This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Mar 12, 2017 0:11:16 GMT -5
It's not my job to win games in this program. That's someone else's and someone hasn't done their job. Is what it is. You and I should be thanking each other as some of the last few who care enough to be here. Most alum's wrote this program off many years ago when they were inconvenienced by the March embarrassments. With recent performances they don't even know we are still trying to carry a real program. This board is truly a small subset of what the actual base should be. You can look thru the past pages and see all the videos attached, posted and dedicated to Tremont Waters showing all of his highlights I thought that was a red carpet treatment.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 12, 2017 0:12:45 GMT -5
You can't control public sentiment in this day and age. If one board is going to try and censor another will start. They should be happy as a program people care enough that there are stories and interest. Your line of reasoning is beyond ridiculous. You think other programs don't have message boards. I've been on them and they allow much more then this one and it's generally not positive unless you are winning. That's what is lost here by you and some others I won't name. If III comes in this season and has some type of success in a make or break off of last year's debacle this doesnt' happen. That's where this starts and ends. Nothing to do with the normal fan reaction to it. I got 2 thoughts: 1. In regards to JTIII, if he is not winning, he is going to get some heat 2. Tremont Waters has been treated well on this board. Posters like Yaboy & Hoyas4ever have been following Waters via instagram and posting each of his game stats. Waters was viewed as the savior of the program, and the one to turn the program around. I don't think one bad post has been made about waters. Agreed, Tremont has been touted as the savior and no one has questioned that other then to say he needs to be that good with what we are facing. As I said before, if anything, the cheerleaders for him did more harm by putting so much pressure on him to save this program. A kid with his ability wouldn't back down from a challenge because of this year's performance and people calling that out. Only his realizing I can't fix this thing with that cast.
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Post by TC on Mar 12, 2017 0:16:34 GMT -5
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 12, 2017 0:19:01 GMT -5
Pat yourself on the back for that. Seriously, find me a SB Nation board that is so invested in self-sabotage of their own program. I'm looking through conferences at last place teams and can't find anything remotely close to the hit job that Casual has become. So I guess the blame has to go to Causal as well for Daquan Bracey not committing to GU as well right?!
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 12, 2017 0:19:48 GMT -5
You are cherry picking. What's the difference between Indiana and the others. Answer: No one cares about the others. They have been bad for far too long to get that fired up. That's our future and the loyalists will get their wish. It becomes a wasteland when you lose for too many years in a row.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 12, 2017 0:24:02 GMT -5
I was on the Syracuse board for a week or so earlier this year leading up to our game with them. I can tell you when they were not doing well early this season it was far worse than this board and they didn't censor much.
You need to look at historically successful programs that are having an awful run and check their boards. Looking at perennial bottom feeders with no interest isn't comparable.
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Post by TC on Mar 12, 2017 0:25:25 GMT -5
Pat yourself on the back for that. Seriously, find me a SB Nation board that is so invested in self-sabotage of their own program. I'm looking through conferences at last place teams and can't find anything remotely close to the hit job that Casual has become. So I guess the blame has to go to Causal as well for Daquan Bracey not committing to GU as well right?! The coach got a four-start PG to commit. He was signed. He's decommitting because of the perceived coaching situation. Even during the Esherick debacle, no one decommitted. But hey, Casual wasn't around then.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 12, 2017 0:27:35 GMT -5
So I guess the blame has to go to Causal as well for Daquan Bracey not committing to GU as well right?! The coach got a four-start PG to commit. He was signed. He's decommitting because of the perceived coaching situation. Even during the Esherick debacle, no one decommitted. But hey, Casual wasn't around then. Neither was Twitter, what's your point.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Mar 12, 2017 0:34:37 GMT -5
And he was then recruited by promises of a new offense/way of playing that didn't happen. Fans didn't make anything happen.....we reacted to what was put before us. Garbage in.....garbage out. Please, none of the news in the past week have been about offensive scheme. It's been about firing the coach. Fan base did this, they should own up to it. They don't care what they burn down in order to get what they want. Pretty sure you're JT3.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 12, 2017 0:35:30 GMT -5
So I guess the blame has to go to Causal as well for Daquan Bracey not committing to GU as well right?! The coach got a four-start PG to commit. He was signed. He's decommitting because of the perceived coaching situation. Even during the Esherick debacle, no one decommitted. But hey, Casual wasn't around then. A specific poster here on HT was complaining that Casual was in the wrong for posting an opinion about of Bracey. I just honestly think it was just passing blame and he wasn't good fit with the program.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 12, 2017 0:35:39 GMT -5
I have to believe this means there's a possibility that JTIII is gone this offseason.
