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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 20, 2017 22:04:44 GMT -5
Late getting into all this, but is Waters the real deal or just our great hope? I see talk of him leading us to the Elite 8. Is he really that type of player? Just looking at the rankings, he looks solid (4 star guy), but not the type of guy that is going to put the program on his back and single handedly save JT3s job. He's not a program savior. People are hyping him because 1) he's good and in a position of need, but 2) he's our highest ranked recruit recently, and we need something to believe in. Again, good player, but he's the kind of kid that elite programs get three of each year, and those kids together aren't always carrying teams to Elite 8's. Just for context, he's not as good as Collin Sexton, Quade Green, or Trevon Duval, and that's just a quick look at the PG position. Sexton and John Petty together probably won't take Alabama to the Elite 8, and they're both higher ranked than Tremont.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 20, 2017 23:00:42 GMT -5
Late getting into all this, but is Waters the real deal or just our great hope? I see talk of him leading us to the Elite 8. Is he really that type of player? Just looking at the rankings, he looks solid (4 star guy), but not the type of guy that is going to put the program on his back and single handedly save JT3s job. He's not a program savior. People are hyping him because 1) he's good and in a position of need, but 2) he's our highest ranked recruit recently, and we need something to believe in. Again, good player, but he's the kind of kid that elite programs get three of each year, and those kids together aren't always carrying teams to Elite 8's. Just for context, he's not as good as Collin Sexton, Quade Green, or Trevon Duval, and that's just a quick look at the PG position. Sexton and John Petty together probably won't take Alabama to the Elite 8, and they're both higher ranked than Tremont. I also think he's exciting because we supposedly run a "read react" offense built around guys who can handle or shoot in multiple positions.... with players that have not been particularly good at reading or reacting, and who are spotty shooters at best. So, at least this kid is someone who seems to be able to read and react well, passes well, and can shoot lights out. Finally, somebody who fits the supposed mold. In addition, he seems to have a drive to win, also something we need more of. That's why he's such a big loss, in my mind, not because he's a Jordan-esque savior type of player. He is more of a "oh look, they're finally trying to get kids who can do what they want" player, and that's been sorely missing.
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Post by s4hoyas on Mar 20, 2017 23:33:02 GMT -5
Just as importantly, or possibly even more so, he is likely at least a 3 yr player, maybe even 4...whereas Sexton and Duval are likely one and done... not only is he very skilled, he will make others around him better because he'll get them the ball when and where they want it...recruits will want to play with him, and the continuity is a major plus...not a savior, but a vital part of a very positive course change.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 21, 2017 6:14:57 GMT -5
Late getting into all this, but is Waters the real deal or just our great hope? I see talk of him leading us to the Elite 8. Is he really that type of player? Just looking at the rankings, he looks solid (4 star guy), but not the type of guy that is going to put the program on his back and single handedly save JT3s job. I think he is a program savior from day1 if Peak comes back. It'll take 2or3 years if Peak goes pro. We have better pieces than Bama with a true PG. MD and Jesse are legit offensive weapons with Tremont. Kaleb, Agua and Twan get cleaner looks with Tremont running the show. It really makes a difference when the majority of your shots are tightly contested....IMO
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 21, 2017 6:20:54 GMT -5
My hope is that there hasn't been any news on an official release because we're stalling to get him to meet with a new coach. Given that this was a signed LOI and not just a verbal commitment, I think making his release conditional on meeting with a new coach would be fair and reasonable. We don't want him at Georgetown if that's not where he wants to be, but given that he did sign with us, I think it's reasonable to all to have him meet with whomever is our coach next year. If he doesn't buy into the vision--fine, call Coach K or whomever else. But just maybe he'd remember all the things he liked about Georgetown to begin with, believe in the new vision, and give it a chance. It always seemd like Tremont was committing more to Georgetown than to JTIII and the staff, since he and his dad grew up as big fans of Iverson and the school, and so maybe if he's convinced that all the things he liked about the school are still there (the quality education, the basketball tradition, the practice facility etc.) and that the things that concerned him most recently are on the road to being remedied (style of play, losing culture, perceived instability), maybe we could turn it around.
