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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 18, 2016 11:11:59 GMT -5
Yep, this is why the never lose their OOC games at home. You really cant discount that. I mean, a season can be completely different if you can go 9-0 at home in OOC games, 3-3 in neutral games, and even finish meh in your conference. |
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 18, 2016 11:13:51 GMT -5
One, I think Yale beats Duke. They are for real. The second Gtown related item, thank god for Drew & Baylor. They may have taken the title for NCAA March bust from our mantle. Two years, two upsets by 14 seeds. You think so? I was shocked by that game. Baylor didnt take advantage of any advantage they had. I think Coach K wont make the same mistake. The underdog role will work against Duke, Im sure, but they will score tons. |
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 18, 2016 11:29:11 GMT -5
One, I think Yale beats Duke. They are for real. The second Gtown related item, thank god for Drew & Baylor. They may have taken the title for NCAA March bust from our mantle. Two years, two upsets by 14 seeds. You think so? I was shocked by that game. Baylor didnt take advantage of any advantage they had. I think Coach K wont make the same mistake. The underdog role will work against Duke, Im sure, but they will score tons. Yale absolutely can out-rebound Duke, just as they did Baylor. They were right with them on the boards at Duke, and 12 of Duke's boards were Amile Jefferson. Duke is a different team without him. Combine that with the fact that Yale's strength is in the interior (Duke's weakness) and I think Yale will be able to score plenty. What happens if Plumlee gets in foul trouble? (That kid who is Yale's PG hit some clutch shots and was money at the line, but he actually didn't shoot well overall from three. He probably won't get as many opportunities to shoot FTs, but he can certainly play close to as well.) And as that article points out, Duke came out with that 1-3-1 at Duke that flummoxed them. They'll be fully prepared. Can they defend Duke? Probably not. But they may be able to defend Duke better than Duke can defend them. Let's put it this way: unless Duke shoots the lights out from three (which is certainly possible), I think it's a game all the way through. And the underdog (particularly a veteran one) plays with house money and with all the crowd emotion down the stretch. To me it's a pick-em. |
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 18, 2016 11:29:38 GMT -5
Does anyone know where I can get player +/- stats for the games, specifically PC-USC? Thanks.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 18, 2016 12:07:19 GMT -5
You think so? I was shocked by that game. Baylor didnt take advantage of any advantage they had. I think Coach K wont make the same mistake. The underdog role will work against Duke, Im sure, but they will score tons. Yale absolutely can out-rebound Duke, just as they did Baylor. They were right with them on the boards at Duke, and 12 of Duke's boards were Amile Jefferson. Duke is a different team without him. Combine that with the fact that Yale's strength is in the interior (Duke's weakness) and I think Yale will be able to score plenty. What happens if Plumlee gets in foul trouble? (That kid who is Yale's PG hit some clutch shots and was money at the line, but he actually didn't shoot well overall from three. He probably won't get as many opportunities to shoot FTs, but he can certainly play close to as well.) And as that article points out, Duke came out with that 1-3-1 at Duke that flummoxed them. They'll be fully prepared. Can they defend Duke? Probably not. But they may be able to defend Duke better than Duke can defend them. Let's put it this way: unless Duke shoots the lights out from three (which is certainly possible), I think it's a game all the way through. And the underdog (particularly a veteran one) plays with house money and with all the crowd emotion down the stretch. To me it's a pick-em. Fair enough. But, I think Duke wins easily. |
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 18, 2016 12:23:21 GMT -5
Remember when Markel took on and beat the press of the soon-to-be national champion Louisville Cardinals in 2013? Only one turnover against one of the best defensive pressure teams in recent memory. Right. And I don't think it's unfair to say that the staff thought that Tre may be a guy that would develop into someone that had excellent handle, could deal with a press, and (given his seeming quickness) could take guys off the dribble when need be. Hasn't happened. May never happen. May well have been an error in recruiting judgment. But it's not a flaw in philosophy. Or a lack of understanding the "modern" game. Right. Everyone can see that Tre was awful this year, but I won't believe anyone that says they thought he would be this bad as a sophomore after his play as a freshman unless they can show me a time-stamped post. He went from a decent back-up to unplayable, which was completely unexpected. |
