2020 Recruiting Thread

[cthoya16]

After MAM makes his decision Frankie Collins should be the staffs top priority.

He’s OV for the nova game. He would be a program changing lead guard.

Add hopefully MAM and or Kobe Clark

And then add Frankie Collins reclassified

A class of Beard, MAM/Clark Collins, Beard, Sibley, Harris gives us a very strong foundation going forward

[HoyaDr]

Feb 20, 2020 11:41:17 GMT -5 @nychoya94 said:

Adding both Moncrieffe & Clark (don't know the likelihood, but there's definitely room) would move us to right around the #20 overall class on 24/7. Two 4*, two 3*, and Harris, who by all accounts - stats, Mr Basketball finalist - is playing stellar ball. All guys in positions of need.

That's much closer to where we need to be every year (I realize the quantity helps the rating). I just hope it's enough -- with a final piece or two -- to make us competitive as soon as next year.

Beard/Harris
McClung/Blair
Moncrieffe/Clark
Pickett/Sibley
Wahab/Igoehoefe/Wilson
** 2 open spots

'21-'22 looks pretty bright in that scenario. Senior Mac, Junior Qudus, more depth & experience, and maybe a '21 stud or two.

That roster along with a transfer PG/Frankie Collins and Ewings fiery coaching should be a NCAA tournament team all day. Unless we run a 3 guard set, one of Mac or Blair will have to come off the bench, which would be a tough pill to swallow for either junior Mac or senior Juggy. Also with that roster, Pickett will be on a much shorter leash (ie he would have been glued to the bench after all those misses in the paint last night). Let's hope MAM pops for the Hoyas tomorrow and Kobe follows thereafter. Otherwise Ewing will have to pull off some magic to build a roster that won't be disappointing next year.

[Bigs"R"Us]

You are way more optimistic on next season than I am. I think we will be in the bottom quartile of the league and miss the NCAAs yet again.

[lda05816]

Feb 20, 2020 13:02:04 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

You are way more optimistic on next season than I am. I think we will be in the bottom quartile of the league and miss the NCAAs yet again.

It's difficult to project next year given how much will change from now until then but I do think we're really going to miss having 2 Senior lead guards. Jagan and Allen have their deficiencies but that experience is going to be tough to replace which makes the grad transfer market very important imo.

[HoyaDr]

Feb 20, 2020 13:02:04 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

You are way more optimistic on next season than I am. I think we will be in the bottom quartile of the league and miss the NCAAs yet again.

Yea my optimism just burst with a CB going to OK St from Evan Daniels. We need some sort of miracle at this point. Sibley, Beard, and Harris aren't enough with two senior guards graduating and losing Yurt to the pros. If we are going to be that young of a team, we need more talent. I don't see Yurt returning for another year of not getting paid along with failing to make the NCAA tournament again.

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Feb 20, 2020 11:41:17 GMT -5 @nychoya94 said:

Adding both Moncrieffe & Clark (don't know the likelihood, but there's definitely room) would move us to right around the #20 overall class on 24/7. Two 4*, two 3*, and Harris, who by all accounts - stats, Mr Basketball finalist - is playing stellar ball. All guys in positions of need.

That's much closer to where we need to be every year (I realize the quantity helps the rating). I just hope it's enough -- with a final piece or two -- to make us competitive as soon as next year.

Beard/Harris
McClung/Blair
Moncrieffe/Clark
Pickett/Sibley
Wahab/Igoehoefe/Wilson
** 2 open spots

'21-'22 looks pretty bright in that scenario. Senior Mac, Junior Qudus, more depth & experience, and maybe a '21 stud or two.

Well, that post seemed to be the kiss of death on the MAM decision. I'd still be happy with Clark & Collins.

Collins' addition would allow everybody to move up a half position in a 3-guard offense.

