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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 13, 2017 23:15:17 GMT -5
I'd call Tremont's dad and say who do you want us to hire and we'll build it around your son. What? He's good, he's not that good. We shouldn't do that for a LeBron level talent, even. No kid is good enough to hold a whole program hostage.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 13, 2017 23:19:03 GMT -5
I'd call Tremont's dad and say who do you want us to hire and we'll build it around your son. What? He's good, he's not that good. We shouldn't do that for a LeBron level talent, even. No kid is good enough to hold a whole program hostage. Then we'll stay with this? Guess what POD it wouldn't be that hard to steer them to the obvious choices that we should be making that would emphasize good guard play that we have been neglecting. The choices that would actually make us run a successful offensive system. It would just make them feel special and a part of the process that should already be happening. Get us on the right foot and give a new coach a chance at some success early. Just like Esh left III with.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 13, 2017 23:50:38 GMT -5
This is easily rectified by the staff and athletic department. You want your release from your NLI, no BIG EAST schools, no future known Out of Conference opponents meaning no Villanova no Syracuse. You can't have Tremont come into the VC next year or the year after wearing a prison orange uniform and possibly light the Hoyas up. Also that type of release from an NLI is pretty common in all levels of college basketball. To not hold that stipulation over Waters would be incompetence and borderline malpractice.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 14, 2017 0:11:29 GMT -5
What? He's good, he's not that good. We shouldn't do that for a LeBron level talent, even. No kid is good enough to hold a whole program hostage. Then we'll stay with this? Guess what POD it wouldn't be that hard to steer them to the obvious choices that we should be making that would emphasize good guard play that we have been neglecting. The choices that would actually make us run a successful offensive system. It would just make them feel special and a part of the process that should already be happening. Get us on the right foot and give a new coach a chance at some success early. Just like Esh left III with. I didn't say that JTIII should stay, but Tremont Waters should have no say in our next coach. He's a good player. Elite programs recruit three of those kids a year.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 14, 2017 0:18:40 GMT -5
Then we'll stay with this? Guess what POD it wouldn't be that hard to steer them to the obvious choices that we should be making that would emphasize good guard play that we have been neglecting. The choices that would actually make us run a successful offensive system. It would just make them feel special and a part of the process that should already be happening. Get us on the right foot and give a new coach a chance at some success early. Just like Esh left III with. I didn't say that JTIII should stay, but Tremont Waters should have no say in our next coach. He's a good player. Elite programs recruit three of those kids a year. Maybe you haven't noticed but I wouldn't quite classify this program as elite at this point. I'm thinking outside the box to keep a kid who could help and attract a new coach. Let's take baby steps before we talk about elite programs and ours in the same same sentence. That said we are ripe for the right coach to come in and take this back to an elite program. There's no one on this planet or board that can tell me we shouldn't own this entire conference including Nova with the right coach, too much to offer. So tired of the excuses from the protectionists on this board to tell us why we can't be great and they are getting their wish each year as we allow this to happen to this program.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2017 0:27:41 GMT -5
So tired of the excuses from the protectionists on this board to tell us why we can't be great and they are getting their wish each year as we allow this to happen to this program. I definitely agree with you our program can be a great one. My concern right now is, whether there's a coaching change or not, there's going to be a rough go of it.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 14, 2017 0:38:50 GMT -5
So tired of the excuses from the protectionists on this board to tell us why we can't be great and they are getting their wish each year as we allow this to happen to this program. I definitely agree with you our program can be a great one. My concern right now is, whether there's a coaching change or not, there's going to be a rough go of it. And what we have been through has been something less than rough? We've been subjected to this for close to a decade. An ounce of hope would help get people out of the current thought process and moving us in a new direction. I can't believe college coaches don't look at this as a huge destination as so many portray. Look, this program doesn't have the demands of the Kentucky, UNC, Duke jobs in terms of expectations but it still has some expectations. But where else can you come to make the money or close to it of those programs and have the reduced expectations and job security with a far superior brand and school to your entire conference. Jay Wright figured that out and it's why he's never left for the better jobs he's been offered. It's not that hard for a program like this to expect to make the tournament most or all years and make a run once in a while. That's all that is being asked. We have more to offer than this entire BE conference yet we sit at the bottom. Apologize for that all you want but that's a fact and one I will believe in. Look at the garbage in this year's tournament yet we can't even make a secondary tournament for the second year in a row.