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Post by kchoya on Mar 18, 2016 12:24:42 GMT -5
Watching Purdue kick that game away just re-enforces how important it is that a team have a capable point guard. It got so bad for Purdue that they were not even putting a point guard on the floor at the end of the game when they needed someone to control the pace and get them into their offense. It killed Georgetown all year and killed Purdue last night. You don't need a star at the point, but you need a capable player who can defend on the perimeter and make sure your team gets good shots on every possession . If that player can also make shots then that is great, but not as important as the first two qualities. But that's not how JT3 views it, but you know that. He doesn't even recognize what a traditional PG is. Maybe, after 10 years of try, try again, Stubborn Thompson the Third is adjusting? Recruiting Lykes is busting several of JT3's recruiting checklist items. It's good to have job security at $3M so you can try to see if that square peg really, really does not fit in that round hole. You're right. I'm glad JT3 is finally getting away from his habit of trying to have non-traditional PG's run the team. How much longer do we have to suffer through the parade of players like Jon Wallace, Chris Wright and Markel Starks playing PG for Georgetown? Great post prhoya! |
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Post by kchoya on Mar 18, 2016 12:27:15 GMT -5
This season couldn't get any worse. When GTown stops play BBall for the season due to early exit I got into a BBall hide out. Don't want hear or see any commentary or highlights of how disappointing the performance was. Well this season is even worse due to the fact the GTown didn't even make the tourney so I went into hiding much earlier. Didn't even watch selection show or fill out bracket. Through the grapevine I accidentally heard the Cuse made the dance. But today while looking at today's matches because I do like watching the underdogs win, I find out that Wisconsin made the dance as well. WTF!! WTF!!! Wisconsin. OMG. The JTIII discussion thread need to stop and a Player's discussion thread needs to start. The players need to look in the mirror or go to the Wizard and find some heart. I think finding that out is worse than when GTown had beaten all the team in the Final 4 that year, Duke won and they had the 1st round exit to Ohio. This season just keeping getting worse. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH(Charlie brown scream.) Dude, no one understands what you just said. Maybe you should go back to that "BBall hide out." |
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 18, 2016 12:42:29 GMT -5
Right. And I don't think it's unfair to say that the staff thought that Tre may be a guy that would develop into someone that had excellent handle, could deal with a press, and (given his seeming quickness) could take guys off the dribble when need be. Hasn't happened. May never happen. May well have been an error in recruiting judgment. But it's not a flaw in philosophy. Or a lack of understanding the "modern" game. Right. Everyone can see that Tre was awful this year, but I won't believe anyone that says they thought he would be this bad as a sophomore after his play as a freshman unless they can show me a time-stamped post. He went from a decent back-up to unplayable, which was completely unexpected. Why do we only have 1 true PG on the roster? Don't say anything about DSR being a PG, he's never really been one. Its not like Tre was some huge recruit, even if everyone thought he was going to be better than he has been so far. The PG is the most important player in the game now and to only have 1 on roster is inexcusable. |
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 18, 2016 12:51:57 GMT -5
To get this thread back on topic, damn Cuse blowing out Dayton in the second half, up 20.
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 18, 2016 12:54:34 GMT -5
Dayton looks atrocious. I can't believe Cuse is gonna get a tourney win this year when they shouldn't even have been in it. If the somehow beat MSU, I'll lose my mind.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 18, 2016 12:59:55 GMT -5
The thing about Cuse is that if you've never seen the zone, you're going to have a hard time passing or penetrating through it. It's just different from what you've seen before, even if you've played teams that play some zone. Which means you have to hit a bunch of threes.
So, they're always going to be a threat to win a game or two in the NCAAT. But their style of play also makes it hard for them to win a bunch because someone is going to get hot from three.
