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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 12, 2017 21:48:35 GMT -5
You guys can't call for the coach's head and cheer every media talking head that talks about "the JT3 situation" and then pretend like recruits don't notice. The fanbase did this. HAHA Tremont Waters is a winner. Winners want to play with other winners. Winners also want to play for winners. We are not a winning program now, and are not likely to be one just with the addition of Tremont. If Tremont read this board and Casual, what might have actually caused him to decommit was not because of the fans calling for the head of coach, but the loyalists who attribute the failure of this team to the players: how some posters say, the players on our team are not talented enough, Cope was a bust, this guy sucks, that guy sucks, how does that guy play bball at collegiate level etc. Tremont read the argument of the JT3 loyalists and imagined that when he cannot come and rescue this program, JT3 loyalists will be defending JT3 by bashing Tremont, saying that he is not talented enough, or not good as he was advertised. Now if the board played any role in his decommitment, that is more likely to be the reason than the fans calling for change, which has been warranted according to major media sources (ESPN, WP, etc)
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Post by hoyapac on Mar 12, 2017 22:35:19 GMT -5
DSR was one of the first to comment on his Instagram post "good luck boy!"
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 12, 2017 22:53:58 GMT -5
DSR was one of the first to comment on his Instagram post "good luck boy!" How do you read into that post?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 12, 2017 23:14:57 GMT -5
You guys can't call for the coach's head and cheer every media talking head that talks about "the JT3 situation" and then pretend like recruits don't notice. The fanbase did this. HAHA Tremont Waters is a winner. Winners want to play with other winners. Winners also want to play for winners. We are not a winning program now, and are not likely to be one just with the addition of Tremont. If Tremont read this board and Casual, what might have actually caused him to decommit was not because of the fans calling for the head of coach, but the loyalists who attribute the failure of this team to the players: how some posters say, the players on our team are not talented enough, Cope was a bust, this guy sucks, that guy sucks, how does that guy play bball at collegiate level etc. Tremont read the argument of the JT3 loyalists and imagined that when he cannot come and rescue this program, JT3 loyalists will be defending JT3 by bashing Tremont, saying that he is not talented enough, or not good as he was advertised. Now if the board played any role in his decommitment, that is more likely to be the reason than the fans calling for change, which has been warranted according to major media sources (ESPN, WP, etc) Yeah, that's what happened. Every fan board - every one - has posters with ever-rosy outlooks; overly critical, even vicious reactions; and everything in between. If a kid bases any part of a recruiting decision on such things, he will have an unhappy career.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 12, 2017 23:20:15 GMT -5
You guys can't call for the coach's head and cheer every media talking head that talks about "the JT3 situation" and then pretend like recruits don't notice. The fanbase did this. HAHA Tremont Waters is a winner. Winners want to play with other winners. Winners also want to play for winners. We are not a winning program now, and are not likely to be one just with the addition of Tremont. If Tremont read this board and Casual, what might have actually caused him to decommit was not because of the fans calling for the head of coach, but the loyalists who attribute the failure of this team to the players: how some posters say, the players on our team are not talented enough, Cope was a bust, this guy sucks, that guy sucks, how does that guy play bball at collegiate level etc. Tremont read the argument of the JT3 loyalists and imagined that when he cannot come and rescue this program, JT3 loyalists will be defending JT3 by bashing Tremont, saying that he is not talented enough, or not good as he was advertised. Now if the board played any role in his decommitment, that is more likely to be the reason than the fans calling for change, which has been warranted according to major media sources (ESPN, WP, etc) If he's such a winner and "winners want to play with other winners", why did he choose to commit to a university in November that had a sub .500 season last year? If his goal was to go to a blue-blood or a program coming off an excellent year he could have easily done that in November. He didn't. Your argument about Tremont decommitting because of loyalists is a good laugh.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 12, 2017 23:34:06 GMT -5
