All Votes Matter

[Elvado]

Thanks for correcting me. When you put it that way, it is readily apparent that I was incorrect and Menendez and the Democrat sheep who re-elected him are truly fine individuals.

[Deleted]

Can the both sides crowd give me the relevant example of this on he left because this looks like something only Republicans do.

Combine this with what looks to have happened in NC-9 and you see a party more interested in maintaining power than having free and fair elections where the will of the people is represented...

From start to finish, all these laws are designed to do is make it harder for certain groups to vote.

[flyoverhoya]

Yup. I'm in WI, and this is complete bull. The bill to move the presidential primary actually didn't make it out of committee yesterday, but the balance of the package did, and will likely fly through the Assembly and Senate today. Walker's been a little coy about his support, but it's pretty clear he's going to sign. It's not in his nature to be a statesman and/or look out for the integrity of his office or the state government on his way out the door.

[guru]

Dec 4, 2018 8:15:33 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Thanks for correcting me. When you put it that way, it is readily apparent that I was incorrect and Menendez and the Democrat sheep who re-elected him are truly fine individuals.

Your sarcasm needs work

[Deleted]

The people yelling about voter fraud have members that were actually committing election fraud. North Carolina is one of the states where Republicans attempted one of their most brazen voter suppression schemes.

North Carolina legislators had requested data on voting patterns by race and, with that data in hand, drafted a law that would "target African-Americans with almost surgical precision," the court said.


"That fight began in 2013, when the state made cuts to early voting, created a photo ID requirement and eliminated same-day registration, out-of-precinct voting and preregistration of high school students.

"More than half of all voters there use early voting, and African-Americans do so at higher rates than whites. African-Americans also tend to overwhelmingly vote for Democrats."
Those provisions of the law were struck down in July 2016 by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

In its ruling, the appeals court said the law was intentionally designed to discriminate against black people. North Carolina legislators had requested data on voting patterns by race and, with that data in hand, drafted a law that would "target African-Americans with almost surgical precision," the court said.

Just to be clear, what she described is 100% illegal according to North Carolina election law. Not her fault, she's just doing the job she was paid to do.

The man she handed the ballots to was previously convicted of felony fraud and hired by the Harris and McCiver campaigns...

[SSHoya]

Certain posters are very Trumpean - identify a factual inaccuracy, retarget to change the subject. I see your one Senate Democrat and his sheeplike base and raise you one President and his Republican base who accept his pathological lying and Fox as truth. OTOH, perhaps the voters of his district cannot abide by the GOP and decided to punish the GOP candidate to send a message to the malignancy occupying the WH - as recommended by former Republican Max Boot - independents and rational GOPers (yes, I actually know some) stayed home and didn't vote at all.

In fairness to this poster at least he admits the inaccurate facts underlying his false implication that Menendez was somehow analogous to Hunter and Collins unlike Don the Con. But much like Trump he fires from the hip in the early morning without regard to the truth of his implication. Good job!

[njhoya78]

Dec 4, 2018 8:15:33 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Thanks for correcting me. When you put it that way, it is readily apparent that I was incorrect and Menendez and the Democrat sheep who re-elected him are truly fine individuals.

I live in New Jersey. Menendez was not re-elected by "sheep" who effectively ratified his repugnant conduct. We voted for him holding our collective noses. We viewed the Republican nominee as being a poorer alternative (which speaks volumes for his qualification for office). It would had been far preferable had the Democrats refused to support Menendez in the primary. I don't think he'll run for re-election in 2024; there will be a far stronger primary challenge at that time (likely from Mikey Sherrill).

[Elvado]

Dec 4, 2018 12:33:46 GMT -5 njhoya78 said:

Dec 4, 2018 8:15:33 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Thanks for correcting me. When you put it that way, it is readily apparent that I was incorrect and Menendez and the Democrat sheep who re-elected him are truly fine individuals.

