2020 Recruiting Thread

[s4hoyas]

He appears to be a guard who's coming on strong and has a complete game...I hope he sees the opportunity and seizes it...

[IDenj]

I know the program is in need of bodies, but bringing in two freshman point guards who really won’t be ready to play from day isn’t the smartest move they can make is it? Sort of like two C projects in the same class.

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

Jan 23, 2020 12:16:19 GMT -5 IDenj said:

I know the program is in need of bodies, but bringing in two freshman point guards who really won’t be ready to play from day isn’t the smartest move they can make is it? Sort of like two C projects in the same class.

Beggars can't be choosers and that is where we are. At this point bring in four and let them sink or swim. We've got spots. This team needs everything accept a #2 and a #5.

[hoyasevenstill]

Jan 23, 2020 12:20:19 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

Jan 23, 2020 12:16:19 GMT -5 IDenj said:

I know the program is in need of bodies, but bringing in two freshman point guards who really won’t be ready to play from day isn’t the smartest move they can make is it? Sort of like two C projects in the same class.

Beggars can't be choosers and that is where we are. At this point bring in four and let them sink or swim. We've got spots. This team needs everything accept a #2 and a #5.

I would say we still do need a 5.....Yurt leaving and we have no reason to believe that Malcolm or Tim will be ready for meaningful minutes next year.

[LCPolo18]

Jan 23, 2020 12:16:19 GMT -5 IDenj said:

I know the program is in need of bodies, but bringing in two freshman point guards who really won’t be ready to play from day isn’t the smartest move they can make is it? Sort of like two C projects in the same class.

Have you seen them play? Just trying to understand your evidence that they won't be ready to play from day one.

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

Jan 23, 2020 12:28:43 GMT -5 hoyasevenstill said:

Jan 23, 2020 12:20:19 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

Beggars can't be choosers and that is where we are. At this point bring in four and let them sink or swim. We've got spots. This team needs everything accept a #2 and a #5.

I would say we still do need a 5.....Yurt leaving and we have no reason to believe that Malcolm or Tim will be ready for meaningful minutes next year.

One of them better be. Today's sophomore is like a senior from '85. Guy has 2 years in the program, a legit training program, and with player movement you can't map out more than two years anymore. Tim also just started with hoops so in theory, the ceiling should be quite high. I would say the same thing for Wilson as he just needs to eat & lift non-stop for the next nine months.

[IDenj]

Jan 23, 2020 12:34:14 GMT -5 LCPolo18 said:

Jan 23, 2020 12:16:19 GMT -5 IDenj said:

I know the program is in need of bodies, but bringing in two freshman point guards who really won’t be ready to play from day isn’t the smartest move they can make is it? Sort of like two C projects in the same class.

Have you seen them play? Just trying to understand your evidence that they won't be ready to play from day one.

I haven’t but there’s a reason generally 3 star range kids don’t start and lead teams in a high conference from day one. Both sound like kids who have potential and could one day be solid contributors.

Do you have any evidence that suggests they can and will be day one starters?

[hoyaboya]

Jan 23, 2020 13:04:47 GMT -5 IDenj said:

Jan 23, 2020 12:34:14 GMT -5 LCPolo18 said:

Have you seen them play? Just trying to understand your evidence that they won't be ready to play from day one.

I haven’t but there’s a reason generally 3 star range kids don’t start and lead teams in a high conference from day one. Both sound like kids who have potential and could one day be solid contributors.

Do you have any evidence that suggests they can and will be day one starters?

I wouldn't say Tyler Beard couldn't start from Day One. He's played at the highest level of high school program (Chicago Whitney Young) and AAU for years. He reminds me a lot of Xavier Johnson coming out of high school - defensive-minded, big, strong athlete continuing to improve his guard skills who has been well-coached and played against top competition.

Harris is a flyer from a small school in Tennessee that plays competition similar to McClung. We saw that Mac was able to start as a freshmen, so I wouldn't totally write off Harris as a potential starter, though I think he's less likely to be ready than Beard.

[LCPolo18]

Jan 23, 2020 13:04:47 GMT -5 IDenj said:

Jan 23, 2020 12:34:14 GMT -5 LCPolo18 said:

Have you seen them play? Just trying to understand your evidence that they won't be ready to play from day one.

I haven’t but there’s a reason generally 3 star range kids don’t start and lead teams in a high conference from day one. Both sound like kids who have potential and could one day be solid contributors.

Do you have any evidence that suggests they can and will be day one starters?

hoyaboya put it much better than I could have. If you're basing it simply on recruiting ranking, Beard was ranked as a 4 star around 75th in his class about 7 months ago. As the article posted this morning explains, he didn't play that well over the summer and his rankings dropped, but he played much better over the weekend.

