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Post by practice on Mar 12, 2017 14:31:05 GMT -5
This is beyond comical. Seriously - pause and think about what you keep posting today. It is as illogical as it is insane. And it shows that people like you will do anything to avoid placing the blame for this mess on the coach who is causing it. Take a break. You're not going to win people over to your point no matter how long you stay on here and pounce in response to everyone who disagrees. Go out and have a conversation with a millennial. They really aren't so scary. Hey, how about today you take a look at what Casual Hoya's written this year and ask yourself whether a recruit would want to get themselves involved with the program they're describing? Especially one that committed under and liked JT3 - whether they would want to keep their commitment? No offense but you are acting as if Casual Hoya is writing in a vacuum and the coverage is not connected to the team and the record. Casual Hoya, like many posters on Hoya Talk, and even more people outside of the internet are railing on JT3 and Georgetown because it is crystal clear that it is a disaster. This was supposed to be the turnaround season. It was worse than last year! The coverage reflects the performance ... the team's performance drives the coverage on Casual, Hoyatalk, the Washington Post, ESPN, FS1 (although they sugarcoat their fallen cash cow), etc. These fansites are for fans. You think 18 year old 4 and 5 star prospects care about what you have to say??? They care about getting on TV, about getting to the NBA, about playing in front of big crowds, about being relevant, about winning ... sorry my friend, the sad team on the court is the problem.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 12, 2017 14:39:24 GMT -5
Interested to see where Waters ends up, because someone may have gotten in his ear. Negative recruiting to turn a kid. As the risk of sounding naive, if the "someone" doing the negative recruiting got into Waters's ear and is a representative of a competing basketball program, it would be an NCAA violation since Waters had already signed his NLI. Happens all the time in college basketball as assistant coaches reach out to his AAU Coaches and possibly his former coach at South Kent with the pretense they are calling about other prospects and say hey in passing hey if Waters is having 2nd thoughts we would come after him once he gets his release. Then his AAU Coach and former prep school coach will let Waters know. There are plenty of rumors flying around that Syracuse is trying to get in the mix because they have his former teammate Matt Moyer in the fold. It wouldn't surprise me if Boheim tells Moyer to tell them they were interested and want him if he's having 2nd thoughts. This type of tampering are not NCAA rules violations partly because they are next to impossible to prove. What is illegal is direct contact with family and friends of family.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 12, 2017 15:03:06 GMT -5
These fansites are for fans. You think 18 year old 4 and 5 star prospects care about what you have to say??? They care about getting on TV, about getting to the NBA, about playing in front of big crowds, about being relevant, about winning ... sorry my friend, the sad team on the court is the problem. Oh, I understand. These sites are only for "fans." So a recruit like Tremont Waters would never read them. Got it.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 12, 2017 15:19:22 GMT -5
As the risk of sounding naive, if the "someone" doing the negative recruiting got into Waters's ear and is a representative of a competing basketball program, it would be an NCAA violation since Waters had already signed his NLI. Happens all the time in college basketball as assistant coaches reach out to his AAU Coaches and possibly his former coach at South Kent with the pretense they are calling about other prospects and say hey in passing hey if Waters is having 2nd thoughts we would come after him once he gets his release. Then his AAU Coach and former prep school coach will let Waters know. There are plenty of rumors flying around that Syracuse is trying to get in the mix because they have his former teammate Matt Moyer in the fold. It wouldn't surprise me if Boheim tells Moyer to tell them they were interested and want him if he's having 2nd thoughts. This type of tampering are not NCAA rules violations partly because they are next to impossible to prove. What is illegal is direct contact with family and friends of family. I've heard the same thing 4ever, I heard something similar about Seton Hall a couple of months back but i didn't take it seriously..
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Mar 12, 2017 15:59:31 GMT -5
Petition For Waters!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 12, 2017 16:38:16 GMT -5
I've been hearing that Waters never signed his LOI (which was widely reported as being done)....
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 12, 2017 16:39:32 GMT -5
If Casual Hoya has more sway with a recruit than JT3, we definitely need a new coach. Case closed.
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 12, 2017 16:42:17 GMT -5
Interested to see where Waters ends up, because someone may have gotten in his ear. Negative recruiting to turn a kid. Remember what Calipari allegedly said to to Terrence Jones (I think his name was) who had committed to Washington....Days later, Jones decommitted and went to Kentucky.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 12, 2017 17:25:14 GMT -5
I've been hearing that Waters never signed his LOI (which was widely reported as being done).... While that's intriguing, if true, then why would his father be concerned about Georgetown releasing him from it? This also directly contradicts what his father told Adam Finklestein from ESPN (link upthread):
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Mar 12, 2017 17:37:42 GMT -5
I've been hearing that Waters never signed his LOI (which was widely reported as being done).... While that's intriguing, if true, then why would his father be concerned about Georgetown releasing him from it? This also directly contradicts what his father told Adam Finklestein from ESPN (link upthread): Hoya fans need to raise up and "Petition For Waters"!
