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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 15, 2017 20:28:17 GMT -5
This is EXACTLY why you don't sign an NLI if you're an elite recruit. At least there was a coaching change here that would've justified an NLI release. With this context in mind, what is the benefit for any recruit to sign a NLI prior to enrollment? Is it just that some lower level recruits might think that if they don't they will be recruited over? Because most kids don't have the leverage to expect there to be a scholarship waiting for them on the first day of class.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 17, 2017 14:17:41 GMT -5
I read a piece today called "The Gentrification of College Hoops" at undefeated.com. It features Waters and Gtown figures prominently in the article. There is a picture of a 7 year old Tremont wearing an Iverson jersey. Tremont's father loved Iverson and modeled his son's game after his. He couldn't wait to wear the number 3 Hoya jersey. Damn shame.
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Post by practice on Mar 17, 2017 15:28:52 GMT -5
I read a piece today called "The Gentrification of College Hoops" at undefeated.com. It features Waters and Gtown figures prominently in the article. There is a picture of a 7 year old Tremont wearing an Iverson jersey. Tremont's father loved Iverson and modeled his son's game after his. He couldn't wait to wear the number 3 Hoya jersey. Damn shame. note the website is called theundefeated.com ... good find: theundefeated.com/features/gentrification-of-ncaa-division-1-college-basketball/ and yes, very sad.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 17, 2017 21:53:20 GMT -5
I read a piece today called "The Gentrification of College Hoops" at undefeated.com. It features Waters and Gtown figures prominently in the article. There is a picture of a 7 year old Tremont wearing an Iverson jersey. Tremont's father loved Iverson and modeled his son's game after his. He couldn't wait to wear the number 3 Hoya jersey. Damn shame. Georgetown is still here. The number 3 still exists. Everything he committed to, in fact, is still standing. If he wants to go somewhere else, he can sit out a year.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 17, 2017 23:07:26 GMT -5
I read a piece today called "The Gentrification of College Hoops" at undefeated.com. It features Waters and Gtown figures prominently in the article. There is a picture of a 7 year old Tremont wearing an Iverson jersey. Tremont's father loved Iverson and modeled his son's game after his. He couldn't wait to wear the number 3 Hoya jersey. Damn shame. Georgetown is still here. The number 3 still exists. Everything he committed to, in fact, is still standing. If he wants to go somewhere else, he can sit out a year. I would also inform Tremont that his idol signed on to a 19-12 middle of the pack BE team that had rising senior 2g and rising junior 5. AI turned that team into a elite8 team in 2 years. This year's bunch record wise is worse but we have a rising senior 2g and rising junior 4&5. The similarities are striking. We just need the 5* PG to make this ragtag bunch a elite8 caliber team. I mean hell, Tremont played with all of these cats. He knows that they can play.....ok I'm still in bargaining.....
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 18, 2017 10:21:25 GMT -5
Georgetown is still here. The number 3 still exists. Everything he committed to, in fact, is still standing. If he wants to go somewhere else, he can sit out a year. I would also inform Tremont that his idol signed on to a 19-12 middle of the pack BE team that had rising senior 2g and rising junior 5. AI turned that team into a elite8 team in 2 years. This year's bunch record wise is worse but we have a rising senior 2g and rising junior 4&5. The similarities are striking. We just need the 5* PG to make this ragtag bunch a elite8 caliber team. I mean hell, Tremont played with all of these cats. He knows that they can play.....ok I'm still in bargaining..... Perhaps I'm in the bargaining phase as well, but I do wonder if we could still be in the running. I'll totally admit that it's a long shot, but this type of thing does happen in football from time to time. I've seen kids commit to Alabama, then pull back, and then recommit. More often, they are affirmatively looking for something else by the time they go public. But I would hope that JTIII is pulling out all the stops to re-sell the kid on our program. Maybe we have to let him go, but we certainly shouldn't let him go without a fight. Particularly given his interest in the program's history, etc.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2017 9:24:20 GMT -5
Syracuse got a commitment from a 2017 PG late last week. Could take them out for Waters - or maybe indicates that he has told schools he is reconsidering us?? (yeah I know, wishful thinking).
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 20, 2017 9:31:52 GMT -5
My pitch from JTIII to him is: "You are going to have the reigns from day one. We didn't scrap our O last year as we had a PG who couldn't shoot. We have the conferences top 2 guard coming back (PEAK PLEASE), we have a shooting 5 coming back (GOVAN PLEASE), a shooting 4 coming back (MD PLEASE) and athletic wings who can guard". If you watch Duke & Kentucky who presumably would be possible fits for him, they are always overrecruiting and if you don't cut it in year one, you are riding pine or transferring. Just ask Derryck Thornton, Ryan Harrow, Charles Matthews, or Marcus Lee.