247sports.com/PlayerSport/Tyler-Beard-at-Whitney-Young-210944/RecruitRankHistory/?history=composite

Aaron Thompson was similarly ranked out of high school and as a freshman he was the starting PG for a Butler team that made the second round of the NCAA tournament. Does he light up the stat sheet? No. But he fills a role for the team.

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[IDenj]

Just saying I’d rather have an experienced 1 like an Allen situation. Bringing in a maybe type pg isn’t going to install a lot of confidence in the kids already in the program.

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

Jan 23, 2020 15:04:43 GMT -5 IDenj said:

Just saying I’d rather have an experienced 1 like an Allen situation. Bringing in a maybe type pg isn’t going to install a lot of confidence in the kids already in the program.

Bring in both if you can. As has been mentioned, you won't know about the grad transfer until crazy late in the game.

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Jan 23, 2020 15:17:41 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

Jan 23, 2020 15:04:43 GMT -5 IDenj said:

Just saying I’d rather have an experienced 1 like an Allen situation. Bringing in a maybe type pg isn’t going to install a lot of confidence in the kids already in the program.

Bring in both if you can. As has been mentioned, you won't know about the grad transfer until crazy late in the game.

Yeah - I'd be much happier taking another FR than not - regardless of any Grad Xfers.

If we find another Allen type, we'll still need 10-15 backup PG minutes per night and I'd rather not be assuming any individual FR can handle that.

It's definitely not a repeat of the Tim/Malcolm situation, unless you've got the bird in the hand.

[IDenj]

Agree taking two kids is better than not but it’s far from ideal.

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

Jan 23, 2020 15:26:38 GMT -5 IDenj said:

Agree taking two kids is better than not but it’s far from ideal.

Our last five years have been far from ideal. I am frankly embarrassed that we lose to schools like Xavier & Providence on the regular who have no right beating us out for recruits on our turf (Marshall & Watson).

[bostonfan]

Jan 23, 2020 12:16:19 GMT -5 IDenj said:

I know the program is in need of bodies, but bringing in two freshman point guards who really won’t be ready to play from day isn’t the smartest move they can make is it? Sort of like two C projects in the same class.

Not really sure that Beard is a true point guard, his height makes everything think that PG is his position, but his highlights look more like a combo guard to me. He looks very comfortable attacking the rim and scoring. He also looks like he is already strong enough to compete in the Big East.

Harris looks to be more of a pure PG, who also happens to shoot the ball really well from 3.

I could see where they would both fit in fine on the team next year. The team needs guys who they can get some consistent offense from in big games.

[s4hoyas]

I agree...I've seen him referred to as a lead guard...how about an "all purpose" guard who can play either 1 or 2...that much better for roster versatility...kid can play

[EtomicB]

Jan 23, 2020 15:45:31 GMT -5 bostonfan said:

Jan 23, 2020 12:16:19 GMT -5 IDenj said:

I know the program is in need of bodies, but bringing in two freshman point guards who really won’t be ready to play from day isn’t the smartest move they can make is it? Sort of like two C projects in the same class.

Not really sure that Beard is a true point guard, his height makes everything think that PG is his position, but his highlights look more like a combo guard to me. He looks very comfortable attacking the rim and scoring. He also looks like he is already strong enough to compete in the Big East.

Harris looks to be more of a pure PG, who also happens to shoot the ball really well from 3.

I could see where they would both fit in fine on the team next year. The team needs guys who they can get some consistent offense from in big games.

I don't know whether he's a true PG or not but here's the write up about Beard from the Rivals article that was in the link wponds posted today.

This is why we keep watching. This time last year, Tyler Beard was firmly entrenched within the Rivals150. I loved his toughness, on-the-ball defense and playmaking abilities. Then the strangest thing happened: it all went up in smoke during the travel season. The high-major offers he carried were no longer there, he looked like a shell of himself and the confidence that he possessed during the school season was no more.

Instead of simply pulling him from the rankings and writing him off, we made sure to keep watching and our previous thoughts from a year ago were reaffirmed because of it. Finishing with 24 points, eight assist and six rebounds at the Hoophall Classic over the weekend, Beard has not only reverted back to his original self, but looks to be even better.

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Some kids don't perform well without structure. You see it happen a lot. That's why ratings based on EYBL play aren't always the best way to evaluate. Ball hogging and chucking are rewarded when in a regular game it's not always like that.

Beard played with Moses Moody and Caleb Love. Both kids are high scoring guards who averaged around 17ppg. His stats could be a product of him not getting a lot of touches. Either way he looks like he could play on or off ball so I wouldn't worry about it too much. I'll also add plenty of teams play with 2 point guards including the high school team he's currently on so he should be used to it. Imo the more playmakers the better.

[kbones17]

Beard looks like a solid player. I still think we need to be in on a juco PG or combo too. Need to have depth at the guard and wing spots as this season has (painfully) shown.