I think it's a definite long shot, to say the least. And every day that our coaching situation remains unresolved probably hurts even more. But perhaps there is the tiniest sliver of hope still.
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Post by Filo on Mar 21, 2017 7:33:20 GMT -5
Late getting into all this, but is Waters the real deal or just our great hope? I see talk of him leading us to the Elite 8. Is he really that type of player? Just looking at the rankings, he looks solid (4 star guy), but not the type of guy that is going to put the program on his back and single handedly save JT3s job. He's not a program savior. People are hyping him because 1) he's good and in a position of need, but 2) he's our highest ranked recruit recently, and we need something to believe in. Again, good player, but he's the kind of kid that elite programs get three of each year, and those kids together aren't always carrying teams to Elite 8's. Just for context, he's not as good as Collin Sexton, Quade Green, or Trevon Duval, and that's just a quick look at the PG position. Sexton and John Petty together probably won't take Alabama to the Elite 8, and they're both higher ranked than Tremont. Do you say he is not as good as the other guys based on what you have seen from them all? Or is that based on rankings and what you hear? Reason I ask is because I haven't been overly impressed with Green, but i am certainly not a recruiting guru. I mean, he is obviously a very good player, but I think the Kentucky hype helps. He didn't even win PCL MVP -- that went to Gillespie, who is going to Nova, and Gillespie's team took the PCL championship.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 21, 2017 9:28:14 GMT -5
Late getting into all this, but is Waters the real deal or just our great hope? I see talk of him leading us to the Elite 8. Is he really that type of player? Just looking at the rankings, he looks solid (4 star guy), but not the type of guy that is going to put the program on his back and single handedly save JT3s job. I think he is a program savior from day1 if Peak comes back. It'll take 2or3 years if Peak goes pro. We have better pieces than Bama with a true PG. MD and Jesse are legit offensive weapons with Tremont. Kaleb, Agua and Twan get cleaner looks with Tremont running the show. It really makes a difference when the majority of your shots are tightly contested....IMO I believe what you are referring to is the "John Wall Effect." Just take a peak at what happens to the three point percentage of just about every wing who suits up for the Wizards.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 21, 2017 10:31:10 GMT -5
I think he is a program savior from day1 if Peak comes back. It'll take 2or3 years if Peak goes pro. We have better pieces than Bama with a true PG. MD and Jesse are legit offensive weapons with Tremont. Kaleb, Agua and Twan get cleaner looks with Tremont running the show. It really makes a difference when the majority of your shots are tightly contested....IMO I believe what you are referring to is the "John Wall Effect." Just take a peak at what happens to the three point percentage of just about every wing who suits up for the Wizards. Exactly. Beal, Otto, Twin...they're all good to great but without John the Wiz are fighting with Detroit for a 8 seed....
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 21, 2017 10:37:11 GMT -5
I believe what you are referring to is the "John Wall Effect." Just take a peak at what happens to the three point percentage of just about every wing who suits up for the Wizards. Exactly. Beal, Otto, Twin...they're all good to great but without John the Wiz are fighting with Detroit for a 8 seed.... And looking back at past seasons: Dudley, Rasual Butler, Pierce, Ariza, Webster, Martin, Swaggy P. They all saw their percentages spike with Wall setting them up with uncontested threes.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 21, 2017 21:31:24 GMT -5
He's not a program savior. People are hyping him because 1) he's good and in a position of need, but 2) he's our highest ranked recruit recently, and we need something to believe in. Again, good player, but he's the kind of kid that elite programs get three of each year, and those kids together aren't always carrying teams to Elite 8's. Just for context, he's not as good as Collin Sexton, Quade Green, or Trevon Duval, and that's just a quick look at the PG position. Sexton and John Petty together probably won't take Alabama to the Elite 8, and they're both higher ranked than Tremont. Do you say he is not as good as the other guys based on what you have seen from them all? Or is that based on rankings and what you hear? Reason I ask is because I haven't been overly impressed with Green, but i am certainly not a recruiting guru. I mean, he is obviously a very good player, but I think the Kentucky hype helps. He didn't even win PCL MVP -- that went to Gillespie, who is going to Nova, and Gillespie's team took the PCL championship. I've seen all of them. We're lucky Green didn't go to Cuse. I've also seen Gillespie, who's a fine player, but he's not going to do much at Nova. Yes they won the PCL, but they also came to DC and got SMOKED by Gonzaga, and also lost to Sidwell, who didn't even have a full roster.