HAHA Tremont Waters is a winner. Winners want to play with other winners. Winners also want to play for winners. We are not a winning program now, and are not likely to be one just with the addition of Tremont. If Tremont read this board and Casual, what might have actually caused him to decommit was not because of the fans calling for the head of coach, but the loyalists who attribute the failure of this team to the players: how some posters say, the players on our team are not talented enough, Cope was a bust, this guy sucks, that guy sucks, how does that guy play bball at collegiate level etc. Tremont read the argument of the JT3 loyalists and imagined that when he cannot come and rescue this program, JT3 loyalists will be defending JT3 by bashing Tremont, saying that he is not talented enough, or not good as he was advertised. Now if the board played any role in his decommitment, that is more likely to be the reason than the fans calling for change, which has been warranted according to major media sources (ESPN, WP, etc) If he's such a winner and "winners want to play with other winners", why did he choose to commit to a university in November that had a sub .500 season last year? If his goal was to go to a blue-blood or a program coming off an excellent year he could have easily done that in November. He didn't. Your argument about Tremont decommitting because of loyalists is a good laugh. The timing of him de-committing isn't as relevant as some here keep saying. He was respectful in waiting until the season ended. He saw the way this team played and saw the fact that he was supposed to save this yet he'd dribble up and hand off to Govan/MD/ETC. to find some back door cutter. He committed for some AI type delusion but I think many made him realize as this team went off the rails that this was not something he wanted to be around. It's not about message boards and it's effect on the situation that is this program, it's about he made a judgement error that he corrected.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 12, 2017 23:43:04 GMT -5
HAHA Tremont Waters is a winner. Winners want to play with other winners. Winners also want to play for winners. We are not a winning program now, and are not likely to be one just with the addition of Tremont. If Tremont read this board and Casual, what might have actually caused him to decommit was not because of the fans calling for the head of coach, but the loyalists who attribute the failure of this team to the players: how some posters say, the players on our team are not talented enough, Cope was a bust, this guy sucks, that guy sucks, how does that guy play bball at collegiate level etc. Tremont read the argument of the JT3 loyalists and imagined that when he cannot come and rescue this program, JT3 loyalists will be defending JT3 by bashing Tremont, saying that he is not talented enough, or not good as he was advertised. Now if the board played any role in his decommitment, that is more likely to be the reason than the fans calling for change, which has been warranted according to major media sources (ESPN, WP, etc) If he's such a winner and "winners want to play with other winners", why did he choose to commit to a university in November that had a sub .500 season last year? If his goal was to go to a blue-blood or a program coming off an excellent year he could have easily done that in November. He didn't. Your argument about Tremont decommitting because of loyalists is a good laugh. If you read what I was responding to, I was stating that Tremont decomitted b/c of the loyalists in response to the statement from Tyler that he decommitted b/c of the critics In response to you argument of why he chose us in November when we had sub .500 season in the previous year? Because if you actually paid attention to his interview when he gave the reason why he chose Gtown, he said because JT3 promised that he will change the system to accommodate his style and improve the system; so Tremont believed that JT3 will set up an infrastructure to succeed with him being the center piece of it. Seeing the infrastructure JT3 has built for next year and the current roster make-up, that looks remotely like a successful infrastructure that is ready to succeed with Tremont in fold. Or do you think JT3 was able to convince Tremont to commit by saying something like "hey we are going to have one of the worst season this year, and all of our best players are gonna leave, so we will suck even more next year, but i want you to come and lead the team; we probably wont make NCAA tournament for next 2-3 years, but we will slowly get better and you can be the face of a losing franchinse and it will help you get into the NBA!" Like I said, winners want to play for winners AND WITH winners. we are none of that right now
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 12, 2017 23:52:43 GMT -5
Seriously, if you are one of the best PGs in this class, would you rather play for Duke or Gtown?
What advantages do we offer over duke?
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 13, 2017 0:26:39 GMT -5
Interested to see where Waters ends up, because someone may have gotten in his ear. Negative recruiting to turn a kid. If anyone got in his ear, its most likely the peers at his level joining him at the Jordan Classics that are committed to likes of Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky (remember AAU is all connected and all these players know each other and regularly communicate with one another). Pretty sure they were tellin him that his talent can be better used elsewhere with them than at a sinking ship alone.
