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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 15, 2017 13:21:01 GMT -5
Agree with this 100%. Heard the same along with Syracuse. Pretty sure that if somehow Duke had missed out on Duval their attention would have moved to Waters and other available PGs. No. Waters is not a OAD. Duval is. Duke is in a good position with the 2018 PG crop. That doesn't work out if they bring in Waters who is a 3 year guy in college at least. That's why they brought in the 2 star PG, he doesn't threaten any of the PGs on their board. Yes Duke is involved with a lot top tier PG's next year and the year after that and so on as long as Coack K is there. Yes more than likely Waters is a multi year college player. Both true facts but that has never stopped Duke, Kentucky, Arizona, Louisville type programs from recruiting over players. That's the risk you take when you sign to the those type of programs. Ask Derryk Thornton if Duke doesn't recruit over PG's.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 15, 2017 13:45:54 GMT -5
So you're saying that Duke would have recruited Tucker if they had landed Knox? Duke wasn't actively recruiting Tucker. They offered him in May of his senior year, a week before he committed and the day after they surprisingly lost Knox to Kentucky. No, I'm saying they recruited Tucker as a fall back option for awhile. The offer came late because of that reason. But Duke was always in the picture.
"Tucker told Scout he was about to pick Syracuse when Duke got involved. “I was about to narrow it down to just Syracuse,” Tucker told the site. “Then Duke came in and I wasn’t sure at first, but my visit changed my perspective on everything and it made my decision even harder.”
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 15, 2017 13:54:10 GMT -5
You guys are looking at recruiting from a fan's perspective. Just because Waters coming to Georgetown makes sense doesn't make it plausible. He knows Georgetown better than every other school in his recruitment and has decided Georgetown is not the best place for him. Duke had been recruiting Jordan Tucker for quite some time. They just didn't have a scholarship for him because he was their plan C. You can spin it as depth all you want, the Hoyas don't bring in Trey Dickerson if they had a shot at Waters. Dickerson isn't coming here to be a backup to a freshman for his senior year. He came here to raise his profile. Both sides know that, it was the major selling point. Actually I think you're the one looking at all this as a fan. In terms of Waters, yes he knows Georgetown, but he doesn't know Ewing. Top level prospects don't commit to schools anymore they commit to coaches. That's why there are so many transfers in the first couple of seasons when a new coach is brought in. Waters maybe getting to know Ewing, Miller, etc. before deciding again. It's been just over 5 weeks since he got his release and Ewing made the initial visit. I'm sure it took JT3 longer than 5 weeks to get Waters commitment. In terms of Dickerson, I doubt Ewing made any promises to a 5th year kid who has some game but didn't light the world on fire at in the Summit League and probably wouldn't start at South Dakota next year. Dickerson has no affect on Waters. Isn't it also possible that Dickerson and Waters could both start? The way I see it there are at least 3 starting spots up for grabs. Bottom line I completely agree that Dickerson has no effect on Waters.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 15, 2017 14:08:13 GMT -5
I don't think 95 is saying that getting Dickerson automatically excluded Waters - just that we went after Dickerson because we knew Waters wasn't coming. Whether that is the case or not, we will see.
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Post by 95hoya on May 15, 2017 14:32:20 GMT -5
Pretty much, and people put way too much stock into what is printed.
Duke has had a long time relationship with Jordan Tucker. They just weren't an option until Knox went elsewhere. Waters and Duke have no relationship. Not the same.
I won't say anymore and will let those holding out hope continue to do so as that is part of being a fan. I just had to intervene when I see people try to connect the dots and conclude that we have as good a shot as anyone when I believe that is far from the truth.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 15, 2017 15:12:19 GMT -5
I think it's very possible Waters has no clue what he wants to do. Obviously, if he knew what he wanted, he would have made a choice already. His father and family are also surely influential, and who knows if everybody sees things eye to eye? If the kid is lukewarm on Georgetown, doesn't want to go to Connecticut because they aren't very good, and is hesitant about WKU because well...they're WKU, then from his perspective, he probably doesn't have any choices he likes.
I do think Waters thought he'd get more interest than he's gotten since decommitting. That's got to be a real shot at the ego.