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Post by centercourt400s on Mar 23, 2017 15:15:55 GMT -5
I sure hope Georgetown hangs on to his commitment until a new coach is hired and has a chance to talk to Tremont.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2017 15:18:32 GMT -5
I sure hope Georgetown hangs on to his commitment until a new coach is hired and has a chance to talk to Tremont. Tough call. A thorough coaching search should take at least 10-14 days; hard to leave the kid twisting in the wind that long.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 23, 2017 15:31:06 GMT -5
I sure hope Georgetown hangs on to his commitment until a new coach is hired and has a chance to talk to Tremont. Tough call. A thorough coaching search should take at least 10-14 days; hard to leave the kid twisting in the wind that long. I hope the school does reach out to him and tell him they will absolutely give him his release if he will at least give the new coach a chance to speak to him before they give the official release. If he is not sold on the new coach, then he is free to go wherever he wants. It is not like the kid can't talk to other schools in the time it takes Georgetown to find a new coach and if he finds somewhere he really wants to go he just waits a few weeks to make it official.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2017 15:34:37 GMT -5
I don't know that he can talk to other schools if we have not released him from his LOI. I do like the idea of releasing him if he will be open to meeting with our new coach, although obviously that would not be binding on him.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 23, 2017 15:42:11 GMT -5
I don't know that he can talk to other schools if we have not released him from his LOI. I do like the idea of releasing him if he will be open to meeting with our new coach, although obviously that would not be binding on him. I don't know what the rules are about someone who signed a LOI talking to other schools, but it sounds like other schools have weighed in on wanting to be involved with him now that he said he is de-committing. Not sure if all that talk is back channel stuff or not. I would imagine he would not be allowed to go on any "official" visits at this point, but if he has interest in a school I am sure there are ways he can let that school's staff know he is interested.
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Post by centercourt400s on Mar 23, 2017 15:51:14 GMT -5
I sure hope Georgetown hangs on to his commitment until a new coach is hired and has a chance to talk to Tremont. Tough call. A thorough coaching search should take at least 10-14 days; hard to leave the kid twisting in the wind that long. A couple of weeks isn't going to hurt his chances elsewhere. I'm sure he liked more about Georgetown than just the Thompsons. It would be in his best interest as well to make a final decision after a new head coach is hired. It wouldn't be a bad thing to be a talented floor leader in the vanguard of a new Hoyas era with a new coach he could be excited about.
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Post by deacon on Mar 23, 2017 16:26:12 GMT -5
He was named to the U.S. roster for the Capital Classic today so he'll be in town in early April.
Hopefully we'll have a coach in place by then and he/she can pitch him on staying in the fold.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 31, 2017 11:15:17 GMT -5
Tremont has been awfully quiet. Is this good or bad?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 31, 2017 11:19:14 GMT -5
Tremont has been awfully quiet. Is this good or bad? It has to be good. I think it means he will wait to see who we hire.
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Post by wnyhoya on Mar 31, 2017 17:45:26 GMT -5
Tremont has been awfully quiet. Is this good or bad? Definitely has to be good. Why else would he not have demanded his release and started looking at other schools? He's waiting to see who the hire is and personally I believe the longer this drags out (and assuming the new coach is someone noteworthy) I'd say it's more likely he stays with us due to other big programs already being full
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