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 14, 2017 0:54:43 GMT -5
Look eagle54, I simply cannot reconcile the lack of credit you gave JTIII's recruitment of Waters with your sudden desire to keep him, even at the cost of Tremont Waters' Dad picking the next Hoya Head Coach. From what I know Tremont and/or his Dad backed away from this program because of this coach and what they just watched as we all did. The message board theory is such garbage it's hard to believe someone with any form of intellect would try to pass off. The reverse effect theory? I'm just theorizing the school could have a good opportunity to include his father in the search we already need to do to get us on the right path. This kid is leaving because of the state of the program and that's due to it's pitiful and embarrassing performance. The media and fanbase reaction are a just a result of that. Let's stop trying to reverse the narrative which makes those that do sound really stupid. Right, don't want to sound stupid, check! That said, if disagreeing with you causes me to potentially sound stupid, I'm willing to take the risk.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 14, 2017 1:02:48 GMT -5
From what I know Tremont and/or his Dad backed away from this program because of this coach and what they just watched as we all did. The message board theory is such garbage it's hard to believe someone with any form of intellect would try to pass off. The reverse effect theory? I'm just theorizing the school could have a good opportunity to include his father in the search we already need to do to get us on the right path. This kid is leaving because of the state of the program and that's due to it's pitiful and embarrassing performance. The media and fanbase reaction are a just a result of that. Let's stop trying to reverse the narrative which makes those that do sound really stupid. Right, don't want to sound stupid, check! That said, if disagreeing with you causes me to potentially sound stupid, I'm willing to take the risk. If you are reversing the narrative then you know what you are doing. Let's recap the position for 2016-17: 1. Message boards were upset and said fire III. 2. Media picks up on message boards and starts running stories. 3. School sh!^'s bed another year because of all the turmoil. 4. Savior recruit leaves over message boards. All with the backdrop that this program hasn't won a meaningful game in a decade now. Happy anniversary Hoya fans. Is that right and how we should understand it?
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 14, 2017 3:42:54 GMT -5
What? He's good, he's not that good. We shouldn't do that for a LeBron level talent, even. No kid is good enough to hold a whole program hostage. Then we'll stay with this? Guess what POD it wouldn't be that hard to steer them to the obvious choices that we should be making that would emphasize good guard play that we have been neglecting. The choices that would actually make us run a successful offensive system. It would just make them feel special and a part of the process that should already be happening. Get us on the right foot and give a new coach a chance at some success early. Just like Esh left III with. Maybe we should contact Lonzo Ball's father and give some kinda authority, which in return, he will bring all of his sons into our program XD
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 14, 2017 7:20:19 GMT -5
I'd call Tremont's dad and say who do you want us to hire and we'll build it around your son. What? He's good, he's not that good. We shouldn't do that for a LeBron level talent, even. No kid is good enough to hold a whole program hostage. We MUST not do anything of the sort EVER, not even for the entire Dream Team. And that is exactly what I am talking about when I say that it takes a unique person to coach at GU- someone who has no tolerance for anything within 100 yards of that line.
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Post by TC on Mar 14, 2017 8:43:54 GMT -5
"Academics is important" is always just lip service. Most kids will commit to a place like Alabama and say "the academics are great too." Without giving my opinion, I presented the Waters situation to entirely different college message board, unaffiliated with Georgetown or any of our rivals, and not one person thought Waters should be released from his NLI absent a coaching change. If he wants to break his NLI, he has to sit a year like anyone else. That was the unanimous opinion, and one I agree with. POD I agree that the "Academics is important" comment is absolutely lip service. You see kids and parents say that with Ivy League and Stanford offers and end up at Florida State or Kentucky. In terms of not being let out of the NLI unless there's a coaching change, I'm assuming until we here differently that there has been a coaching change. It's the only thing that makes sense. Any kid that originally spurns the SEC and ACC for Georgetown saying "academics is important" is not just paying lip service.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 14, 2017 10:11:03 GMT -5
POD I agree that the "Academics is important" comment is absolutely lip service. You see kids and parents say that with Ivy League and Stanford offers and end up at Florida State or Kentucky. In terms of not being let out of the NLI unless there's a coaching change, I'm assuming until we here differently that there has been a coaching change. It's the only thing that makes sense. Any kid that originally spurns the SEC and ACC for Georgetown saying "academics is important" is not just paying lip service. My comment was about recruits spurning high academic options for the party schools or basketball 1 & done factories where you don't have to go to class and focus on academics, were in general and not specifically about Waters. "Academics are important" has become a very cliche statements for a lot of high major recruits going through process of choosing a school. You see many high major kids and parents state that academics are important aspect of their decision but I don't see many choosing the Ivy's. Granted there are a few and I respect those few like Kodye Pugh a high level 4 star recruit who choose Stanford over other High Major basketball programs and other high academic institutions like Georgetown and stuck with Stanford who hasn't been successful or made the NCAA tournament in a while. Not only did he choose Stanford but he stuck with them throughout a coaching change and then allowed that new coach to red shirt him. If Georgetown's academics were a major part of Waters decision, I think he would've waited for the smoke to clear before he made the decision to clear out. But hey we could use Waters as the most current litmus test. If he ends up at Kansas or Syracuse, that will speak volumes.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 14, 2017 16:23:12 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been posted, from Rivals, seems like rumors have been circulating for months that Tremont may have wanted out: All winter long, rumors have swirled that 2017's No. 36 ranked player Tremont Waters commitment to Georgetown was shaky. In January, Rivals.com asked Waters about the rumors after he played in the Hoophall Classic. When asked if there was any truth to the rumors about him possibly backing out on Georgetown, Waters simply walked away.