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Post by TC on Mar 20, 2017 9:35:29 GMT -5
Syracuse got a commitment from a 2017 PG late last week. Could take them out for Waters - or maybe indicates that he has told schools he is reconsidering us?? (yeah I know, wishful thinking). Why is anyone talking about Syracuse at all? That wasn't one of the hats on the table (Kentucky, Indiana, Kansas, UCONN, Yale).
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 20, 2017 9:40:57 GMT -5
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 20, 2017 9:45:43 GMT -5
UConn is in a terrible position, IU is looking for a new coach although if they get Alford they'll try to pull Wilkes back in-state and be able to promise Romelo as a possible 2 the following year. Yale situation hasn't changed so to me the question is one of hoops only (Kentucky or Kansas as better options) or hoops with a sprinkle academics in which we might have a shot.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 20, 2017 12:39:21 GMT -5
UConn is in a terrible position, IU is looking for a new coach although if they get Alford they'll try to pull Wilkes back in-state and be able to promise Romelo as a possible 2 the following year. Yale situation hasn't changed so to me the question is one of hoops only (Kentucky or Kansas as better options) or hoops with a sprinkle academics in which we might have a shot. Not sure Kentucky's a realistic option at this point. They already have Quade Green as a dimunitive PG coming in and a huge class that Waters would have a hard time fitting into, IMO: "Kentucky already has a loaded class including guards Quade Green and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander along with bigs Nick Richards and P.J. Washington and small forward Jarred Vanderbilt." www.zagsblog.com/2017/03/16/hamidou-diallo-quade-green-recruiting-mohamed-bamba-kentucky/Kansas makes a lot of sense, particularly since Trae Young chose Oklahoma. Waters could slot easily into the Frank Mason role. Self is probably the best in the business at spring recruiting, Waters would fit right into that model. Duke obviously makes sense as well, depending on how the Trevon Duval recruitment plays out.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 20, 2017 12:39:28 GMT -5
IMO, the time to save the commitment was before not after the decommit. I suppose it's possible that Tremont did not let us in on his intentions in advance, but I doubt it. Does any young man--especially a smart one--want to be seen as sufficiently undecided that he would commit, decommit, and than commit again? I know it's happened on rare occasions, but I'm not seeing it here.
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 20, 2017 15:24:03 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2017 18:49:11 GMT -5
I can't imagine that we would actually refuse to release him; maybe we just want to delay a little to see how our HC situation develops, and whether the end result might keep him a Hoya??
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Post by vv83 on Mar 20, 2017 19:44:43 GMT -5
I can't imagine that we would actually refuse to release him; maybe we just want to delay a little to see how our HC situation develops, and whether the end result might keep him a Hoya?? Casual Hoya tweeted something today intimating that this scenario may be a possibility. He did not refer directly to the coaching decision. He talked more generally about possible changes in the program being in play. It is kind of odd that there has been no update from Waters on how his plans are evolving in over a week since his initial announcement backing off the Georgetown commitment.
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Post by wnyhoya on Mar 20, 2017 20:17:49 GMT -5
Find it very odd that Waters has not said anything more since letting his intentions be known that he wants out from the LOI. I also think that if we were stalling for no good reason that Waters and his family would say something to the public about it. Since this is not the case I see it as something is happening...whether it be a coaching change or something else I can't think of that we are letting play out and Tremont must know about it and be curious enough to see how it plays out since he hasn't said anything more
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Post by b52legend on Mar 20, 2017 20:45:52 GMT -5
Late getting into all this, but is Waters the real deal or just our great hope? I see talk of him leading us to the Elite 8. Is he really that type of player? Just looking at the rankings, he looks solid (4 star guy), but not the type of guy that is going to put the program on his back and single handedly save JT3s job.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 20, 2017 21:06:22 GMT -5
Haven't tracked the whole thread, but people ought to remember that his "de-comittment" came within days of a shocking loss in the early rounds of the state tournament in CT and soon after our distressing loss in the BET. There is at least chance that this kid got wrapped up in the emotions of the moment but that, on further reflection, he will have a change of attitude.
As for whether he is a "straight to the elite 8" type of guy, the potential is there but his game has a high risk/high reward element to it and he can slip into TO mode. Overall, if any one 5'9" kid can turn Big Man U around, certainly he is a prime candidate.
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Post by Filo on Mar 20, 2017 21:07:09 GMT -5
Late getting into all this, but is Waters the real deal or just our great hope? I see talk of him leading us to the Elite 8. Is he really that type of player? Just looking at the rankings, he looks solid (4 star guy), but not the type of guy that is going to put the program on his back and single handedly save JT3s job. From what I have seen and read, he is the real deal. But he can't do it alone, and his high school championship games showed how to play him. Double him and make someone else beat you. If he had stayed and Peak was around, that would have been a deadly combination.
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