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Post by swhoya on Mar 13, 2017 0:29:17 GMT -5
You guys can't call for the coach's head and cheer every media talking head that talks about "the JT3 situation" and then pretend like recruits don't notice. The fanbase did this. HAHA Tremont Waters is a winner. Winners want to play with other winners. Winners also want to play for winners. We are not a winning program now, and are not likely to be one just with the addition of Tremont. If Tremont read this board and Casual, what might have actually caused him to decommit was not because of the fans calling for the head of coach, but the loyalists who attribute the failure of this team to the players: how some posters say, the players on our team are not talented enough, Cope was a bust, this guy sucks, that guy sucks, how does that guy play bball at collegiate level etc. Tremont read the argument of the JT3 loyalists and imagined that when he cannot come and rescue this program, JT3 loyalists will be defending JT3 by bashing Tremont, saying that he is not talented enough, or not good as he was advertised. Now if the board played any role in his decommitment, that is more likely to be the reason than the fans calling for change, which has been warranted according to major media sources (ESPN, WP, etc) What cracks me up about this argument is that you somehow think you can read Water's mind. And not just you: a whole lot of other people who have their own opinion on what is wrong with the program all seem to assume his leaving somehow gives credence to their own theory. We don't know whether it was the two losing seasons. Whether it was III. Whether it was the fans. Or the chat boards. Or whatever. Quit acting like this happened somehow means your theory is right. Unless he comes out and says "I decided to not go for reason X" and your theory was reason X...just be quiet. You don't know. Stop making it about you and your need to be right.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 13, 2017 0:31:02 GMT -5
Interested to see where Waters ends up, because someone may have gotten in his ear. Negative recruiting to turn a kid. If anyone got in his ear, its most likely the peers at his level joining him at the Jordan Classics that are committed to likes of Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky (remember AAU is all connected and all these players know each other and regularly communicate with one another). Pretty sure they were tellin him that his talent can be better used elsewhere with them than at a sinking ship alone. But they told us this kid was different. He knew what he was getting into with a sub .500 team. He wanted to fix this and was getting the keys from III? I think if was to name why he didn't come it would start with cosmopolitanhoya, what say you Cosmo?
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 13, 2017 0:37:33 GMT -5
HAHA Tremont Waters is a winner. Winners want to play with other winners. Winners also want to play for winners. We are not a winning program now, and are not likely to be one just with the addition of Tremont. If Tremont read this board and Casual, what might have actually caused him to decommit was not because of the fans calling for the head of coach, but the loyalists who attribute the failure of this team to the players: how some posters say, the players on our team are not talented enough, Cope was a bust, this guy sucks, that guy sucks, how does that guy play bball at collegiate level etc. Tremont read the argument of the JT3 loyalists and imagined that when he cannot come and rescue this program, JT3 loyalists will be defending JT3 by bashing Tremont, saying that he is not talented enough, or not good as he was advertised. Now if the board played any role in his decommitment, that is more likely to be the reason than the fans calling for change, which has been warranted according to major media sources (ESPN, WP, etc) What cracks me up about this argument is that you somehow think you can read Water's mind. And not just you: a whole lot of other people who have their own opinion on what is wrong with the program all seem to assume his leaving somehow gives credence to their own theory. We don't know whether it was the two losing seasons. Whether it was III. Whether it was the fans. Or the chat boards. Or whatever. Quit acting like this happened somehow means your theory is right. Unless he comes out and says "I decided to not go for reason X" and your theory was reason X...just be quiet. You don't know. Stop making it about you and your need to be right. Again - I was simply responding to Tyler's comment - Tremont decided to change his mind b/c of the fans on casual/HT critical of JT3. Yes that is ridiculous. But what i simply said was this: if, according to Tyler, the HT and Casual played a role in the decommitment, it was more likely the loyalists blaming the failure of this program onto the talent level of the players rather than the coach. If you are a player, would you rather be accountable for the failures of this program or would you rather want the HC to be accountable? Its not that hard. BTW, just my personal opinion, i dont think this message board or casual played any role in this.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 13, 2017 0:40:44 GMT -5
If anyone got in his ear, its most likely the peers at his level joining him at the Jordan Classics that are committed to likes of Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky (remember AAU is all connected and all these players know each other and regularly communicate with one another). Pretty sure they were tellin him that his talent can be better used elsewhere with them than at a sinking ship alone. But they told us this kid was different. He knew what he was getting into with a sub .500 team. He wanted to fix this and was getting the keys from III? I think if was to name why he didn't come it would start with cosmopolitanhoya, what say you Cosmo? This program has more problems than just bad records - it has bad publicity now thanks to former players going on ESPN about bashing Thompsons and also the recent transfer/graduate (Copeland/Bowen) tweeting negatively about this school. Such environment is anything but toxic. And would you really want to play for a program with such red flags that were even highlighted on ESPN nationally? I was actually going to be more surprised if Tremont STAYED committed with such talent.