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 12, 2017 18:12:24 GMT -5
I've been hearing that Waters never signed his LOI (which was widely reported as being done).... While that's intriguing, if true, then why would his father be concerned about Georgetown releasing him from it? This also directly contradicts what his father told Adam Finklestein from ESPN (link upthread): Yep, that's what I'm saying.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 12, 2017 18:38:36 GMT -5
Just had a gut feeling that this was coming. Sad day in Hoya Land.
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Post by hoyafan2014 on Mar 12, 2017 18:59:09 GMT -5
Tomorrow, there is going to be a town hall meeting on campus to vote on whether coach stays or not. Tremont Waters will show up at the meeting. An obnoxious JTIII hater will then say, "I told you...we get rid of JTIII and Waters will stay!" The town hall will erupt with applause. Waters will then say "I still want to play for Georgetown". Everyone cheers. He then says "Coach stays, I stay....Coach goes, I go...."
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 12, 2017 19:31:00 GMT -5
Tomorrow, there is going to be a town hall meeting on campus to vote on whether coach stays or not. Tremont Waters will show up at the meeting. An obnoxious JTIII hater will then say, "I told you...we get rid of JTIII and Waters will stay!" The town hall will erupt with applause. Waters will then say "I still want to play for Georgetown". Everyone cheers. He then says "Coach stays, I stay....Coach goes, I go...." And in another case of fiction, a post on a Syracuse message board argues that Syracuse should dump Mike Hopkins and pursue Jay Wright because, obviously, Villanova can't compare to Syracuse right now. syracusefan.com/threads/jbs-last-year-next-season.116331/
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Post by tashoya on Mar 12, 2017 19:40:26 GMT -5
Tomorrow, there is going to be a town hall meeting on campus to vote on whether coach stays or not. Tremont Waters will show up at the meeting. An obnoxious JTIII hater will then say, "I told you...we get rid of JTIII and Waters will stay!" The town hall will erupt with applause. Waters will then say "I still want to play for Georgetown". Everyone cheers. He then says "Coach stays, I stay....Coach goes, I go...." And in another case of fiction, a post on a Syracuse message board argues that Syracuse should dump Mike Hopkins and pursue Jay Wright because, obviously, Villanova can't compare to Syracuse right now. syracusefan.com/threads/jbs-last-year-next-season.116331/That's hilarious! Thanks, DFW!
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 12, 2017 19:43:32 GMT -5
That's hilarious! Thanks, DFW! Doesn't Nova pay Wright about $1m more than Syracuse pays Boeheim? The arrogance of that crew never ceases to amaze. I had to spend a week with them earlier this year.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 12, 2017 21:05:21 GMT -5
Ok Im out of anger and Im now in bargaining.........so is there any chance that Tremont chances his mind? Is the dooor shut or does he just want to open up his recruitment to check his options. I know Im pathetic..........
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 12, 2017 21:24:14 GMT -5
Ok Im out of anger and Im now in bargaining.........so is there any chance that Tremont chances his mind? Is the dooor shut or does he just want to open up his recruitment to check his options. I know Im pathetic.......... Most likely not. Unless there is a drastic change in our program, expect to see him at duke/kentucky
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 12, 2017 21:29:10 GMT -5
Just had a gut feeling that this was coming. Sad day in Hoya Land. Sure you did.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 12, 2017 21:29:20 GMT -5
This whole saga is very interesting. Waters's pledge to Georgetown was never very solid if he allowed a down year to change his mind. Very few kids have done this in the past and plenty of schools have gone through a bad year with good commits coming in - Esh's last class being the easiest to reference here.
I would assume Waters was on the fence about his decision for a long time. It is a shame he could not reach this conclusion sooner or not sign at all because maybe III could have pursued another PG.
I do not blame Waters for his decision, you have to take control of your future, but I am not sure I can really root for him after this incident. I mean he did royally screw over Georgetown and III and handled it poorly. The right thing to do would have been to hold off on signing until he felt more certain about the decision. If he was truly committed and excited to come, a bad year does not really qualify as a reason to abandon your pledge.
He will be a good player too, probably at Duke or Cuse just to make it worse. Man, this one hurts and will effect the next few years for certain.
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