EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on May 13, 2017 18:34:35 GMT -5
" When asked what he wants in a school, he said, “Somewhere where they’ll let me run the show, become a much better person on the court & off the court, market me and let me show the world what I can do and also make my teammates better.”
Are you kidding me? Market me? Please don't tell me he really said this. I got blasted for questioning his approach to his decommitment and if you read between the lines it seems to be more and more about him. Anyway, go ahead, someone bash for for saying this too. Oh yeah, and make my teammates better. Can't forget that.With that attitude, why should we want him?
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emkmd
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Post by emkmd on May 13, 2017 18:38:16 GMT -5
I checked on the duke and western Kentucky boards. There is a tremonts thread on the duke forum with a few posts in which tremont does not seem like a priority. The wku thread had a post that mentioned 20k views I think. Their fans are high on him, but some say they already have a starting pg. there are also mentions of tremonts dad having a lot of baggage with comparisons to ball's dad. Maybe he'll end up like the girl who says no to a bunch of guys that ask her to the prom then ends up with no date. Or he can go to UConn, wish him good luck with that.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 13, 2017 18:54:37 GMT -5
" At the present time, Waters is still looking at plenty of major schools, such as Duke, Kansas, Georgetown (they are still on his potential list of schools), Indiana and local favorite UConn. When asked what he wants in a school, he said, “Somewhere where they’ll let me run the show, become a much better person on the court & off the court, market me and let me show the world what I can do and also make my teammates better.”
Pretty good article on Waters upbringing and what he is looking for. In terms of schools Kansas is out of scholarships and I'm not sure what Indiana 's scholarship situation is exactly. I believe they were 1 scholly over the limit before Blackmon decided he was staying in the draft but not 100% sure. Duke and Uconn situation has been discussed previously on this board. I want Waters, but the "market me" thing is ridiculous. It makes me think that it's his father possibly coming through; I know some have unfavorably compared him to LaVar ball. I mean, the kid is a top 30-40 point guard who is undersized for his position; and while very skilled, nobody has indicated he's the type of game-changing guard who will instantly be on the national radar. You can't market something until you have something to market. The kid hasn't even set foot on campus. If he came to Georgetown, and played like a superstar, I don't think he'd have any problem in that department. But, the onus is on him to do that; not Georgetown or any other school he commits to.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 13, 2017 20:00:48 GMT -5
" At the present time, Waters is still looking at plenty of major schools, such as Duke, Kansas, Georgetown (they are still on his potential list of schools), Indiana and local favorite UConn. When asked what he wants in a school, he said, “Somewhere where they’ll let me run the show, become a much better person on the court & off the court, market me and let me show the world what I can do and also make my teammates better.”
Pretty good article on Waters upbringing and what he is looking for. In terms of schools Kansas is out of scholarships and I'm not sure what Indiana 's scholarship situation is exactly. I believe they were 1 scholly over the limit before Blackmon decided he was staying in the draft but not 100% sure. Duke and Uconn situation has been discussed previously on this board. I want Waters, but the "market me" thing is ridiculous. It makes me think that it's his father possibly coming through; I know some have unfavorably compared him to LaVar ball. I mean, the kid is a top 30-40 point guard who is undersized for his position; and while very skilled, nobody has indicated he's the type of game-changing guard who will instantly be on the national radar. You can't market something until you have something to market. The kid hasn't even set foot on campus. If he came to Georgetown, and played like a superstar, I don't think he'd have any problem in that department. But, the onus is on him to do that; not Georgetown or any other school he commits to. Those of you who are upset about the "market me" phrase are being extremely nieve IMO. Almost every top 50 kid in the country thinks like this to some degree. Every kid that commits to Kentucky, Duke or Kansas, Arizona, UNC etc. has being marketed to the NBA on their mind. You think Jordan Tucker didn't have that on his mind when he abandoned Syracuse and Villanova who's been after him for months when Duke came after him and signed him in 1 week. Waters mistake, if he made one is being too honest and saying that out loud in an interview. I don't find anything wrong