes ... during Kenner .. that he can play. Akoy has been a pleasant surprise early on, but Trey is a far more skilled offensive threat who can shoot. The secret red shirt plan ... and the discipline to keep it going during this travesty of a season ... would be a very nice surprise. Fingers crossed.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 9, 2017 12:30:05 GMT -5
If there were a redshirt plan we have screwed it up by playing him in garbage time, as recently as January.
Technically there are 2 types of redshirt bases. The medical one requires medical proof of a SEASON ENDING injury together with playing no more than (I believe one-third?) of the team's games. The other one can normally only be used if the player literally plays zero minutes - although we have seen that requirement eased for cases of family emergencies, etc.
It would not seem that Trey would qualify for either. Although we have been able to justify exceptions.
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