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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 14, 2017 11:06:01 GMT -5
I am going to trust Patrick; he thought Tremont was important enough that Patrick immediately travelled up to Connecticut to meet with him.
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Post by dreamhoya on May 14, 2017 11:09:29 GMT -5
I am going to trust Patrick; he thought Tremont was important enough that Patrick immediately travelled up to Connecticut to meet with him. JTIII told him that TW was "special", so Pat went. I trust Pat too, like what he's doing.
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Post by dreamhoya on May 14, 2017 11:23:59 GMT -5
Don't really have an issue with what he said. Think we are overreacting a bit. Still very very high on him. Can't hate the kid for wanting to be the man and being honest about it. I appreciate the straight-talk. Maybe he didn't really say those quotes. He's good for sure. Elite? Not yet.
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Post by SDHoya on May 14, 2017 11:25:55 GMT -5
I agree w yaboy at this point. I think he is a tremendous talent and we would be better day 1 he steps on the court. That being said I feel like literally we are his last option now if everything else falls through. Someone joked on another thread that BC is Gtowns safety school and I feel like that is exactly how he views us now. I respect JT3 was his guy, I respect his decision, but I feel like our name is thrown out there by him now as saying "well if all else fails...." I think its pretty apparent we are not his current first choice, but I don't think we really know where we fit in the ladder after that, as there has been so little information in the last few weeks. I'd imagine that soon after the Duval dust settles, we'll know whether we are next in line, or whether he simply kept Georgetown among his "schools considering" as a matter of politeness.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 12:14:25 GMT -5
Perhaps Team Waters has some demands.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 14, 2017 13:16:08 GMT -5
I have moved on.
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Post by dreamhoya on May 14, 2017 21:02:34 GMT -5
Yeah, if you take it at face value but again this is an accumulation of several strange quotes coming out of the Waters camp.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 14, 2017 23:33:16 GMT -5
Those of you who are upset about the "market me" phrase are being extremely nieve IMO. Almost every top 50 kid in the country thinks like this to some degree. Every kid that commits to Kentucky, Duke or Kansas, Arizona, UNC etc. has being marketed to the NBA on their mind. You think Jordan Tucker didn't have that on his mind when he abandoned Syracuse and Villanova who's been after him for months when Duke came after him and signed him in 1 week. Waters mistake, if he made one is being too honest and saying that out loud in an interview. I don't find anything wrong with what he said. He also an 18 year old kid and the context of that statement could be easily misinterpreted. I have gone on unofficial visits at high majors when I was coaching high school athletes and each school had a presentation set up where they showed a plan that described how both the school and athlete could be successful including the photo shop of the prospect being on stage at the draft shaking the NBA commissioners hand. I find nothing wrong with what Waters said especially if Georgetown or any other university is going to sell his jersey bobble head and other memorabilia linked to him for the next 20 years if he's super successful while on campus. To me it showed confidence! My advice to you (though it maybe too late) is to watch Alstork on his visit to Illinois via snapchat. There marketing presentation detailed how they would make him one of the best players in the country averaging 20+ PPG, and a 1st round draft pick based on how they would use him within their offense and style play. All that in one season in their system. He's a 5th year transfer, not a top 40 kid with 4 years of eligibility. Waters or any other prospect with legitimate NBA aspirations who thinks like that aren't wrong for it! It's just the way the college game is now for top tier prospects. I am not naive, in that I know colleges recruit this way; they basically blow smoke up the recruits you know what, and they lavish them with praise and try to act as if they are all going to be the greatest thing ever. I mean go back and watch Hoop Dreams. That was made 23+ years ago, and they showed how a fake radio broadcast was made as if the recruit was playing for Marquette and doing great. The fact that teams still doing this - using more modern technology, including video and photoshopping - is no surprise. To me, that's not "marketing" and I don't see how Waters' comment could be construed in any way to mean that type of attention. I don't necessary find anything "wrong" with his comment if that's his opinion, but I do think it's immature and self-serving; not exactly traits you are looking for in a team sport. Having a plan for a player is not marketing in the true sense; it is a plan for basketball. It might be "marketing" in the sense of recruiting, but again, I don't see how you can construe Waters' comment that way. I have no problem with pumping up recruits, showing them what's possible, etc. To the degree that's done, or we do that, go for it. But, I find it hard to believe that Waters hasn't been treated this way at every university he visited, including Georgetown.
