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Post by s4hoyas on Mar 11, 2017 23:22:56 GMT -5
You're correct...he did say that, and that the academic side of it was just as important to him as the basketball side...perhaps some folks have been in his (or his dad's) ear, although I think that's improper after a kid has signed a NLI...that wouldn't be surprising...as an aside, the reason we didn't play the more open, penetrating attacking style after the season got going, was simply we didn't have the type of guards to play it...and that's exactly why Tremont is/was so vitally important going forward...If JT3 and his staff are going to stay, I would hope that they would get an opportunity to sit down with Tremont, his Dad and family and see if the situation can be resolved...or give the same opportunity to Georgetown's new coach should that be the case...
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 11, 2017 23:24:20 GMT -5
The chants and vocal angst were a result of a terrible performance. The performance came before what you point to. Hard to fault a fanbase for reacting to what they see. If we had come out this year and righted this as everyone said last year, when we picked up Pryor, Mulmore, etc. then this wouldn't have happened. The performance or lack thereof came before the reaction so don't blame the reaction or those that do sound really naive.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 11, 2017 23:26:16 GMT -5
So you're blaming the fans, another talk forum and the national media for Water's decommitting from the GU program? However, his coaching the record the past few seasons hasn't been pretty to say the least. Also I thought he was in it for the prestigious education that GU was offering? No, I am not blaming fans. I am placing some of the blame on the overzealous folks who are unrelentingly negative. As far as education, (1) I have never said Waters came here for education, and (2) he can get a plenty prestigious education elsewhere, like at Duke. Waters clearly liked what we had to offer. He liked the staff. He liked the university. This was in November. It's not like he committed two years ago. How you can possibly pretend like the recent vocal fan angst against JT3 and the "Fire Thompson" chants had nothing to do with it? The GU coaching record the past several years speaks for itself. The fans are not satisfied with the product that's been on the court, but hey at least the fans can still celebrate the 2007 FF right? Also take into account, perhaps JT3 hasn't developed a back court player to get into the NBA (sans the 10 day contract from Wright).
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 11, 2017 23:29:11 GMT -5
Even if the "negativity" of the message board had something to do with this, nothing that is said here is any worse than at any other major conference school that had seasons like these. And, regardless, that's the program's fault. This negativity wouldn't be there if we were better, needless to say.
FWIW, I think the simplest read of his statement is that the team fell apart "lately." It's one thing to come to a team that had a middling season and missed the tourney by a game or two and think you can make a difference. It's another to see the last three weeks.
I just don't see how you come back now if you are III.
(Note that he didn't even say something like "I am reopening my commitment." No, no, he said he was gone. And that he wanted a school that not only could help with academics but also with basketball. The implication being that we were incapable of the latter.)
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 11, 2017 23:36:14 GMT -5
So you're blaming the fans, another talk forum and the national media for Water's decommitting from the GU program? However, his coaching the record the past few seasons hasn't been pretty to say the least. Also I thought he was in it for the prestigious education that GU was offering? No, I am not blaming fans. I am placing some of the blame on the overzealous folks who are unrelentingly negative. As far as education, (1) I have never said Waters came here for education, and (2) he can get a plenty prestigious education elsewhere, like at Duke. Waters clearly liked what we had to offer. He liked the staff. He liked the university. This was in November. It's not like he committed two years ago. How you can possibly pretend like the recent vocal fan angst against JT3 and the "Fire Thompson" chants had nothing to do with it? But what caused the "fire JT3" chants? Losing to DePaul & St. John's, you can't act as if the losses didn't cause folks to lose it.. Btw, Waters got to watch many of these losses as well, do you think he enjoyed watching the way Gtown was losing?
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 11, 2017 23:41:43 GMT -5
No, I am not blaming fans. I am placing some of the blame on the overzealous folks who are unrelentingly negative. As far as education, (1) I have never said Waters came here for education, and (2) he can get a plenty prestigious education elsewhere, like at Duke. Waters clearly liked what we had to offer. He liked the staff. He liked the university. This was in November. It's not like he committed two years ago. How you can possibly pretend like the recent vocal fan angst against JT3 and the "Fire Thompson" chants had nothing to do with it? But what caused the "fire JT3" chants? Losing to DePaul & St. John's, you can't act as if the losses didn't cause folks to lose it.. Btw, Waters got to watch many of these losses as well, do you think he enjoyed watching the way Gtown was losing? The message boards negativity started it which then dialed in the national media to pick up on it which then caused us to lose terrible games down the stretch. All very clear to those that can't even say these things with a straight face anymore.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 11, 2017 23:42:35 GMT -5
But what caused the "fire JT3" chants? Losing to DePaul & St. John's, you can't act as if the losses didn't cause folks to lose it.. Btw, Waters got to watch many of these losses as well, do you think he enjoyed watching the way Gtown was losing? The message boards negativity started it which then dialed in the national media to pick up on it which then caused us to lose terrible games down the stretch. All very clear to those that can't even say these things with a straight face anymore. Just reverse that and you have reality but that's not the business some are in on this board.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 11, 2017 23:42:49 GMT -5
The chants and vocal angst were a result of a terrible performance. The performance came before what you point to. Hard to fault a fanbase for reacting to what they see. If we had come out this year and righted this as everyone said last year, when we picked up Pryor, Mulmore, etc. then this wouldn't have happened. The performance or lack thereof came before the reaction so don't blame the reaction or those that do sound really naive. Except some members of the fan-base were reacting unreasonably before it was clear whether everything would be "righted."