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Post by TC on May 15, 2017 15:21:56 GMT -5
I won't say anymore and will let those holding out hope continue to do so as that is part of being a fan. I just had to intervene when I see people try to connect the dots and conclude that we have as good a shot as anyone when I believe that is far from the truth. Waters might not come - maybe he picks WKU or Creighton or UCONN or maybe Kansas swoops in at the last minute - but it isn't from any of the reasons that you've given. He's not going to eliminate us because we signed a grad transfer for one year who played 20 minutes a game for South Dakota.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 15, 2017 15:54:46 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on May 15, 2017 15:57:19 GMT -5
Duval to Duke is absolutely a positive development for the Hoyas. Waters was smart to wait for that chip to fall... sure, maybe Duke wasn't on him hard but if if Duval had decided to go elsewhere then it seems possible that Duke would have turned to Waters. He had nothing to lose by waiting for that to play out. Now Duke is out of the picture and that leaves the Hoyas competing against UCONN, who already has a starting point guard, and Western Kentucky, who has question marks in a number of areas (academics, exposure, team makeup in 2018, atmosphere, etc). Seems to me the chances have improved. WKU has a top 10 recruiting class according to Rivals. Hoyas are not listed among the top 40. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/rivals-2017-basketball-team-rankings-update
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Post by s4hoyas on May 15, 2017 15:57:51 GMT -5
My question of 95 is very simple...how do you know that we essentially have no shot at Waters...has someone on the staff told you that?... because that's your implication/tone...if so, that's good enough for me...but if you are just making the determination on your own, based on gut feeling, tea leaves, delay, etc. that's perfectly fine but not quite the same degree of validity...
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 15, 2017 16:11:41 GMT -5
Duval to Duke is absolutely a positive development for the Hoyas. Waters was smart to wait for that chip to fall... sure, maybe Duke wasn't on him hard but if if Duval had decided to go elsewhere then it seems possible that Duke would have turned to Waters. He had nothing to lose by waiting for that to play out. Now Duke is out of the picture and that leaves the Hoyas competing against UCONN, who already has a starting point guard, and Western Kentucky, who has question marks in a number of areas (academics, exposure, team makeup in 2018, atmosphere, etc). Seems to me the chances have improved. WKU has a top 10 recruiting class according to Rivals. Hoyas are not listed among the top 40. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/rivals-2017-basketball-team-rankings-updateI dont think anyone is questioning they have landed a better recruiting class and I would have to think 1 of the only reasons hes considering W Kentucky. However unless their making a big run in the tourney or have a monster out of conf schedule I can't imagine hes going to get the type of national exposure he wants. However i do agree w/95 just my gut he would have already re-committed by now if he was coming back. Hope im wrong
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Post by TC on May 15, 2017 16:20:58 GMT -5
However i do agree w/95 just my gut he would have already re-committed by now if he was coming back. Hope im wrong That works for almost all of the schools in his list though - what's the reason he hasn't committed to WKU? Or Creighton? Or UCONN? All of them seem to have actionable offers on him. Why wouldn't he have committed to one of those places by now? If he's waiting to see how things play out with Kansas and Kentucky, that makes sense. But to say we are out of it because he's looking at WKU/Creighton/UCONN is absurd.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 15, 2017 16:43:52 GMT -5
However i do agree w/95 just my gut he would have already re-committed by now if he was coming back. Hope im wrong [/quote ]That works for almost all of the schools in his list though - what's the reason he hasn't committed to WKU? Or Creighton? Or UCONN? All of them seem to have actionable offers on him. Why wouldn't he have committed to one of those places by now?If he's waiting to see how things play out with Kansas and Kentucky, that makes sense. But to say we are out of it because he's looking at WKU/Creighton/UCONN is absurd. I would think most believe it's because he was waiting to see what Duval did, in case Duke offered him were Duval to have chosen another school. We didn't know Duval was going to Duke until a few hours ago.
