nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on May 15, 2017 10:14:14 GMT -5
It was always pretty unclear whether Duke was actually recruiting Waters, considering they were obviously pursuing Duval and signed another 3 star. Not at all sure the interest was ever mutual there.
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Post by s4hoyas on May 15, 2017 10:15:59 GMT -5
Evidently, it was indicated on another pay site that "UConn leads"...no idea whether there is any truth to this...as many on here know, they hired Ralph Chillious as lead recruiter/Asst Head Coach (who's known as a very good recruiter)...they would be "the local favorite", but I believe that Jalen Adams is returning as the starting point guard (unless they are selling rotating or interchanging them or using 3 guard offense or some such pitch)...but if the Waters' commitment to academics is "half the decision" AND he starts and plays 35 mns/gm from the start and is the team leader, Georgetown is the clearly better choice.
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Post by s4hoyas on May 15, 2017 10:45:08 GMT -5
I heard this from a friend, who said he got it from someone else...so I'm not sure of the original source...I don't subscribe to any pay sites but I had not seen it anywhere on here so "assumed" it must have come from a pay site...probably shouldn't have made that assumption but was just passing along what I thought to be 3rd party hearsay...
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Post by EtomicB on May 15, 2017 10:49:32 GMT -5
Wonder if Baylor gets involved now that Duval has decided?
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Post by 95hoya on May 15, 2017 10:54:32 GMT -5
Duval has been a Duke lock for awhile now. It was a secret to nobody. Trust me, Waters knows Duke wasn't an option for him.
If it was going to be Georgetown, the decision to re-committ would have happened weeks ago.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on May 15, 2017 11:21:39 GMT -5
Western Kentucky has a monster recruiting class with two top 100 guys and I think a bigtime Juco. I think that's the main competition now. UConn can't look too good to Waters .. the coach could be fired with one more bad season. Fingers crossed. This kid would be a tremendous piece of the puzzle for Coach Ewing. The good news is that he's likely a 3 maybe 4 year player ... and it looks to me that 19 is shaping up to be a monster year for the Hoyas. I don't think Ollie is on the hot seat. He's less than one recruiting cycle from leading a rather mediocre team to a national title...
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Post by centercourt400s on May 15, 2017 11:29:29 GMT -5
Duval to Duke is absolutely a positive development for the Hoyas. Waters was smart to wait for that chip to fall... sure, maybe Duke wasn't on him hard but if if Duval had decided to go elsewhere then it seems possible that Duke would have turned to Waters. He had nothing to lose by waiting for that to play out.
Now Duke is out of the picture and that leaves the Hoyas competing against UCONN, who already has a starting point guard, and Western Kentucky, who has question marks in a number of areas (academics, exposure, team makeup in 2018, atmosphere, etc). Seems to me the chances have improved.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 15, 2017 11:50:00 GMT -5
UConn also had a losing season so we are even there. they play against South Florida, Tulane, East Carolina, Central Florida, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, Cincy, Temple & Memphis. I think we win on the competition and higher profile thing too. Even with Hoya tinted glasses there doesn't seem to be a comparison there. So stay at home or go to a premier academic institution in DC?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 15, 2017 12:19:02 GMT -5
Dominoes are falling! Come back Tremont! This had no impact on Waters. Absolutely disagree! If Duval had gone to Baylor, Arizona, or Pro (which I still think is a possibility), Duke would have immediately turned their attention to the next best available PG as that is a position of major need for them. Look at what they did when they lost Knox to Kentucky. Immediately they began recruiting Tucker who was ready to announce his commitment to Syracuse and wasn't previously being recruited at all by Duke. Within a week Duke got a commitment from him.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 15, 2017 12:22:31 GMT -5
So will KU get back in on Tremont? They have to be the only team on his current list to worry about...I don't get why so many of you are stuck on him wanting to be marketed. We all would wish to be in a position to be marketed. He is just ahead of the game.....fellas this is the most important recruit since Kyle Anderson. If we get Tremont the dominoes will start falling and we will be good/great in 2 years. A dynasty in 4.....😀😀😀 Kansas has been out of the picture for a while. They used their last scholarships on a 5th year Post and California Berkley transfer PG Charlie Moore (very similar to Waters physically).