with what he said. He also an 18 year old kid and the context of that statement could be easily misinterpreted. I have gone on unofficial visits at high majors when I was coaching high school athletes and each school had a presentation set up where they showed a plan that described how both the school and athlete could be successful including the photo shop of the prospect being on stage at the draft shaking the NBA commissioners hand. I find nothing wrong with what Waters said especially if Georgetown or any other university is going to sell his jersey bobble head and other memorabilia linked to him for the next 20 years if he's super successful while on campus. To me it showed confidence! My advice to you (though it maybe too late) is to watch Alstork on his visit to Illinois via snapchat. There marketing presentation detailed how they would make him one of the best players in the country averaging 20+ PPG, and a 1st round draft pick based on how they would use him within their offense and style play. All that in one season in their system. He's a 5th year transfer, not a top 40 kid with 4 years of eligibility. Waters or any other prospect with legitimate NBA aspirations who thinks like that aren't wrong for it! It's just the way the college game is now for top tier prospects.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on May 13, 2017 20:07:08 GMT -5
Well, he won't be running any show at Duke. At least not any time soon. So which is it? Get better or run the show?
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Post by beenaround on May 13, 2017 20:24:15 GMT -5
I want Waters, but the "market me" thing is ridiculous. It makes me think that it's his father possibly coming through; I know some have unfavorably compared him to LaVar ball. I mean, the kid is a top 30-40 point guard who is undersized for his position; and while very skilled, nobody has indicated he's the type of game-changing guard who will instantly be on the national radar. You can't market something until you have something to market. The kid hasn't even set foot on campus. If he came to Georgetown, and played like a superstar, I don't think he'd have any problem in that department. But, the onus is on him to do that; not Georgetown or any other school he commits to. Those of you who are upset about the "market me" phrase are being extremely nieve IMO. Almost every top 50 kid in the country thinks like this to some degree. Every kid that commits to Kentucky, Duke or Kansas, Arizona, UNC etc. has being marketed to the NBA on their mind. You think Jordan Tucker didn't have that on his mind when he abandoned Syracuse and Villanova who's been after him for months when Duke came after him and signed him in 1 week. Waters mistake, if he made one is being too honest and saying that out loud in an interview. I don't find anything wrong with what he said. He also an 18 year old kid and the context of that statement could be easily misinterpreted. I have gone on unofficial visits at high majors when I was coaching high school athletes and each school had a presentation set up where they showed a plan that described how both the school and athlete could be successful including the photo shop of the prospect being on stage at the draft shaking the NBA commissioners hand. I find nothing wrong with what Waters said especially if Georgetown or any other university is going to sell his jersey bobble head and other memorabilia linked to him for the next 20 years if he's super successful while on campus. To me it showed confidence! My advice to you (though it maybe too late) is to watch Alstork on his visit to Illinois via snapchat. There marketing presentation detailed how they would make him one of the best players in the country averaging 20+ PPG, and a 1st round draft pick based on how they would use him within their offense and style play. All that in one season in their system. He's a 5th year transfer, not a top 40 kid with 4 years of eligibility. Waters or any other prospect with legitimate NBA aspirations who thinks like that aren't wrong for it! It's just the way the college game is now for top tier prospects. Interesting stuff about the "marketing presentation". Thanks
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Post by dreamhoya on May 13, 2017 20:46:22 GMT -5
Those of you who are upset about the "market me" phrase are being extremely nieve IMO. Almost every top 50 kid in the country thinks like this to some degree. Every kid that commits to Kentucky, Duke or Kansas, Arizona, UNC etc. has being marketed to the NBA on their mind. You think Jordan Tucker didn't have that on his mind when he abandoned Syracuse and Villanova who's been after him for months when Duke came after him and signed him in 1 week. Waters mistake, if he made one is being too honest and saying that out loud in an interview. I don't find anything wrong with what he said. He also an 18 year old kid and the context of that statement could be easily misinterpreted. I have gone on unofficial visits at high majors when I was coaching high school athletes and each