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

At the end of the day I get that rankings don't matter but they do indicate some things. In this class we have 3 under the radar type kids in Harris, Beard & Clark. Sibley is the only consensus top 100 kid. Maybe all three of those kids end up being really good and are good four year players but they probably aren't all world. Wahab will be good but there was a reason he wasn't top 100. I think in a big class you can also lose kids due to egos, playing time and a lack of a perceived pathway to minutes. I have no idea if the MAM kid will be any good but if we keep missing out on kids in the top 100, we can't really expect to be at the top of the league.

Player development will be critical but if you can develop higher level talent the way Nova has, now you have something. It is really unfortunate because unless Mac & Yurt recover, I can't see us pulling enough miracles to get a bid. With the roster turnover we will be young again in key positions. A lot can change between now and the end of the '20 cycle but right now we are just getting to the level of basic roster construction versus really pushing things forward.

[kbones17]

With Clark on board, and assuming no MAM (we’ll see tomorrow), that likely leaves us with three open scholarships next season. My preference is to focus on juco/grad transfer for:
—Combo guard with size, can shoot the three
—Big that can rebound/play defense (4/5 type)

After that I would leave the last spot open for now.

[madgesiq92]

Feb 20, 2020 14:32:41 GMT -5 kbones17 said:

With Clark on board, and assuming no MAM (we’ll see tomorrow), that likely leaves us with three open scholarships next season. My preference is to focus on juco/grad transfer for:
—Combo guard with size, can shoot the three
—Big that can rebound/play defense (4/5 type)

After that I would leave the last spot open for now.

Not a lot of depth at the forward position right now — I would prioritize a 3/4 type, who preferably can knock down a 3.

[wolveribe]

A grad point guard a la Allen would do wonders. Add in a versatile 3/4 (maybe grad) and some type of shooter is my ideal scenario.

[HoyaDr]

Only way Ewing should keep his job is if he somehow lands some big transfers and/or decommits from other programs and takes next year's team to the NCAAs. I just don't see next year's roster (as of now) in the tourney. Or if he lands a big time 2021 prospect over the summer or early in the season next year that gives hope for the future. Can you guys tell I'm frustrated?

[hoyainla]

Feb 20, 2020 13:49:55 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

At the end of the day I get that rankings don't matter but they do indicate some things. In this class we have 3 under the radar type kids in Harris, Beard & Clark. Sibley is the only consensus top 100 kid. Maybe all three of those kids end up being really good and are good four year players but they probably aren't all world. Wahab will be good but there was a reason he wasn't top 100. I think in a big class you can also lose kids due to egos, playing time and a lack of a perceived pathway to minutes. I have no idea if the MAM kid will be any good but if we keep missing out on kids in the top 100, we can't really expect to be at the top of the league.

Player development will be critical but if you can develop higher level talent the way Nova has, now you have something. It is really unfortunate because unless Mac & Yurt recover, I can't see us pulling enough miracles to get a bid. With the roster turnover we will be young again in key positions. A lot can change between now and the end of the '20 cycle but right now we are just getting to the level of basic roster construction versus really pushing things forward.

I agree with all of this. Rankings aren't the end all be all but give me a team full of 50 - 150 kids and we should be back to the levels that we all hope for. I have said on here before we should be living in the 50-150 range. That's out of the way of the big boys and where you get great 4 year players. Q is good and has shown why he was rated higher than say Tim and we can only assume Malcolm. Same goes with say Josh Leblanc and Grayson Carter for instance. It's not an absolute buts it right more than its wrong. Q was in that top 150 range and I think Sibley and Beard end up there. Clark will shoot up a bit though not sure he makes the Top 150. If you get the over 200 kids they have a chance to be good as they get older as long as they stick around. There are diamonds in the rough but if you are counting on mostly diamonds in the rough you usually end up in the rough.

How Pat fills out next year's team will tell us a lot about his perceived job security. If he brings in say Collins and Hill he thinks he has a few years to turn this around. I am in the camp of that hypothetical team not being better than this year's current team.

[hoyainla]

Feb 20, 2020 15:31:51 GMT -5 wolveribe said:

A grad point guard a la Allen would do wonders. Add in a versatile 3/4 (maybe grad) and some type of shooter is my ideal scenario.

Would you also like Allen Iverson to come back and use up his remaining years as well?

