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Post by practice on Mar 13, 2017 13:01:17 GMT -5
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TC
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Post by TC on Mar 13, 2017 13:11:09 GMT -5
I kinda laugh every time I hear someone blame the vociferous media, chatrooms, or student body for why Tremont decommitted. When tremont committed, he was under the impression that we had a deep team that was top 25 caliber and that was going to make the tourney this year. At least that's what the staff was saying going into the season. He thought he would have some nice pieces around him which included a rising Isaac Copeland and Paul White. Paul transferred in mid-August. Tremont committed in October. Isaac stunk. If you want to make the argument that it's the state of the program, it's probably hypothetical future transfers that affected Waters' decision. I also don't understand the argument being put out here : Whoever attempts this, it's going to be a complete rebuild, and it's going to have to start with the kind of 5+ freshman class that sparks rebuilds. There's not enough time or targets to put that together for 2017-2018, so why would Tremont recommit even under another coach? Whatever it is, Casual Hoya ain't helping - they're actively working against the program working right now.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 13, 2017 13:16:08 GMT -5
Though not unprecedented, I would be absolutely shocked if Tremont Waters ever wears a Georgetown uniform regardless of the identity of the coach.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 13, 2017 13:23:13 GMT -5
Best of luck to Tremont. Academics has always been a priority for him but so has basketball. Unfortunately, we can only raise the bar for one of his priorities. Hopefully whoever is in charge stays in touch with the young man. It's never over until he's signed.
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gunny
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Post by gunny on Mar 13, 2017 13:56:19 GMT -5
I think in a couple weeks after all the dust has settled, we will be able to examine Tremont's decommit from a more sensible approach. Not until everything has been disclosed as far as roster transfers/composition and coaching stability will one be able to see what he saw.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Mar 13, 2017 13:57:10 GMT -5
What are the odds this young man will be a Hoya next season? No point in continuing to ask this question Enj, right now he's signed.. If it helps, he was quoted less than a week ago saying he wanted to bring back the flash & excitement of the AI years and that he's in constant contact with the staff.. Too bad I had a point asking the question each time. Sad place this program is in.
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 13, 2017 14:01:58 GMT -5
I kinda laugh every time I hear someone blame the vociferous media, chatrooms, or student body for why Tremont decommitted. When tremont committed, he was under the impression that we had a deep team that was top 25 caliber and that was going to make the tourney this year. At least that's what the staff was saying going into the season. He thought he would have some nice pieces around him which included a rising Isaac Copeland and Paul White. Believe me, with or without the media circus, Tremont would have noticed the train wreck of a season we had, the losing streaks, the end of game collapses, the mass transfers, and the player comments, the Tyler Crawford incident, etc, etc... He would have been jumping into a dumpster fire and he knew it. With or without the "fire Thompson" chants...he would have come to the same conclusion and it's silly to blame him nor anyone outside the program for that. What happened?
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 13, 2017 14:10:09 GMT -5
No point in continuing to ask this question Enj, right now he's signed.. If it helps, he was quoted less than a week ago saying he wanted to bring back the flash & excitement of the AI years and that he's in constant contact with the staff.. Too bad I had a point asking the question each time. Sad place this program is in. I definitely knew what you were getting at.. Sad times indeed!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 13, 2017 14:34:23 GMT -5
I think in a couple weeks after all the dust has settled, we will be able to examine Tremont's decommit from a more sensible approach. Not until everything has been disclosed as far as roster transfers/composition and coaching stability will one be able to see what he saw. Your lack of overreaction has no place here.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 13, 2017 16:21:30 GMT -5
I kinda laugh every time I hear someone blame the vociferous media, chatrooms, or student body for why Tremont decommitted. When tremont committed, he was under the impression that we had a deep team that was top 25 caliber and that was going to make the tourney this year. At least that's what the staff was saying going into the season. He thought he would have some nice pieces around him which included a rising Isaac Copeland and Paul White. Believe me, with or without the media circus, Tremont would have noticed the train wreck of a season we had, the losing streaks, the end of game collapses, the mass transfers, and the player comments, the Tyler Crawford incident, etc, etc... He would have been jumping into a dumpster fire and he knew it. With or without the "fire Thompson" chants...he would have come to the same conclusion and it's silly to blame him nor anyone outside the program for that. B&G we really weren't that far from being in the top half of the conference. We lost what 3 games by more than 5pts? It's like all he saw was the record and bounced. That would make since if he didn't have the ability to talk to the staff. Maybe I'm naive but I can see and huge difference in our season with a true PG.....I'm still in the bargaining stage....