school had a presentation set up where they showed a plan that described how both the school and athlete could be successful including the photo shop of the prospect being on stage at the draft shaking the NBA commissioners hand. I find nothing wrong with what Waters said especially if Georgetown or any other university is going to sell his jersey bobble head and other memorabilia linked to him for the next 20 years if he's super successful while on campus. To me it showed confidence! My advice to you (though it maybe too late) is to watch Alstork on his visit to Illinois via snapchat. There marketing presentation detailed how they would make him one of the best players in the country averaging 20+ PPG, and a 1st round draft pick based on how they would use him within their offense and style play. All that in one season in their system. He's a 5th year transfer, not a top 40 kid with 4 years of eligibility. Waters or any other prospect with legitimate NBA aspirations who thinks like that aren't wrong for it! It's just the way the college game is now for top tier prospects. Interesting stuff about the "marketing presentation". Thanks it's not just about that. it's a string of things. and in that same article he's listing his accomplishments but.. i don't know just comes off as about him.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on May 13, 2017 20:56:39 GMT -5
I want Waters, but the "market me" thing is ridiculous. It makes me think that it's his father possibly coming through; I know some have unfavorably compared him to LaVar ball. I mean, the kid is a top 30-40 point guard who is undersized for his position; and while very skilled, nobody has indicated he's the type of game-changing guard who will instantly be on the national radar. You can't market something until you have something to market. The kid hasn't even set foot on campus. If he came to Georgetown, and played like a superstar, I don't think he'd have any problem in that department. But, the onus is on him to do that; not Georgetown or any other school he commits to. Those of you who are upset about the "market me" phrase are being extremely nieve IMO. --I'd venture to guess that the people who are put off by the marketing comment (such as myself) have been around the block a few times. It's extremely arrogant to call someone naive based on their opinion. what if he actually meant it litterally "a program that would market me."? -- Waters mistake, if he made one is being too honest and saying that out loud in an interview. I don't find anything wrong with what he said. He also an 18 year old kid and the context of that statement could be easily misinterpreted. -- this was the exact same statement that was made when he announced instagram of all places that he would decommit from GU. I had an issue with that approach and the #itsmylife hashtag thing. he is right. but my point was the attention thing. -- I have gone on unofficial visits at high majors when I was coaching high school athletes and each school had a presentation set up where they showed a plan that described how both the school and athlete could be successful including the photo shop of the prospect being on stage at the draft shaking the NBA commissioners hand. I find nothing wrong with what Waters said especially if Georgetown or any other university is going to sell his jersey bobble head and other memorabilia linked to him for the next 20 years if he's super successful while on campus. To me it showed confidence! My advice to you (though it maybe too late) is to watch Alstork on his visit to Illinois via snapchat. There marketing presentation detailed how they would make him one of the best players in the country averaging 20+ PPG, and a 1st round draft pick based on how they would use him within their offense and style play. All that in one season in their system. He's a 5th year transfer, not a top 40 kid with 4 years of eligibility. --- there you go again assume other posters are dumber than you again. now you know these are two entirely different things. making someone one of the best players in the country isn't marketing him. it's trying to get him to come to the school. oh and i'm not too keen on the snapchat thing either but anyway...--- Waters or any other prospect with legitimate NBA aspirations who thinks like that aren't wrong for it! It's just the way the college game is now for top tier prospects. -- he's good but he ain't AI good. He isn't transcendent.
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Post by tashoya on May 13, 2017 21:12:41 GMT -5
I didn't take Hoyas4Ever's comments as arrogant. The word naïve has a certain connotation (why, I'm not sure) but, I think, he was simply saying that we don't have experience with kids in Tremont's situation and, perhaps, Hoyas4Ever does. I think he was only saying that Tremont's comments are more the norm than the exception (at least in terms of thinking if not in actual words uttered or posted) for kids in his current position. There are many who may not find it palatable but that doesn't make it less true.