Needless to say I want all of that as well but it's a lot to ask for. I would just take a grad PG like Allen. We were very lucky to get a guy like Allen. The chances of getting another one are slim to none.

[wolveribe]

Feb 20, 2020 15:41:14 GMT -5 hoyainla said:

Feb 20, 2020 15:31:51 GMT -5 wolveribe said:

A grad point guard a la Allen would do wonders. Add in a versatile 3/4 (maybe grad) and some type of shooter is my ideal scenario.

Would you also like Allen Iverson to come back and use up his remaining years as well?

Needless to say I want all of that as well but it's a lot to ask for. I would just take a grad PG like Allen. We were very lucky to get a guy like Allen. The chances of getting another one are slim to none.

Not like that is shooting for the moon.  There are a few grad transfer PGs that will be available, just a solid player that provides insurance for freshman is ok.  

[madgesiq92]

Its possible that next year may be our toughest year (record wise) under Ewing, but also the year that holds the most promise for the future. Understanding the type of program we are, we have to assume that Georgetown is going to give Pat a reset based on the events of this year, and give him an opportunity to rebuild next year.

I like all of our recruits, but because of our decimated roster, we are likely to have kids in the rotation that in another program you wouldn't expect to be contributing major minutes until year 2-3. This will not be the 2008 Hoyas with McD AA's Wright, Freeman and Macklin coming off the bench. Experience of Allen and Mosely will be difficult to replace.

My guess is that if all breaks right, 2022 is the year we return to the tournament.

[hoyainla]

Feb 20, 2020 15:48:12 GMT -5 wolveribe said:

Feb 20, 2020 15:41:14 GMT -5 hoyainla said:

Would you also like Allen Iverson to come back and use up his remaining years as well?

Needless to say I want all of that as well but it's a lot to ask for. I would just take a grad PG like Allen. We were very lucky to get a guy like Allen. The chances of getting another one are slim to none.

Not like that is shooting for the moon.  There are a few grad transfer PGs that will be available, just a solid player that provides insurance for freshman is ok.  

I think you were spot on with your wants. If we bring in a grad PG, which I think we should, he will likely be closer to a Trey Dickerson or Luwane Pipkins than he will be Allen. I have been Allen's biggest fan since the beginning because I know how lucky we were to get him. I think the biggest problem we have for next year's success is that Pat has shown an unwillingness to play the grad players over younger players. Maybe he has learned his lesson after 2 years in a row. I guess we will have to wait and see.

[calhoya]

Feb 20, 2020 15:55:13 GMT -5 madgesiq92 said:

Its possible that next year may be our toughest year (record wise) under Ewing, but also the year that holds the most promise for the future. Understanding the type of program we are, we have to assume that Georgetown is going to give Pat a reset based on the events of this year, and give him an opportunity to rebuild next year.

I like all of our recruits, but because of our decimated roster, we are likely to have kids in the rotation that in another program you wouldn't expect to be contributing major minutes until year 2-3. This will not be the 2008 Hoyas with McD AA's Wright, Freeman and Macklin coming off the bench. Experience of Allen and Mosely will be difficult to replace.

My guess is that if all breaks right, 2022 is the year we return to the tournament.

Well I hope that you are being far too pessimistic. If Ewing does not get the Hoyas back to the tournament until 2022 then I consider his hiring a failure. It's not that hard to turn a program around these days. We are talking about making a 68 team tourney, not winning it. I cannot treat the mid-season losses as something which gives the coaches a pass. At most this gives the coaches a pass for this season. Truth is that if Ewing can coach--and I am believing in him more all the time--the availability of grad transfers, late commits and decommits should make it possible for a program to rise quickly. It comes down to picking kids that are going to fit his system, play together and who will make the effort to develop. It then comes down to finding a coaching staff to facilitate that development. I want 4* and 5* recruits too, but if you stack up on kids with less notoriety coming in then it is on the coach to develop them and the program should not have to wait 5 years to get back in the tournament.