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Post by prhoya on Mar 13, 2017 17:03:26 GMT -5
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 13, 2017 21:45:45 GMT -5
Best of luck to Tremont. Academics has always been a priority for him but so has basketball. Unfortunately, we can only raise the bar for one of his priorities. Hopefully whoever is in charge stays in touch with the young man. It's never over until he's signed. "Academics is important" is always just lip service. Most kids will commit to a place like Alabama and say "the academics are great too." Without giving my opinion, I presented the Waters situation to entirely different college message board, unaffiliated with Georgetown or any of our rivals, and not one person thought Waters should be released from his NLI absent a coaching change. If he wants to break his NLI, he has to sit a year like anyone else. That was the unanimous opinion, and one I agree with.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 13, 2017 21:50:11 GMT -5
I'd call Tremont's dad and say who do you want us to hire and we'll build it around your son.
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 13, 2017 21:56:35 GMT -5
I'd call Tremont's dad and say who do you want us to hire and we'll build it around your son. It is hard to reconcile this post with your, um, "position", on JTIII prior to Waters de-committing.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 13, 2017 21:58:34 GMT -5
I'd call Tremont's dad and say who do you want us to hire and we'll build it around your son. It is hard to reconcile this post with your, um, "position", on JTIII prior to Waters de-committing. How's that, I know his answer wouldn't be III as that is fairly clear.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 13, 2017 22:02:55 GMT -5
Best of luck to Tremont. Academics has always been a priority for him but so has basketball. Unfortunately, we can only raise the bar for one of his priorities. Hopefully whoever is in charge stays in touch with the young man. It's never over until he's signed. "Academics is important" is always just lip service. Most kids will commit to a place like Alabama and say "the academics are great too." Without giving my opinion, I presented the Waters situation to entirely different college message board, unaffiliated with Georgetown or any of our rivals, and not one person thought Waters should be released from his NLI absent a coaching change. If he wants to break his NLI, he has to sit a year like anyone else. That was the unanimous opinion, and one I agree with. POD I agree that the "Academics is important" comment is absolutely lip service. You see kids and parents say that with Ivy League and Stanford offers and end up at Florida State or Kentucky. In terms of not being let out of the NLI unless there's a coaching change, I'm assuming until we here differently that there has been a coaching change. It's the only thing that makes sense.
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 13, 2017 22:15:27 GMT -5
It is hard to reconcile this post with your, um, "position", on JTIII prior to Waters de-committing. How's that, I know his answer wouldn't be III as that is fairly clear. Oh, right, I forgot. No matter whether Tremont was committed to GTown or not, eagle54 was on the "right" side of the argument.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 13, 2017 22:18:51 GMT -5
How's that, I know his answer wouldn't be III as that is fairly clear. Oh, right, I forgot. No matter whether Tremont was committed to GTown or not, eagle54 was on the "right" side of the argument. He left after watching this program's performance which according to the reports was decided before it was announced. Didn't have to do with this coach as he bailed on him knowing he was the one thing that could save him. I liked whoever posted the earlier Chitwood reference as that scene may be the only thing that would now save him. Maybe they have that planned in the next few days to swing sentiment.
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 13, 2017 22:48:25 GMT -5
Look eagle54, I simply cannot reconcile the lack of credit you gave JTIII's recruitment of Waters with your sudden desire to keep him, even at the cost of Tremont Waters' Dad picking the next Hoya Head Coach.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 13, 2017 23:01:52 GMT -5
Look eagle54, I simply cannot reconcile the lack of credit you gave JTIII's recruitment of Waters with your sudden desire to keep him, even at the cost of Tremont Waters' Dad picking the next Hoya Head Coach. From what I know Tremont and/or his Dad backed away from this program because of this coach and what they just watched as we all did. The message board theory is such garbage it's hard to believe someone with any form of intellect would try to pass off. The reverse effect theory? I'm just theorizing the school could have a good opportunity to include his father in the search we already need to do to get us on the right path. This kid is leaving because of the state of the program and that's due to it's pitiful and embarrassing performance. The media and fanbase reaction are a just a result of that. Let's stop trying to reverse the narrative which makes those that do sound really stupid.
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