N.B.: As "Commissioner" of my bracket, I give everyone a free point in whatever game Syracuse is in. You pick against them and lose? You still get a point.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 18, 2016 13:01:46 GMT -5
You think so? I was shocked by that game. Baylor didnt take advantage of any advantage they had. I think Coach K wont make the same mistake. The underdog role will work against Duke, Im sure, but they will score tons. Yale absolutely can out-rebound Duke, just as they did Baylor. They were right with them on the boards at Duke, and 12 of Duke's boards were Amile Jefferson. Duke is a different team without him. Combine that with the fact that Yale's strength is in the interior (Duke's weakness) and I think Yale will be able to score plenty. What happens if Plumlee gets in foul trouble? (That kid who is Yale's PG hit some clutch shots and was money at the line, but he actually didn't shoot well overall from three. He probably won't get as many opportunities to shoot FTs, but he can certainly play close to as well.) And as that article points out, Duke came out with that 1-3-1 at Duke that flummoxed them. They'll be fully prepared. Can they defend Duke? Probably not. But they may be able to defend Duke better than Duke can defend them. Let's put it this way: unless Duke shoots the lights out from three (which is certainly possible), I think it's a game all the way through. And the underdog (particularly a veteran one) plays with house money and with all the crowd emotion down the stretch. To me it's a pick-em. I think Duke blows out Yale after a close first 10 minutes. Coach K has the refs in his pocket, no way Yale gets any 50/50 calls. Usually if Duke does not go down in Round 1, they make the Sweet 16. Rare they lose in the second round, I think WVU may have beaten several years ago but that is about it. |
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 18, 2016 13:01:54 GMT -5
The thing about Cuse is that if you've never seen the zone, you're going to have a hard time passing or penetrating through it. It's just different from what you've seen before, even if you've played teams that play some zone. Which means you have to hit a bunch of threes. So, they're always going to be a threat to win a game or two in the NCAAT. But their style of play also makes it hard for them to win a bunch because someone is going to get hot from three. N.B.: As "Commissioner" of my bracket, I give everyone a free point in whatever game Syracuse is in. You pick against them and lose? You still get a point. Funny thing though was that Dayton did a good job in the first half in breaking down the zone. The Flyers missed 4 or 5 layups and dunks in that half. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 18, 2016 13:18:04 GMT -5
Dayton looks atrocious. I can't believe Cuse is gonna get a tourney win this year when they shouldn't even have been in it. If the somehow beat MSU, I'll lose my mind. It's disappointing that Syracuse is going to win. But, I would also note that Archie Miller is often one of the potential coaches touted by many, and he's getting crushed by a 10 seed in the first round of the tournament. |
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 18, 2016 13:21:26 GMT -5
The thing about Cuse is that if you've never seen the zone, you're going to have a hard time passing or penetrating through it. It's just different from what you've seen before, even if you've played teams that play some zone. Which means you have to hit a bunch of threes. So, they're always going to be a threat to win a game or two in the NCAAT. But their style of play also makes it hard for them to win a bunch because someone is going to get hot from three. N.B.: As "Commissioner" of my bracket, I give everyone a free point in whatever game Syracuse is in. You pick against them and lose? You still get a point. Funny thing though was that Dayton did a good job in the first half in breaking down the zone. The Flyers missed 4 or 5 layups and dunks in that half. Agree. But they didn't get a lot of those hi-low uncontested dunks that you often see by teams that can break down the Cuse zone well. So, because they weren't quite as comfortable, they got a lot of layups that were contested. And the thing is, against that zone, you get the contest from strange places that you aren't used to as a big man going up. I'm not saying Dayton couldn't (or shouldn't) have made them. Just that this is all part of what you see from a team that hasn't seen it before. And you can't really prepare for it from tape or simulate it in practice. |
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 18, 2016 13:30:33 GMT -5