[hoyainla]

Feb 20, 2020 15:55:13 GMT -5 madgesiq92 said:

Its possible that next year may be our toughest year (record wise) under Ewing, but also the year that holds the most promise for the future. Understanding the type of program we are, we have to assume that Georgetown is going to give Pat a reset based on the events of this year, and give him an opportunity to rebuild next year.

I like all of our recruits, but because of our decimated roster, we are likely to have kids in the rotation that in another program you wouldn't expect to be contributing major minutes until year 2-3. This will not be the 2008 Hoyas with McD AA's Wright, Freeman and Macklin coming off the bench. Experience of Allen and Mosely will be difficult to replace.

My guess is that if all breaks right, 2022 is the year we return to the tournament.

I think barring landing some unforeseen studs that we don't even know about yet that 2022 is the new target date. I also think its incredible to think Pat will get 6 year to make this right but I don't doubt he will. As I said in my other post. We will know how concerned he is about winning in the next 2 years with how he fills out the roster.

[bostonfan]

Feb 20, 2020 15:31:51 GMT -5 wolveribe said:

A grad point guard a la Allen would do wonders. Add in a versatile 3/4 (maybe grad) and some type of shooter is my ideal scenario.

A good solid grad transfer PG is going tone key. They don't need a guy who has big scoring numbers, just someone who can run the team, take care of the ball and play some decent defense. Allen has impressed me lately with some of the scoring he has done, but that is really secondary to the way he has run the team since the transfers. His experience and leadership have been huge.

If they are going together another grad transfer I think you look for either a designated 3 point shooting specialist to help spread the floor, or a strong/athletic power forward that can rebound and defend some of the more athletic power forwards that play in the Big East (guys like Bey, Samuels and Marshall) who sometimes seem to be just too big or too strong for Mosely or Pickett to cover.

[hoyainla]

Feb 20, 2020 16:27:50 GMT -5 calhoya said:

Feb 20, 2020 15:55:13 GMT -5 madgesiq92 said:

Its possible that next year may be our toughest year (record wise) under Ewing, but also the year that holds the most promise for the future. Understanding the type of program we are, we have to assume that Georgetown is going to give Pat a reset based on the events of this year, and give him an opportunity to rebuild next year.

I like all of our recruits, but because of our decimated roster, we are likely to have kids in the rotation that in another program you wouldn't expect to be contributing major minutes until year 2-3. This will not be the 2008 Hoyas with McD AA's Wright, Freeman and Macklin coming off the bench. Experience of Allen and Mosely will be difficult to replace.

My guess is that if all breaks right, 2022 is the year we return to the tournament.

Well I hope that you are being far too pessimistic. If Ewing does not get the Hoyas back to the tournament until 2022 then I consider his hiring a failure. It's not that hard to turn a program around these days. We are talking about making a 68 team tourney, not winning it. I cannot treat the mid-season losses as something which gives the coaches a pass. At most this gives the coaches a pass for this season. Truth is that if Ewing can coach--and I am believing in him more all the time--the availability of grad transfers, late commits and decommits should make it possible for a program to rise quickly. It comes down to picking kids that are going to fit his system, play together and who will make the effort to develop. It then comes down to finding a coaching staff to facilitate that development. I want 4* and 5* recruits too, but if you stack up on kids with less notoriety coming in then it is on the coach to develop them and the program should not have to wait 5 years to get back in the tournament.

I agree with your point of its really not that hard to make the tournament. Especially for a team at our level. The truth is last year and this year's teams had enough talent to be tournament teams. I think looking back his first year's talent wasn't as bad as people made it out to be either but it was less than the last 2. If Pat fills these last 2 spots with big time grad transfers than next year could be good enough to make the tournament but I am getting less confident in that. I get the feeling that Pat wants to do this with his guys that he is responsible and developed. Yes they are all his guys but he has shown to be partial to the ones he is most responsible for bringing in. He has always seemed to look toward the future than playing to win now. Maybe with the Macinjo cloud broken that will help. If in his mind this year wasn't his fault and he feels he has years to turn this around I think next year will be more like the last few.