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 11, 2017 23:45:58 GMT -5
I may be way off base but I think losing in the HS tourney had more of an impact than our losing record or the message boards. He just loss having to carry a team on his back. In the last game he was pretty much double teamed the entire game and his teammates could not pick him up. He is probably thinking that GTown is in worse shape than the HS team he transferred to and there is no way he alone can make them a winner. I think that our pieces are good with a good PG running the show but he may not be able to see what I see. Most kids are more concerned with winning because he probably considers the NBA a given no matter what school he attends.....just an thought......
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 11, 2017 23:46:18 GMT -5
No just reacting to what they've seen over the last decade like losses to Arkansas State and bringing back memories of teams in the tournament with far inferior talent that we couldn't handle. It's the body of work and it's been awful for close to a decade. Save the regular season speech as that doens't matter and of late that's been pitiful as well. Some saw this coming while others try to hold onto something that is not even remotely there any longer.
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Post by deacon on Mar 11, 2017 23:49:58 GMT -5
But what caused the "fire JT3" chants? Losing to DePaul & St. John's, you can't act as if the losses didn't cause folks to lose it.. Btw, Waters got to watch many of these losses as well, do you think he enjoyed watching the way Gtown was losing? The message boards negativity started it which then dialed in the national media to pick up on it which then caused us to lose terrible games down the stretch. All very clear to those that can't even say these things with a straight face anymore. There are countless threads on every Maryland message board right now about Mark Turgeon's job status and he's about to take Maryland to the NCAA tournament for the third straight year including a Sweet 16 appearance last season. Just a little perspective on how toxic it's apparently in here.
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Post by TC on Mar 11, 2017 23:50:19 GMT -5
It's funny to listen to people saying that it's the record that drove Waters away - was the news reported about the Hoyas about their record? Just take a look at Casual's home page - is the reporting on the record? Or the offensive scheme? Nope... Click on the "31 Stories" to read the other 31 "Fire JT3" Casual stories has written since November.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 11, 2017 23:50:30 GMT -5
Mods:
Please rename thread to "Tremont Waters '17 Instagrams Georgetown Decommitment, And in Other News Healy Lawn will Be Bring Your Own Pitchfork"
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Post by TC on Mar 11, 2017 23:52:41 GMT -5
I like "Insane Jihadic Fanbase obsessed with firing coach drives away Tremont Waters '17".
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 11, 2017 23:54:13 GMT -5
It's funny to listen to people saying that it's the record that drove Waters away - was the news reported about the Hoyas about their record? Just take a look at Casual's home page - is the reporting on the record? Or the offensive scheme? Nope... Click on the "31 Stories" to read the other 31 "Fire JT3" Casual stories has written since November. You can't control public sentiment in this day and age. If one board is going to try and censor another will start. They should be happy as a program people care enough that there are stories and interest. Your line of reasoning is beyond ridiculous. You think other programs don't have message boards. I've been on them and they allow much more then this one and it's generally not positive unless you are winning. That's what is lost here by you and some others I won't name. If III comes in this season and has some type of success in a make or break off of last year's debacle this doesnt' happen. That's where this starts and ends. Nothing to do with the normal fan reaction to it.
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Post by TC on Mar 12, 2017 0:01:28 GMT -5
Boston College is 2-16 and has not had a winning record since Al Skinner's players left. Here's their SBNation board : www.bcinterruption.com/boston-college-mens-basketballWhat do you see : news on the program - Ky Bowman to have leg surgery, ACC tournament complete coverage, BC / Wake Forest results Conspicuously missing : wall to wall calls to fire the coach and coaching situation coverage
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 12, 2017 0:03:02 GMT -5
Boston College is 2-16 and has not had a winning record since Al Skinner's players left. Here's their SBNation board : www.bcinterruption.com/boston-college-mens-basketballWhat do you see : news on the program - Ky Bowman to have leg surgery, ACC tournament complete coverage, BC / Wake Forest results Conspicuously missing : wall to wall calls to fire the coach and coaching situation coverage They don't care anymore. That will be this board in a couple of years if we continue this spiral. Take a look around here as there are already many active posters who have stopped showing up. TC, just make sure you turn out the lights when it's all done.
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Post by TC on Mar 12, 2017 0:03:38 GMT -5
Pat yourself on the back for that.
Seriously, find me a SB Nation board that is so invested in self-sabotage of their own program. I'm looking through conferences at last place teams and can't find anything remotely close to the hit job that Casual has become.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 12, 2017 0:07:30 GMT -5
It's funny to listen to people saying that it's the record that drove Waters away - was the news reported about the Hoyas about their record? Just take a look at Casual's home page - is the reporting on the record? Or the offensive scheme? Nope... Click on the "31 Stories" to read the other 31 "Fire JT3" Casual stories has written since November. You can't control public sentiment in this day and age. If one board is going to try and censor another will start. They should be happy as a program people care enough that there are stories and interest. Your line of reasoning is beyond ridiculous. You think other programs don't have message boards. I've been on them and they allow much more then this one and it's generally not positive unless you are winning. That's what is lost here by you and some others I won't name. If III comes in this season and has some type of success in a make or break off of last year's debacle this doesnt' happen. That's where this starts and ends. Nothing to do with the normal fan reaction to it. I got 2 thoughts: 1. In regards to JTIII, if he is not winning, he is going to get some heat 2. Tremont Waters has been treated well on this board. Posters like Yaboy & Hoyas4ever have been following Waters via instagram and posting each of his game stats. Waters was viewed as the savior of the program, and the one to turn the program around. I don't think one bad post has been made about waters.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 12, 2017 0:09:01 GMT -5
It's not my job to win games in this program. That's someone else's and someone hasn't done their job. Is what it is.
You and I should be thanking each other as some of the last few who care enough to be here. Most alum's wrote this program off many years ago when they were inconvenienced by the March embarrassments. With recent performances they don't even know we are still trying to carry a real program. This board is truly a small subset of what the actual base should be.
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