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Post by dreamhoya on May 13, 2017 21:17:13 GMT -5
"I just want to go to a TEAM that gets some exposure and where i can help them win a championship."
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Post by dreamhoya on May 13, 2017 21:17:57 GMT -5
I didn't take Hoyas4Ever's comments as arrogant. The word naïve has a certain connotation (why, I'm not sure) but, I think, he was simply saying that we don't have experience with kids in Tremont's situation and, perhaps, Hoyas4Ever does. I think he was only saying that Tremont's comments are more the norm than the exception (at least in terms of thinking if not in actual words uttered or posted) for kids in his current position. There are many who may not find it palatable but that doesn't make it less true. I would feel almost the same if it weren't for the "extremely" part.
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Post by trillesthoya on May 13, 2017 21:25:37 GMT -5
Don't really have an issue with what he said. Think we are overreacting a bit. Still very very high on him. Can't hate the kid for wanting to be the man and being honest about it. I appreciate the straight-talk.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on May 13, 2017 21:29:05 GMT -5
Think we are overreacting a bit. Now THAT sounds like us.
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Post by Filo on May 13, 2017 21:30:00 GMT -5
I can be holier-than-thou with the best of them, but c'mon now. Really? There is a huge problem with this: "When asked what he wants in a school, he said, “Somewhere where they’ll let me run the show, become a much better person on the court & off the court, market me and let me show the world what I can do and also make my teammates better.” Geez. I want a kid who wants to run the show. And a 17 Year-old who wants to be a better person on and off the court, and make his teammates better? Yeah, I will take that. But he wants a program that will market him and let him show the world what he can do? Oh no. That's awful. That is not what high-level college basketball is about. God forbid.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on May 13, 2017 23:32:11 GMT -5
Anybody on this board go to GU thinking it would give you an "in" to law school, government, or Wall St.?
Consider yourself "marketed."
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Post by SSHoya on May 14, 2017 7:14:37 GMT -5
Anybody on this board go to GU thinking it would give you an "in" to law school, government, or Wall St.? Consider yourself "marketed." How does Western Kentucky fit into his list on marketing him? To have WKU on his list doesn't make sense so I can't take his words as seriously as some apparently do. Some are overreacting by parsing his statement word by word with Talmudic intensity.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 14, 2017 7:55:49 GMT -5
Anybody on this board go to GU thinking it would give you an "in" to law school, government, or Wall St.? Consider yourself "marketed." How does Western Kentucky fit into his list on marketing him? To have WKU on his list doesn't make sense so I can't take his words as seriously as some apparently do. Some are overreacting by parsing his statement word by word with Talmudic intensity. Talmudic Intensity is the T-shirt slogan for the Yeshiva University hoops team next season.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 9:55:15 GMT -5
Don't care about the marketing stuff at all but I would pass for other reasons....
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 14, 2017 10:45:29 GMT -5
I agree w yaboy at this point. I think he is a tremendous talent and we would be better day 1 he steps on the court.
That being said I feel like literally we are his last option now if everything else falls through. Someone joked on another thread that BC is Gtowns safety school and I feel like that is exactly how he views us now.
I respect JT3 was his guy, I respect his decision, but I feel like our name is thrown out there by him now as saying "well if all else fails...."
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Post by dchoya72 on May 14, 2017 10:50:08 GMT -5
If he wants to be marketed, he needs to show on the next platform, college, that he is the best, or one of the very best. That he makes his team better and that he has all of the tools and uses them well; he makes his team better. That will take him to the next level. The quality of education at Georgetown University speaks for itself; the quality of life in DC speaks for itself; Patrick Ewing dedication and his knowledge of basketball speaks for itself. The question for both and I have confidence in each, is, can they make the Gtown basketball program a winner, SOON. I believe they can, and WILL!
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