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Post by EtomicB on May 15, 2017 16:52:55 GMT -5
However i do agree w/95 just my gut he would have already re-committed by now if he was coming back. Hope im wrong That works for almost all of the schools in his list though - what's the reason he hasn't committed to WKU? Or Creighton? Or UCONN? All of them seem to have actionable offers on him. Why wouldn't he have committed to one of those places by now? If he's waiting to see how things play out with Kansas and Kentucky, that makes sense. But to say we are out of it because he's looking at WKU/Creighton/UCONN is absurd. Creighton seems out according to league bylaws.. Uconn has 2 talented lead guards who are underclassmen plus they signed another as a grad transfer.. We'll see now how serious he is about WKU, he's kept his last visit around just in case.. As I posted earlier I wouldn't be surprised to see Baylor get involved.. It appears to me that you're adding more information into what folks are posting, I don't think any poster said Gtown is out due to Dickerson or WKU, Uconn or Creighton etc.. It looks to me like they're saying Gtown is out because he no longer wants to play here.. He probably lists Gtown for the same reason he kept listing UK, KU, Duke etc. it looks better
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 15, 2017 17:16:17 GMT -5
Pretty much , and people put way too much stock into what is printed.Duke has had a long time relationship with Jordan Tucker. They just weren't an option until Knox went elsewhere. Waters and Duke have no relationship. Not the same.I won't say anymore and will let those holding out hope continue to do so as that is part of being a fan. I just had to intervene when I see people try to connect the dots and conclude that we have as good a shot as anyone when I believe that is far from the truth. Yeah FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS from a well respected Sports Journalist who writes for the New York Times as well as his Zagsblog, has a ton of contacts in the college basketball world, and was interviewing the athlete where he got a direct quotes from the Jordan Tucker himself. But you want us all just to take your word for it. LMAO...Where have I heard this from before hmmm.. Then you state Waters has no relationship with Duke. We're starting to fact checker on this board because that statement just isn't true or at best misleading. MORE FAKE NEWS: Waters was offered by Duke on April 20, 2016, 5 months plus before Duke Offers Trevon Duval (November 25, 2016) and a whole year plus before they offered Tucker. Duke rarely offers kids as early as they offered Waters so that leads one to believe they were high on him at one time. Waters also visited Duke unofficially last summer. So Duke has no relationship with Waters? It's possible and very likely that Duke cooled on Waters at some point or were just higher on one of the many other talented guards in this class. But there at one point was a relationship. If you want to say that there has been no contact between Waters and Duke since he decommited, that's possibly true but unless you're in Waters camp or an assistant coach at Duke, you don't know for sure. It's just as possible that Duke and Waters camp had some contact after his decommitment where Duke told Waters that their all in on Duval but if anything changes we will be in contact. You nor I have no idea. My whole point is that Duke could have easily made a 180 turn on Waters as they did after loosing Knox to get Tucker. Coach K is a Savage when it comes to recruiting. Just 2 years ago he was without a PG and was so desperate he talked a top high school rising senior to skipping his senior year and run the point for him. Coach K immediately recruited over him. If you listen to those in Derryk Thornton's camp, Coach K and staff made all kind of promises and reneged on all of them. So you can't tell me without a doubt that Coach K wouldn't have gone after Waters to run the point for him next year if they lost out on Duval.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 15, 2017 17:26:50 GMT -5
I dont think anyone is questioning they have landed a better recruiting class and I would have to think 1 of the only reasons hes considering W Kentucky. However unless their making a big run in the tourney or have a monster out of conf schedule I can't imagine hes going to get the type of national exposure he wants. However i do agree w/95 just my gut he would have already re-committed by now if he was coming back. Hope im wrong I think the Western Kentucky was the media's overreaction lead by Jerry Meyers to him mentioning at Jordan Brand Game that Western Kentucky had reached out to him. Haven't heard a word regarding Western Kentucky since by Waters or his clan. Western Kentucky IMO just doesn't fit the profile of a school he is looking for. Creighton based on what we know would require an appeal to the BIG EAST Conference of a change of the known recruiting rules.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 15, 2017 17:29:31 GMT -5
I believe the next 2wks will tell a lot about where GTown is in the pecking order of desired schools. I know if I had a ideal job, I wouldn't accept another position before I had to. If there was a chance at the job I wanted. GTown may have fell to number 2 after JT3 was fired. We'll see.....
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Post by hoyaboya on May 16, 2017 9:28:19 GMT -5
While it would look like Trevon Duval’s decision could affect the recruitment of Tremont Waters, that is not the case here. Originally committed to Georgetown, Waters backed off of his commitment a month ago. Ever since, it's been difficult to find information as to where things stand with the Connecticut native. Duke reached out to Waters’ camp last month, but nothing developed. A number of schools have been mentioned with the super skilled senior, including Georgetown, which has done its best to remain in the mix following the coaching change on the Hilltop. The three programs that have had some sort of traction with him are UConn, Western Kentucky and Creighton. The Blue Jays have had great success with its guard talent while WKU is bringing in one of the best mid-major recruiting classes that we have seen in recent years. UConn, the local school, has a need at the lead guard spot after seeing its own 2017 signee, Makai Ashton-Langford, ask for his release earlier in the spring before signing with Providence. Could Waters commit tomorrow? Yes. Could he wait until the summer? Yes. It would be anyone’s guess, including the school he plans on attending. Whatever school lands Waters will be adding a top-flight floor general who can immediately produce next season. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-graduate-transfers-indiana-recruiting-tremont-waters
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Post by hoyazeke on May 16, 2017 10:11:39 GMT -5
Are we missing info on the Creighton situation? No one who isn't associated with this site is even mentioning the BE conference pitfall. Did GTown give Tremont free right to go to any school or is that a NCAA rule that is above GTown? Just wondering because Tremont and independent writers are not even referring to the potential roadblock....
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Post by trillesthoya on May 16, 2017 10:11:50 GMT -5
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