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Post by professorhoya on Feb 12, 2017 9:05:26 GMT -5
I can remember not so long ago many on this Board were saying the lack of a deep rotation was what was holding this team back. I don't disagree we should be going 7 or 8 deep. Depth is overrated when there is a trade off in quality. Should not get too carried away based upon what was clearly the best and most complete game the Hoyas have played in weeks. The key to the shorter rotation is fouls. Stay out of trouble and you can keep the starters on for most of the game while switching between the "hot" pg. However, unless MD can pick up his play on both ends and avoid the cheap fouls that put him on the bench each game, it is critical to have Kaleb (defense) and Reggie (offense) ready to contribute and seeing some time. I realize that Agau can slide over to the 4 as he did yesterday playing alongside Govan, but the Hoyas were lucky yesterday because Marquette is oriented to shoot from deep and this helped avoid some of the foul trouble early unlike the games the Hoyas have with teams that are constantly penetrating. When the Warriors stopped shooting from deep they had success driving into the lane- either by scoring or by drawing the foul. I really don't think Cameron should play. Even when he is playing well he just has too many liabilities defensively that eventually get exploited. Especially with the games being so close the 2-3 points we lose when Cameron is playing can be the difference between a win and a loss. Same with Tre Campbell. With Kaleb he has great length and quickness and can play defense and on offense he is still an asset because he is a plus offensive rebounder and hustler.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 12, 2017 9:16:00 GMT -5
Heck of a win! To tell you the truth, I did not even recognize our defense. Where did those rapidly moving parts come from! Everyone played well. Kudos to Peak, Govan, and Pryor. Love Agau's play as well--he's an intelligent player and real team player. Without lighting it up, Mulmore and Mosley had solid efforts. Watch out for Derrickson. He's a baller. Too bad he got in foul trouble early. One thing left to say: Proud of our guys!
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 12, 2017 10:18:29 GMT -5
I don't know if it's confidence or health or both but Akoy is looking better and better as the season goes along. I'm very happy for him as he's had a pretty bumpy ride. Here's to hoping he stays healthy and continues to improve. That was as comfortable as I've felt watching a game in quite a while. Nice win, Hoyas! The thing I like most about Agau is that he is not soft! He does not back down from physical play. I wish we had more of that.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 12, 2017 10:47:45 GMT -5
I agree with the tight rotation. Kaleb and Brad just not doing enough. Hope Tre is feeling better.. Early in the game yesterday Hayes tweaked a foot injury that has hampered him for about 3 games, leading to his absence the rest of the game (mentioned upthread). The light has suddenly gone on for Govan and he clearly needs to be on the floor the majority of the minutes (the key is avoiding the silly fouls).
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2017 12:50:43 GMT -5
I agree with the tight rotation. Kaleb and Brad just not doing enough. Hope Tre is feeling better.. Early in the game yesterday Hayes tweaked a foot injury that has hampered him for about 3 games, leading to his absence the rest of the game (mentioned upthread). The light has suddenly gone on for Govan and he clearly needs to be on the floor the majority of the minutes (the key is avoiding the silly fouls). Hayes landed on the foot of MU's #12. He fell to the ground and was limping after that, before being subbed. Let's hope he's good to go next Sunday. We have seen the light go ON for Jessie before only to see it go OFF. He's been consistently inconsistent. Let's hope it stays ON the rest of the season. Loved how he played yesterday in Bradley's absence, how he had to play with 2 fouls for the last 8 mins of the first half and didn't pick up the third foul...