I live in New Jersey. Menendez was not re-elected by "sheep" who effectively ratified his repugnant conduct. We voted for him holding our collective noses. We viewed the Republican nominee as being a poorer alternative (which speaks volumes for his qualification for office). It would had been far preferable had the Democrats refused to support Menendez in the primary. I don't think he'll run for re-election in 2024; there will be a far stronger primary challenge at that time (likely from Mikey Sherrill).

Fair enough. Either way, NJ returned a documented scumbag to the Senate.

That holding one’s nose to vote works the other way too...

[Deleted]

What happened to the ballots Kinlaw picked up? She gave them to McCrae Dowless. After that, she doesn't know.

"I don't know what happened to them, he had stacks of them on his desk."
#NC09 #ncpol @wsoctv

[hoyarooter]

Dec 4, 2018 13:11:08 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Dec 4, 2018 12:33:46 GMT -5 njhoya78 said:

I live in New Jersey. Menendez was not re-elected by "sheep" who effectively ratified his repugnant conduct. We voted for him holding our collective noses. We viewed the Republican nominee as being a poorer alternative (which speaks volumes for his qualification for office). It would had been far preferable had the Democrats refused to support Menendez in the primary. I don't think he'll run for re-election in 2024; there will be a far stronger primary challenge at that time (likely from Mikey Sherrill).

Fair enough. Either way, NJ returned a documented scumbag to the Senate.

That holding one’s nose to vote works the other way too...

That's exactly right - so why characterize Democratic voters in NJ as sheep? I can't speak for Collins in NY, but I know that Hunter won because voters want a conservative in Congress. If Hunter is forced to resign or thrown out, they will just elect another Republican in the special election rather than be stuck with a Democrat for two years. They aren't saying that they approve of Hunter's alleged behavior, just as the voters in NJ didn't approve of Menendez's alleged behavior - and his charges were no longer pending. I don't see any reason to throw shade at these people - I at least respect their honesty. And NJ is no different. I think you just need to be harping about something. Stick to dumping on Syracuse and Villanova.

[Deleted]

Can I get a both sider to chime in on this? Any relevant examples of this on the Democrats side or is this purely a GOP thing?

Just spitballing here but I think that's why they voted for him....

Vos: 16,775 votes.

Evers: 1,323,545 votes.

[Deleted]

Evers ran on Healthcare. I doubt any GOP state senator ran on stripping his powers if he won...

This is democracy being stolen. Republicans keep showing the only time they care about the will of the people is when the will of the people is for them to have more power.

Funny how Speaker Voss just noticed he's given to much power to the executive branch the moment it changed hands from Republican to Democrat.

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www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=100

[hoyarooter]

I'm curious about this Wisconsin situation.

1. Will the Republicans continue to be in control of the legislature in 2019? If so, what's the rush here? If not, can't the new legislature just pass another bill repealing this legislation? Or will it be a Congress situation, with one house controlled by the Dems, and one by the Repubs?

2. Is what they are doing even permissible under the state constitution? What powers are they stripping from the executive, and what right do they have to do so?

3. Walker should show some cajones and veto this bill. Fat chance, right?

[badgerhoya]

Dec 5, 2018 18:43:56 GMT -5 hoyarooter said:

I'm curious about this Wisconsin situation.

1. Will the Republicans continue to be in control of the legislature in 2019? If so, what's the rush here? If not, can't the new legislature just pass another bill repealing this legislation? Or will it be a Congress situation, with one house controlled by the Dems, and one by the Repubs?

2. Is what they are doing even permissible under the state constitution? What powers are they stripping from the executive, and what right do they have to do so?

3. Walker should show some cajones and veto this bill. Fat chance, right?

1) Yes, but the Gov won’t be, and they don’t have veto-proof majorities.

2) Who knows, but the State Supreme Court has recently been a rubber stamp for the conservative movement since 2008, so whether it’s legal or not is really up in the air.

3) Agreed. But he hasn’t shown himself to have much sac when it comes to maintaining political norms.