Right. Everyone can see that Tre was awful this year, but I won't believe anyone that says they thought he would be this bad as a sophomore after his play as a freshman unless they can show me a time-stamped post. He went from a decent back-up to unplayable, which was completely unexpected. Why do we only have 1 true PG on the roster? Don't say anything about DSR being a PG, he's never really been one. Its not like Tre was some huge recruit, even if everyone thought he was going to be better than he has been so far. The PG is the most important player in the game now and to only have 1 on roster is inexcusable. We were in on lead guards the past couple of years. Didn't get them. Again, that may be a failure of recruiting, but it's not a failure of philosophy. So, at some point, after you strike out and when you look at the options, you say to yourself that you expect in 15-16 that you'll have a sophomore Tre that will have gotten significant minutes his freshmen year ready to provide steady (if unspectacular) play for 20 MPG. And you have a senior in DSR that, while not a pure, penetrating PG, can certainly play the secondary minutes at that position. And you are bringing in a freshman in Johnson and have someone like LJ (or Paul) that can handle the ball-handling in a pinch. So, after you don't get your top targets, you ask yourself whether or not the folks out there are better options. In retrospect they would have been, but that's really because Tre was so bad. Not because DSR was your secondary option. Would we rather have gotten a decent PG as a freshman this year instead of Agau? I think definitely yes. But that's hindsight. |
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Post by royski on Mar 18, 2016 13:55:27 GMT -5
Our old friend Stephen Domingo is getting some key minutes for Cal with many players in foul trouble.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 18, 2016 13:59:11 GMT -5
Why do we only have 1 true PG on the roster? Don't say anything about DSR being a PG, he's never really been one. Its not like Tre was some huge recruit, even if everyone thought he was going to be better than he has been so far. The PG is the most important player in the game now and to only have 1 on roster is inexcusable. We were in on lead guards the past couple of years. Didn't get them. Again, that may be a failure of recruiting, but it's not a failure of philosophy. So, at some point, after you strike out and when you look at the options, you say to yourself that you expect in 15-16 that you'll have a sophomore Tre that will have gotten significant minutes his freshmen year ready to provide steady (if unspectacular) play for 20 MPG. And you have a senior in DSR that, while not a pure, penetrating PG, can certainly play the secondary minutes at that position. And you are bringing in a freshman in Johnson and have someone like LJ (or Paul) that can handle the ball-handling in a pinch. So, after you don't get your top targets, you ask yourself whether or not the folks out there are better options. In retrospect they would have been, but that's really because Tre was so bad. Not because DSR was your secondary option. Would we rather have gotten a decent PG as a freshman this year instead of Agau? I think definitely yes. But that's hindsight. I disagree with most of what you said and unfortunately I think its the philosophy that JT3 has. The we have other guys that "can" handle PG duties is a bad one. None of these guys can drive and dribble and none can stay in front of true PG. To bring this on topic every "upset" that happened yesterday the lower seeded team had the better PG. The PG is the #1 most important position in the game now and its not close. I am not talk a guy that can handle a press. I am talking about the guy that can penetrate, dish and play D. You have to over recruit PG not under recruit if but I don't think JT3 values it enough. I agree Tre is supposed to be that guy and so far he is a recruiting miss which happens, but your philosophy of taking Agau over another pure PG is baffling to me. You just cant put all your eggs of the most important position in a guy who was not an elite prospect. I think this team could have been slightly better if Agau wouldve played, but been significantly better if we had anyone that could drive and defend. |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 18, 2016 14:02:16 GMT -5
But that's not how JT3 views it, but you know that. He doesn't even recognize what a traditional PG is. Maybe, after 10 years of try, try again, Stubborn Thompson the Third is adjusting? Recruiting Lykes is busting several of JT3's recruiting checklist items. It's good to have job security at $3M so you can try to see if that square peg really, really does not fit in that round hole. You're right. I'm glad JT3 is finally getting away from his habit of trying to have non-traditional PG's run the team. How much longer do we have to suffer through the parade of players like Jon Wallace, Chris Wright and Markel Starks playing PG for Georgetown? I like those players and want more. The point is they are not PGs and JT3 does not play with a traditional PG. He has said so various times. But, that might be changing. Those posters who would like a more traditional PG playing a PG role can only hope. |
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