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 12:23:49 GMT -5
Similar to 95 I've heard Duke wasn't interested.... Heard the info about Duke was coming from the Waters camp because they wanted Duke to get involved. Tremont wanted Duke. Duke only showed light interest if any
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Post by 95hoya on May 15, 2017 12:37:15 GMT -5
You guys are looking at recruiting from a fan's perspective. Just because Waters coming to Georgetown makes sense doesn't make it plausible. He knows Georgetown better than every other school in his recruitment and has decided Georgetown is not the best place for him.
Duke had been recruiting Jordan Tucker for quite some time. They just didn't have a scholarship for him because he was their plan C.
You can spin it as depth all you want, the Hoyas don't bring in Trey Dickerson if they had a shot at Waters. Dickerson isn't coming here to be a backup to a freshman for his senior year. He came here to raise his profile. Both sides know that, it was the major selling point.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 15, 2017 12:37:19 GMT -5
Similar to 95 I've heard Duke wasn't interested.... Heard the info about Duke was coming from the Waters camp because they wanted Duke to get involved. Tremont wanted Duke. Duke only showed light interest if anyAgree with this 100%. Heard the same along with Syracuse. Pretty sure that if somehow Duke had missed out on Duval their attention would have moved to Waters and other available PGs.
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Post by 95hoya on May 15, 2017 12:42:00 GMT -5
Similar to 95 I've heard Duke wasn't interested.... Heard the info about Duke was coming from the Waters camp because they wanted Duke to get involved. Tremont wanted Duke. Duke only showed light interest if anyAgree with this 100%. Heard the same along with Syracuse. Pretty sure that if somehow Duke had missed out on Duval their attention would have moved to Waters and other available PGs. No. Waters is not a OAD. Duval is. Duke is in a good position with the 2018 PG crop. That doesn't work out if they bring in Waters who is a 3 year guy in college at least. That's why they brought in the 2 star PG, he doesn't threaten any of the PGs on their board.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 12:46:54 GMT -5
Similar to 95 I've heard Duke wasn't interested.... Heard the info about Duke was coming from the Waters camp because they wanted Duke to get involved. Tremont wanted Duke. Duke only showed light interest if anyAgree with this 100%. Heard the same along with Syracuse. Pretty sure that if somehow Duke had missed out on Duval their attention would have moved to Waters and other available PGs. Hard to say either way but from what I hear Duke wasn't interested regardless...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 15, 2017 12:52:49 GMT -5
You guys are looking at recruiting from a fan's perspective. Just because Waters coming to Georgetown makes sense doesn't make it plausible. He knows Georgetown better than every other school in his recruitment and has decided Georgetown is not the best place for him. Duke had been recruiting Jordan Tucker for quite some time. They just didn't have a scholarship for him because he was their plan C.You can spin it as depth all you want, the Hoyas don't bring in Trey Dickerson if they had a shot at Waters. Dickerson isn't coming here to be a backup to a freshman for his senior year. He came here to raise his profile. Both sides know that, it was the major selling point. So you're saying that Duke would have recruited Tucker if they had landed Knox? Duke wasn't actively recruiting Tucker. They offered him in May of his senior year, a week before he committed and the day after they surprisingly lost Knox to Kentucky. "Tucker chose Duke after they offered him a scholarship on Saturday when they lost out on Kevin Knox to Kentucky. Tucker had been courted by Syracuse, Villanova and Georgia Tech most recently before narrowing it to Duke and Syracuse."