Frankly, the best possible action at this point is for a) the 2020 Supreme Court election allows for a swing back to the Ds, b) the 2020 census loosens some of the gerrymander because the legislature has to work with a D Governor to get redistricting passed, and c) a more moderate legislature gets elected in 2022.

Not a great option, but it is what it is.

[SSHoya]

Shocking! More GOP hypocrisy! Where's that loser Kris Kobach when you need him??

Woodhouse’s apparent antagonism toward the inquiry into the absentee-ballot issues also stood in stark contrast with the actions and statements of the Republican Party and its lawmakers in North Carolina. For years, the state has been at the vanguard of the party’s nationwide efforts to pass restrictive voting legislation such as voter ID laws in the name of supposed election integrity, though studies have failed to show any evidence of large-scale fraud by voters in the United States.

Nationally, the specter of voter fraud has also become a fixation for Republicans. But many of the prominent party officials who have complained about supposed voting issues, such as Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (Wis.) and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, have remained silent about the investigation in North Carolina. President Trump, who has made unsupported conspiracy theories and unfounded claims about fraudulent votes a hallmark of his presidency, also has said nothing about the issue in the state.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/06/gop-was-upset-about-election-fraud-before-it-threatened-their-candidate/?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_ncgop-551am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

[flyoverhoya]

Dec 5, 2018 20:07:42 GMT -5 badgerhoya said:

Dec 5, 2018 18:43:56 GMT -5 hoyarooter said:

I'm curious about this Wisconsin situation.

1. Will the Republicans continue to be in control of the legislature in 2019? If so, what's the rush here? If not, can't the new legislature just pass another bill repealing this legislation? Or will it be a Congress situation, with one house controlled by the Dems, and one by the Repubs?

2. Is what they are doing even permissible under the state constitution? What powers are they stripping from the executive, and what right do they have to do so?

3. Walker should show some cajones and veto this bill. Fat chance, right?

1) Yes, but the Gov won’t be, and they don’t have veto-proof majorities.

2) Who knows, but the State Supreme Court has recently been a rubber stamp for the conservative movement since 2008, so whether it’s legal or not is really up in the air.

3) Agreed. But he hasn’t shown himself to have much sac when it comes to maintaining political norms.

Frankly, the best possible action at this point is for a) the 2020 Supreme Court election allows for a swing back to the Ds, b) the 2020 census loosens some of the gerrymander because the legislature has to work with a D Governor to get redistricting passed, and c) a more moderate legislature gets elected in 2022.

Not a great option, but it is what it is.

Sounds about right. Scroll up a page or two for some pretty start numbers re: gerrymandering in Wisconsin. Dems got about 54% of the vote in all Assembly races, but the Republicans control the chamber 63-34. State Senate is 19-14 Republican, I think.

There are two S.Ct. elections next year - Dan Kelly (a recent Walker appointee) has to run for a full 10 year term. They wanted to move the presidential primary so that Kelly's election wasn't on the same date. Another justice, Shirley Abrahamsn, is retiring, and her seat's up for grabs, too (although maybe not until next fall - haven't checked). Kelley's a conservative, Abrahamson's a liberal.

Don't look for Walker to be a statesman and do the right thing here. It's not in his nature.

[Deleted]

Republicans commit election fraud. Their solution? Use that act as a reason to restrict voter access further.

The voters did nothing wrong. The guys your people hired did. Punish them, not the voters.

[Deleted]

Previously: If even one person voted illegally it's a problem!...

BTW Harris won by 900 votes and...

Crickets from the GOP... Is Fox even bothering to cover this?

[flyoverhoya]

Dec 6, 2018 11:56:42 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Republicans commit election fraud. Their solution? Use that act as a reason to restrict voter access further.

The voters did nothing wrong. The guys your people hired did. Punish them, not the voters.

That doesn't even make any sense. Early and absentee voting are effectively the same thing.