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2017 12:58:41 GMT -5
Should not get too carried away based upon what was clearly the best and most complete game the Hoyas have played in weeks. The key to the shorter rotation is fouls. Stay out of trouble and you can keep the starters on for most of the game while switching between the "hot" pg. However, unless MD can pick up his play on both ends and avoid the cheap fouls that put him on the bench each game, it is critical to have Kaleb (defense) and Reggie (offense) ready to contribute and seeing some time. I realize that Agau can slide over to the 4 as he did yesterday playing alongside Govan, but the Hoyas were lucky yesterday because Marquette is oriented to shoot from deep and this helped avoid some of the foul trouble early unlike the games the Hoyas have with teams that are constantly penetrating. When the Warriors stopped shooting from deep they had success driving into the lane- either by scoring or by drawing the foul. I really don't think Cameron should play. Even when he is playing well he just has too many liabilities defensively that eventually get exploited. Especially with the games being so close the 2-3 points we lose when Cameron is playing can be the difference between a win and a loss. Same with Tre Campbell. Disagree. Reggie is an experienced player in our system, is playing well on both sides of the ball (but nothing exciting) and should get his few minutes to keep some of the starters from playing 35+ minutes and getting into foul trouble. Obviously JT3 has no margin for error now and is no longer in a position to give spot minutes to help against fatigue.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2017 13:09:07 GMT -5
Give Trey Mourning some run when appropriate. It can't hurt in this lost season. In other news, Trey played 45 seconds.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 12, 2017 13:11:12 GMT -5
Give Trey Mourning some run when appropriate. It can't hurt in this lost season. In other news, Trey played 45 seconds. Well, it didn't hurt, did it?
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2017 13:16:09 GMT -5
I can remember not so long ago many on this Board were saying the lack of a deep rotation was what was holding this team back. I don't disagree we should be going 7 or 8 deep. Depth is overrated when there is a trade off in quality. Should not get too carried away based upon what was clearly the best and most complete game the Hoyas have played in weeks. The key to the shorter rotation is fouls. Stay out of trouble and you can keep the starters on for most of the game while switching between the "hot" pg. However, unless MD can pick up his play on both ends and avoid the cheap fouls that put him on the bench each game, it is critical to have Kaleb (defense) and Reggie (offense) ready to contribute and seeing some time. I realize that Agau can slide over to the 4 as he did yesterday playing alongside Govan, but the Hoyas were lucky yesterday because Marquette is oriented to shoot from deep and this helped avoid some of the foul trouble early unlike the games the Hoyas have with teams that are constantly penetrating. When the Warriors stopped shooting from deep they had success driving into the lane- either by scoring or by drawing the foul. Exactly. Let me add that the refs held their whistling during the first 4 minutes of the game. Pryor could have had two fouls on Luke F. in that time: a bear hug foul on a switch and the block at the rim which the replay showed, from multiple angles and zoomed, how Pryor got all hand. These 2 fouls would have changed the rotation for the rest of the half. Deep rotations of useful players are necessary.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 12, 2017 13:33:20 GMT -5
I really don't think Cameron should play. Even when he is playing well he just has too many liabilities defensively that eventually get exploited. Especially with the games being so close the 2-3 points we lose when Cameron is playing can be the difference between a win and a loss. Same with Tre Campbell. Disagree. Reggie is an experienced player in our system, is playing well on both sides of the ball (but nothing exciting) and should get his few minutes to keep some of the starters from playing 35+ minutes and getting into foul trouble. Obviously JT3 has no margin for error now and is no longer in a position to give spot minutes to help against fatigue. Reggie has a role, although limited. He knows where to be on offense; on defense, especially in a zone, he knows the rotations. His man defense is a minus against a quicker player (which includes most players!), but he can still hit a couple of threes when our shooters are off. But I am okay with Reggie getting no minutes unless the game situation specifically requires.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2017 13:50:59 GMT -5
In other news, Trey played 45 seconds. Well, it didn't hurt, did it? The master plan will be revealed in due time...
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Post by the_way on Feb 12, 2017 13:55:11 GMT -5
Great game. Guys were having fun out there and playing well.
It felt great to see.
We aren't the greatest team in the world, but we are 't that bad either.
This team is steadily growing and getting better.
Go Hoyas!