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Post by CTHoya08 on May 15, 2017 6:59:43 GMT -5
Those of you who are upset about the "market me" phrase are being extremely nieve IMO. Almost every top 50 kid in the country thinks like this to some degree. Every kid that commits to Kentucky, Duke or Kansas, Arizona, UNC etc. has being marketed to the NBA on their mind. You think Jordan Tucker didn't have that on his mind when he abandoned Syracuse and Villanova who's been after him for months when Duke came after him and signed him in 1 week. Waters mistake, if he made one is being too honest and saying that out loud in an interview. I don't find anything wrong with what he said. He also an 18 year old kid and the context of that statement could be easily misinterpreted. I have gone on unofficial visits at high majors when I was coaching high school athletes and each school had a presentation set up where they showed a plan that described how both the school and athlete could be successful including the photo shop of the prospect being on stage at the draft shaking the NBA commissioners hand. I find nothing wrong with what Waters said especially if Georgetown or any other university is going to sell his jersey bobble head and other memorabilia linked to him for the next 20 years if he's super successful while on campus. To me it showed confidence! My advice to you (though it maybe too late) is to watch Alstork on his visit to Illinois via snapchat. There marketing presentation detailed how they would make him one of the best players in the country averaging 20+ PPG, and a 1st round draft pick based on how they would use him within their offense and style play. All that in one season in their system. He's a 5th year transfer, not a top 40 kid with 4 years of eligibility. Waters or any other prospect with legitimate NBA aspirations who thinks like that aren't wrong for it! It's just the way the college game is now for top tier prospects. I am not naive, in that I know colleges recruit this way; they basically blow smoke up the recruits you know what, and they lavish them with praise and try to act as if they are all going to be the greatest thing ever. I mean go back and watch Hoop Dreams. That was made 23+ years ago, and they showed how a fake radio broadcast was made as if the recruit was playing for Marquette and doing great. The fact that teams still doing this - using more modern technology, including video and photoshopping - is no surprise. To me, that's not "marketing" and I don't see how Waters' comment could be construed in any way to mean that type of attention. I don't necessary find anything "wrong" with his comment if that's his opinion, but I do think it's immature and self-serving; not exactly traits you are looking for in a team sport. Having a plan for a player is not marketing in the true sense; it is a plan for basketball. It might be "marketing" in the sense of recruiting, but again, I don't see how you can construe Waters' comment that way. I have no problem with pumping up recruits, showing them what's possible, etc. To the degree that's done, or we do that, go for it. But, I find it hard to believe that Waters hasn't been treated this way at every university he visited, including Georgetown.I think that's a key point. For all we know, Patrick has talked to him about how GU will "market" him.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 8:21:14 GMT -5
We'll see now if this has any effect.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on May 15, 2017 8:23:21 GMT -5
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Post by TC on May 15, 2017 8:26:52 GMT -5
Dominoes are falling! Come back Tremont!
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Post by turbohoya on May 15, 2017 8:29:36 GMT -5
I am not sure that's great marketing... but if you want to announce via a cartoon video of your life, you nailed it
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 15, 2017 9:03:43 GMT -5
OK. Get ready for Kenner Tremont! Let's go!!!
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Post by hoyazeke on May 15, 2017 9:18:22 GMT -5
So will KU get back in on Tremont? They have to be the only team on his current list to worry about...I don't get why so many of you are stuck on him wanting to be marketed. We all would wish to be in a position to be marketed. He is just ahead of the game.....fellas this is the most important recruit since Kyle Anderson. If we get Tremont the dominoes will start falling and we will be good/great in 2 years. A dynasty in 4.....πππ
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 15, 2017 9:34:35 GMT -5
Patrick has been dealing with big egos for 15 years in the NBA. I have no doubt that he knows exactly what he is doing with Tremont, or any other recruit.
I want to see this young man in blue and gray. He immediately makes us better.
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Post by 95hoya on May 15, 2017 9:39:16 GMT -5
Dominoes are falling! Come back Tremont! This had no impact on Waters.
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 15, 2017 9:59:38 GMT -5
Dominoes are falling! Come back Tremont! This had no impact on Waters. Agree and Disagree... You may be absolutely right that Duke was never strongly considering him but... He was clearly considering them and mentioned them no more than a week ago in an interview. So his perception at least may be that Duke is off the table even if they were never on the table to begin with.
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Post by practice on May 15, 2017 10:08:11 GMT -5
Western Kentucky has a monster recruiting class with two top 100 guys and I think a bigtime Juco. I think that's the main competition now. UConn can't look too good to Waters .. the coach could be fired with one more bad season. Fingers crossed. This kid would be a tremendous piece of the puzzle for Coach Ewing. The good news is that he's likely a 3 maybe 4 year player ... and it looks to me that 19 is shaping up to be a monster year for the Hoyas.
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Post by HometownHoya on May 15, 2017 10:08:47 GMT -5
Dominoes are falling! Come back Tremont! This had no impact on Waters. Not sure how you can say that, mind sharing why? Duke is clearly the highest profile name on his current list. Them grabbing Duval (and the other 3* PG) means they have no need for Waters. That takes Duke off his list and leaves WKU, UConn, and us as the 3 with the highest chance of landing him.
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