If he's not leaving this offseason, then we shouldn't grant the release. There hasn't been a coaching change, just a bad season. You can't let kids get releases after they've signed just because they've changed their mind. If he was uncertain, there's a spring signing period for a reason. If he was REALLY uncertain, he's highly recruited enough that he could've foregone an NLI and just signed scholarship papers the day he showed up to school.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 12, 2017 0:37:14 GMT -5
Top-50 recruits don't want to play for teams that finish in 9th place out of 10 teams in their conference and don't play in the postseason. The coach recruited the players, coached them, motivated them, developed them and designed the offensive/defensive schemes. He has to own his results.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 12, 2017 0:40:17 GMT -5
Agree that if JT3 is back, you hold Waters to his LOI.
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Post by swhoya on Mar 12, 2017 0:41:28 GMT -5
I have to believe this means there's a possibility that JTIII is gone this offseason. If he's not leaving this offseason, then we shouldn't grant the release. There hasn't been a coaching change, just a bad season. You can't let kids get releases after they've signed just because they've changed their mind. If he was uncertain, there's a spring signing period for a reason. If he was REALLY uncertain, he's highly recruited enough that he could've foregone an NLI and just signed scholarship papers the day he showed up to school. Won't happen. If the school doesn't grant his release, we won't ever get another high caliber recruit. No player who values himself is going to go to a school that won't grant a release when asked--whatever the reason, but especially when we are a program that's got a great deal of uncertainty about it. He's an 18 year old. Let him go to college where he wants. If he doesn't want to be at Georgetown, it'd be foolish to make him.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 12, 2017 0:43:29 GMT -5
Top-50 recruits don't want to play for teams that finish in 9th place out of 10 teams in their conference and don't play in the postseason. The coach recruited the players, coached them, motivated them, developed them and designed the offensive/defensive schemes. He has to own his results. Yep, pretty much in a nutshell.
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Post by swhoya on Mar 12, 2017 0:46:06 GMT -5
Agree that if JT3 is back, you hold Waters to his LOI. What world do you guys live in? Do you have any idea how that will look to future recruits? How that's going to be the story for a long time to come, that Georgetown would not provide a release to that kid? How hard to you think he would play for us? And when he transferred a year later, you think he's not going to trash us to every buddy, every AAU contact he has? You guys need to get off your ivory towers and get real. He wants out, we should let him. He's gone either way, you just want to make it worse for everyone, for what? Principle? Spite?
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Post by TC on Mar 12, 2017 0:48:14 GMT -5
Top-50 recruits don't want to play for teams that finish in 9th place out of 10 teams in their conference and don't play in the postseason. Top 50 recruits regularly commit to schools in last place, immediate playing time and showcase are huge drivers : Ethan Thompson : Oregon State (5-27) Daejon Davis : Washington (9-22) Jaylen Newell : Washington (9-22) Mitchell Robinson : Western Kentucky (15-17) Nick Weatherspoon : Miss State (16-16) Makai Ashton-Langford: UCONN (16-17) Kezie Opala : Stanford (14-17) Chuma Okeke : Auburn (18-14)
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 12, 2017 0:50:32 GMT -5
Please, none of the news in the past week have been about offensive scheme. It's been about firing the coach. Fan base did this, they should own up to it. They don't care what they burn down in order to get what they want. Pretty sure you're JT3. Why, whenever anybody doesn't follow the negative JT3 point of view, people accuse them of being JT3, Ronnie, etc.? It's not funny, it's been done before, and it's pointless.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 12, 2017 0:50:35 GMT -5
Top-50 recruits don't want to play for teams that finish in 9th place out of 10 teams in their conference and don't play in the postseason. Top 50 recruits regularly commit to schools in last place, immediate playing time and showcase are huge drivers : Ethan Thompson : Oregon State (5-27) Daejon Davis : Washington (9-22) Jaylen Newell : Washington (9-22) Mitchell Robinson : Western Kentucky (15-17) Nick Weatherspoon : Miss State (16-16) Makai Ashton-Langford: UCONN (16-17) Kezie Opala : Stanford (14-17) Chuma Okeke : Auburn (18-14) Maybe some of those coaches need a job if they landed them as ours seems unable.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 12, 2017 0:51:29 GMT -5
Why, whenever anybody doesn't follow the negative JT3 point of view, people accuse them of being JT3, Ronnie, etc.? It's not funny, it's been done before, and it's pointless. That's funny.
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