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 12, 2017 13:55:33 GMT -5
I thought this was our best game of the season. I just hope we can continue to play at this level.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 12, 2017 13:56:02 GMT -5
I really don't think Cameron should play. Even when he is playing well he just has too many liabilities defensively that eventually get exploited. Especially with the games being so close the 2-3 points we lose when Cameron is playing can be the difference between a win and a loss. Same with Tre Campbell. Disagree. Reggie is an experienced player in our system, is playing well on both sides of the ball (but nothing exciting) and should get his few minutes to keep some of the starters from playing 35+ minutes and getting into foul trouble. Obviously JT3 has no margin for error now and is no longer in a position to give spot minutes to help against fatigue. I agree with this. I prefer Kaleb when we have other shooters on the floor, but when offense is needed, neither Kaleb nor Agau provides the threat that Reggie does from deep. Also the thought that Reggie is not a good defender is based mostly on performance in the past. This year the kid has actually been decent-- not stellar, but then who has been stellar on defense for most of the year? Moreover, Kaleb is not quite the defensive specialist that some think. He has trouble staying with the quick wings, as well. What he does very well is crash the boards and he is aggressive in trying to go to the basket, though still lacking in ball skills. Both players are needed for depth, barring some complete turnaround by MD which keeps him on the floor.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 12, 2017 14:10:20 GMT -5
One concern from the game that must be fixed if there is any kind of a run coming--64% FT shooting. This is baffling because in the pre-conference season the team was going great in FT shooting. Kaleb at 50% is what it is and not expecting any changes from him or Hayes. However, MD missing a front end of a 1/1 and Peak going 5/8 is not good. In Peak's case he is often shooting FTs after getting pounded and knocked to the floor. Perhaps he needs to settle a little longer before shooting (think Agau) and make certain he is using his legs. He always seems to be better on the second shot after an adjustment.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 12, 2017 14:24:11 GMT -5
One concern from the game that must be fixed if there is any kind of a run coming--64% FT shooting. This is baffling because in the pre-conference season the team was going great in FT shooting. Kaleb at 50% is what it is and not expecting any changes from him or Hayes. However, MD missing a front end of a 1/1 and Peak going 5/8 is not good. In Peak's case he is often shooting FTs after getting pounded and knocked to the floor. Perhaps he needs to settle a little longer before shooting (think Agau) and make certain he is using his legs. He always seems to be better on the second shot after an adjustment. End of the season fatigue? Losing their legs? Aside from the physical pounding Peak is getting in his drives to the hoop, he's got a lot of minutes on the floor.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 12, 2017 19:17:55 GMT -5
One concern from the game that must be fixed if there is any kind of a run coming--64% FT shooting. This is baffling because in the pre-conference season the team was going great in FT shooting. Kaleb at 50% is what it is and not expecting any changes from him or Hayes. However, MD missing a front end of a 1/1 and Peak going 5/8 is not good. In Peak's case he is often shooting FTs after getting pounded and knocked to the floor. Perhaps he needs to settle a little longer before shooting (think Agau) and make certain he is using his legs. He always seems to be better on the second shot after an adjustment. Agau is going to be called for a 10 second violation on one of his free throws and it is going to be really painful. The Marquette bench was making a big deal about it when he was at the line in 2nd half. I timed it on tape late last night and it was way over 10 seconds, although based on the camera angle it was a little unclear exactly when he got the ball. Either way, it is too close. I like that he takes his time but like I said, it will be really painful if we lose a point on that.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 12, 2017 19:51:06 GMT -5
Great game. Guys were having fun out there and playing well. It felt great to see. We aren't the greatest team in the world, but we are 't that bad either. This team is steadily growing and getting better. Go Hoyas! We have gotten a lot better over the course of this season. I hope for these guys they can go on a run. They deserve it. And if they somehow do make the tournament, I can't think of a team of which I would be prouder.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 13, 2017 3:33:44 GMT -5
Great game. Guys were having fun out there and playing well. It felt great to see. We aren't the greatest team in the world, but we are 't that bad either. This team is steadily growing and getting better. Go Hoyas! We have gotten a lot better over the course of this season. I hope for these guys they can go on a run. They deserve it. And if they somehow do make the tournament, I can't think of a team of which I would be prouder. I'm very very proud of this team and of the coach of this team. We are structurally flawed this season, because this team was supposed to revolve around a junior Paul White and a junior Ike Copeland. We have one playmaker in LJ. We have one knockdown shooter in Rodney. We have a fan base with multiple members on this board who are almost actively rooting for us to lose, in order to come on the board and spew agenda-driven propaganda. We had a very very difficult start to this season. Plain and simple, this team could've quit long ago. There are many teams around the country who have gone through a lot less than we have who have already packed it in. But we have continued to fight and continued to play hard through any and everything. And we have improved, we have stuck together and we have at the very least put ourselves in position to play meaningful games down the stretch. This is not our best team. We probably won't make the tournament. But we are playing hard and making ourselves a tough out.
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