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Post by TC on May 15, 2017 12:52:50 GMT -5
You guys are looking at recruiting from a fan's perspective. Just because Waters coming to Georgetown makes sense doesn't make it plausible. He knows Georgetown better than every other school in his recruitment and has decided Georgetown is not the best place for him. Duke had been recruiting Jordan Tucker for quite some time. They just didn't have a scholarship for him because he was their plan C. You can spin it as depth all you want, the Hoyas don't bring in Trey Dickerson if they had a shot at Waters. Dickerson isn't coming here to be a backup to a freshman for his senior year. He came here to raise his profile. Both sides know that, it was the major selling point. Basically everything you just wrote is wrong - Dickerson's not a Senior, he's a postgrad, that's the only way he plays next year. He'd have backed up a sophomore at South Dakota if he stayed there, and he didn't even get the lion's share of minutes last year. Yes, the Hoyas bring in Dickerson if they want Waters - you can't have just 1 PG on a roster, and a one year postgrad transfer backup is really the only situation where you can bring in another PG and not alienate Waters. He doesn't eliminate Waters - I don't care what we've told Dickerson, if Waters comes he's the starter and gets most of the minutes. Waters is still listing Georgetown in interviews where they ask him about what schools he is looking at.
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Post by 95hoya on May 15, 2017 12:56:33 GMT -5
You guys are looking at recruiting from a fan's perspective. Just because Waters coming to Georgetown makes sense doesn't make it plausible. He knows Georgetown better than every other school in his recruitment and has decided Georgetown is not the best place for him. Duke had been recruiting Jordan Tucker for quite some time. They just didn't have a scholarship for him because he was their plan C.You can spin it as depth all you want, the Hoyas don't bring in Trey Dickerson if they had a shot at Waters. Dickerson isn't coming here to be a backup to a freshman for his senior year. He came here to raise his profile. Both sides know that, it was the major selling point. So you're saying that Duke would have recruited Tucker if they had landed Knox? Duke wasn't actively recruiting Tucker. They offered him in May of his senior year, a week before he committed and the day after they surprisingly lost Knox to Kentucky. No, I'm saying they recruited Tucker as a fall back option for awhile. The offer came late because of that reason. But Duke was always in the picture.
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Post by 95hoya on May 15, 2017 12:59:25 GMT -5
So you're saying that Duke would have recruited Tucker if they had landed Knox? Duke wasn't actively recruiting Tucker. They offered him in May of his senior year, a week before he committed and the day after they surprisingly lost Knox to Kentucky. No, I'm saying they recruited Tucker as a fall back option for awhile. The offer came late because of that reason. But Duke was always in the picture. Of course Waters starts if he miraculously came here. But the staff and Dickerson have commmunicated with each other what the odds of that happening are...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 15, 2017 13:15:54 GMT -5
You guys are looking at recruiting from a fan's perspective. Just because Waters coming to Georgetown makes sense doesn't make it plausible. He knows Georgetown better than every other school in his recruitment and has decided Georgetown is not the best place for him. Duke had been recruiting Jordan Tucker for quite some time. They just didn't have a scholarship for him because he was their plan C. You can spin it as depth all you want, the Hoyas don't bring in Trey Dickerson if they had a shot at Waters. Dickerson isn't coming here to be a backup to a freshman for his senior year. He came here to raise his profile. Both sides know that, it was the major selling point. Actually I think you're the one looking at all this as a fan. In terms of Waters, yes he knows Georgetown, but he doesn't know Ewing. Top level prospects don't commit to schools anymore they commit to coaches. That's why there are so many transfers in the first couple of seasons when a new coach is brought in. Waters maybe getting to know Ewing, Miller, etc. before deciding again. It's been just over 5 weeks since he got his release and Ewing made the initial visit. I'm sure it took JT3 longer than 5 weeks to get Waters commitment. In terms of Dickerson, I doubt Ewing made any promises to a 5th year kid who has some game but didn't light the world on fire at in the Summit League and probably wouldn't start at South Dakota next year. Dickerson has no affect on Waters.
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