Maybe there wasn't anything to them then, maybe he was just caught off guard. But, there is definitely some heat now. Over the weekend, Waters father confirmed to Adam Finkelstein of ESPN that his son has asked for a release from the Letter of Intent he signed with the Hoyas in November. Georgetown hasn't yet made a decision and losing their point guard of the future would be a crushing blow to a program that is currently struggling. But, they likely have no choice here. As much as it hurts to let Waters go, refusing his release would only make things worse down the road. With Trevon Duval left as the only bigtime point guard prospect on the market, an available Waters would lead to a feeding frenzy. Prior to picking Georgetown Waters also took official visits to Kansas, Kentucky and Indiana. He would have one more visit remaining and Kansas and Indiana are both still looking for a point guard and could look to jump back in. Other names rumored throughout the winter to have interest should Waters get a release include Arizona, Duke and Syracuse. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/starting-five-illinois-opening-is-the-best-on-the-board
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Post by zxhoya on Mar 14, 2017 16:29:49 GMT -5
Just sad.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2017 16:37:18 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been posted, from Rivals, seems like rumors have been circulating for months that Tremont may have wanted out: All winter long, rumors have swirled that 2017's No. 36 ranked player Tremont Waters commitment to Georgetown was shaky. In January, Rivals.com asked Waters about the rumors after he played in the Hoophall Classic. When asked if there was any truth to the rumors about him possibly backing out on Georgetown, Waters simply walked away.
Maybe there wasn't anything to them then, maybe he was just caught off guard. But, there is definitely some heat now. Over the weekend, Waters father confirmed to Adam Finkelstein of ESPN that his son has asked for a release from the Letter of Intent he signed with the Hoyas in November. Georgetown hasn't yet made a decision and losing their point guard of the future would be a crushing blow to a program that is currently struggling. But, they likely have no choice here. As much as it hurts to let Waters go, refusing his release would only make things worse down the road. With Trevon Duval left as the only bigtime point guard prospect on the market, an available Waters would lead to a feeding frenzy. Prior to picking Georgetown Waters also took official visits to Kansas, Kentucky and Indiana. He would have one more visit remaining and Kansas and Indiana are both still looking for a point guard and could look to jump back in. Other names rumored throughout the winter to have interest should Waters get a release include Arizona, Duke and Syracuse. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/starting-five-illinois-opening-is-the-best-on-the-boardDon't release him until we have a new coach in April. He can wait til then, let the Waters family talk it over with the new coach, and then let the chips fall where they may...
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 14, 2017 17:26:37 GMT -5
Ideally that would be best case scenario. I say, Waters name along with GU will come up sometime close to April 9
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Post by s4hoyas on Mar 14, 2017 19:02:58 GMT -5
Why do you think Waters name along with GU will come up sometime close to April 9 ?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 15, 2017 19:11:05 GMT -5
This is EXACTLY why you don't sign an NLI if you're an elite recruit. At least there was a coaching change here that would've justified an NLI release.
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 15, 2017 19:23:49 GMT -5
This is EXACTLY why you don't sign an NLI if you're an elite recruit. At least there was a coaching change here that would've justified an NLI release. With this context in mind, what is the benefit for any recruit to sign a NLI prior to enrollment? Is it just that some lower level recruits might think that if they don't they will be recruited over?
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