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Post by practice on Mar 13, 2017 0:47:39 GMT -5
But they told us this kid was different. He knew what he was getting into with a sub .500 team. He wanted to fix this and was getting the keys from III? I think if was to name why he didn't come it would start with cosmopolitanhoya, what say you Cosmo? This program has more problems than just bad records - it has bad publicity now thanks to former players going on ESPN about bashing Thompsons and also the recent transfer/graduate (Copeland/Bowen) tweeting negatively about this school. Such environment is anything but toxic. And would you really want to play for a program with such red flags that were even highlighted on ESPN nationally? I was actually going to be more surprised if Tremont STAYED committed with such talent. No NCAA violations or scandals ..... just a 29-36 record. Of course fans, alumni, former players, and others are coming out of the woodwork to complain and snipe ... it's warranted. The toxicity starts and emanates from the court. Don't blame the logical reaction to losing for the current state of the program. Blame the incessant losing!
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 13, 2017 8:26:22 GMT -5
I don't blame Waters for de-commiting. Why would such a highly rated player want to come here when the coach is clearly a lame duck coach. The administration has made no comment about the future of the program, so no one knows who will be coaching the team next year or into the future. The Waters kid is a big time recruit and does not need the aggravation of having to sit out a year if he does come to Georgetown for his freshman year and then the school decided to make a change next year. Recruiting is a cut throat business and you can be sure that other programs got the message to the kid that he had committed to a program with no stability. He is a young kid and he is going to to listen to what people tell him, and then make whatever decision he thinks is best for him and his future.
This is a huge loss for the program but things will only get worse until then administration makes some type of statement about JTIII and the program. They have absolutely no chance to get another good recruit until they show the program has some stability and direction.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 13, 2017 8:53:27 GMT -5
I kinda laugh every time I hear someone blame the vociferous media, chatrooms, or student body for why Tremont decommitted. When tremont committed, he was under the impression that we had a deep team that was top 25 caliber and that was going to make the tourney this year. At least that's what the staff was saying going into the season. He thought he would have some nice pieces around him which included a rising Isaac Copeland and Paul White. Believe me, with or without the media circus, Tremont would have noticed the train wreck of a season we had, the losing streaks, the end of game collapses, the mass transfers, and the player comments, the Tyler Crawford incident, etc, etc... He would have been jumping into a dumpster fire and he knew it. With or without the "fire Thompson" chants...he would have come to the same conclusion and it's silly to blame him nor anyone outside the program for that.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 13, 2017 9:02:16 GMT -5
I kinda laugh every time I hear someone blame the vociferous media, chatrooms, or student body for why Tremont decommitted. When tremont committed, he was under the impression that we had a deep team that was top 25 caliber and that was going to make the tourney this year. At least that's what the staff was saying going into the season. He thought he would have some nice pieces around him which included a rising Isaac Copeland and Paul White. Believe me, with or without the media circus, Tremont would have noticed the train wreck of a season we had, the losing streaks, the end of game collapses, the mass transfers, and the player comments, the Tyler Crawford incident, etc, etc... He would have been jumping into a dumpster fire and he knew it. With or without the "fire Thompson" chants...he would have come to the same conclusion and it's silly to blame him nor anyone outside the program for that. Hmmmm. Blame the media. Where has that strategy been used before???
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 13, 2017 9:41:24 GMT -5
Seriously, if you are one of the best PGs in this class, would you rather play for Duke or Gtown? What advantages do we offer over duke? Washington, D.C. > Durham, NC
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 13, 2017 9:46:36 GMT -5
Hell, players go to Kansas and Syracuse to play.
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Post by lb25 on Mar 13, 2017 12:42:35 GMT -5
Why are you devasted?? As i told you beofore true PG do not want to come here..but you still do nt hear me though
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