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Post by prhoya on Mar 18, 2016 14:54:25 GMT -5
I mean, do you really think JTIII sees a guy that can beat his man off the dribble, score with both hands, and pass and says "Nope. Can't help us at Georgetown"  No, he offers them. But then my question to you is Why do you think they don't come? Or, why does JT3 have difficulty in getting them? And when he does, like with Tre, he is an average (if we can get there because of the very small sample) penetrator? |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 18, 2016 14:56:08 GMT -5
Guys - there is a recruiting thread, a coaching thread and this, the NCAA thread. Can you PLEASE take all this stuff that I am trying to avoid, the coach bashing and amateur analytics crud, and put it where it belongs so that those of us who want no part of that can come here to read, you know, about NCAA games? Shouldn't be too much to ask since there can be no confusion - we are not in the NCAAs, so this thread should not be about our team, our coach, what a PG is or isn't etc. PLEASE! Gotcha! Are you watching it? Too painful for me. |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 18, 2016 14:57:10 GMT -5
Tre is not average. He's just developing. The problem is we have to do a better job of recruiting each and every year to mix in the young with the more experienced.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 18, 2016 15:01:56 GMT -5
Sparty trying to fight their way back but MTSU is hanging tough. I think Valentine is a PG, no?  |
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Post by beenaround on Mar 18, 2016 15:03:17 GMT -5
The "bull in a china shop" who could not pass once his mind was made up that he was going to penetrate and put the ball up? Well, he is in the top 15 all freaking time in Georgetown history in assists per game played. And I believe he is in the top 10 in assists to turnovers. Those are the sorts of things you look for in a point guard, no? Again, he wasn't perfect. He did make his mind up to shoot a bunch. But he WAS a pure point guard. And was recruited to be one. I'm not sure there can be any reasonable dispute on this point. I mean, do you really think JTIII sees a guy that can beat his man off the dribble, score with both hands, and pass and says "Nope. Can't help us at Georgetown" I think the issue is not necessarily that III doesn't want the highly rated PG's who can create. It is that they do not want to come to Gtown, because of the philosophy, real or imagined, that the offense is run by many people, including the big guys (which helps recruit some big guys, btw.) I would be shocked if that did not turn away point guards, just as we feel the Big Man U rep brings in good big guys who can also pass. Obviously, C Wright was a MCD AA Point guard and a great get by III. Markel was definitely a PG, with a great handle and shot. But he was not really a creator, at least in terms of breaking down the defense and finding open teammates. He could, of course create his own shot. Market was ranked around 75-80 by most services and should count as a solid pg recruit by III, in my opinion. As a matter of interest, I have a friend on the coaching staff of the Wizards. I recall they had Markel in for a workout, pre-draft. He told me that "Markel is a great kid with a lot of talent. Unfortunately, we are looking for a backup PG and Georgetown runs an offense that does not really utilize a real point guard. He probably could not fill that role for us" Now..you guys can debate the truth of that statement...but that is the perception of a pretty sharp basketball guy, who may just know a bit more about the game than most of us. |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 18, 2016 15:05:26 GMT -5
Sparty trying to fight their way back but MTSU is hanging tough. I think Valentine is a PG, no? I bet he had a talk with Izzo about it  |
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Post by bmartin on Mar 18, 2016 15:05:58 GMT -5
Sparty trying to fight their way back but MTSU is hanging tough. I think Valentine is a PG, no? Go Empty Sue! |
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Post by kchoya on Mar 18, 2016 15:11:45 GMT -5
I don't agree. Has the program had a "real" PG in the last 40 years? If so, who? Yes, but we're sticking to the JT3 years since he is the coach and 'his "offensive system". Are you intentionally trying to be obtuse, or are you just that dumb? Let me break it down for you: You claim there have been no "traditional" PG's that have played for JT3 at GU. Multiple posters immediately point to Wallace, Wright and Starks as three examples to rebut your contention. You say those three players are not "traditional" PG's, but rather some human/bull hybrids that don't know how to pass. NYChoya94 asks the logical follow-up question: "Has the program had a 'real' PG in the last 40 years?" which translates into "If neither Wallace, Wright nor Starks are a 'traditional' PG, then under the prhoya definition of a 'traditional' PG, Georgetown hasn't had a 'traditional' PG in the past 40 years." Make sense now? |
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Post by bmartin on Mar 18, 2016 15:15:18 GMT -5
So Stephen Domingo has now been on the court at the end of NCAA tournament losses to a 15-seed and a 13-seed.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 18, 2016 15:20:29 GMT -5
Yes, but we're sticking to the JT3 years since he is the coach and 'his "offensive system". Are you intentionally trying to be obtuse, or are you just that dumb? Let me break it down for you: You claim there have been no "traditional" PG's that have played for JT3 at GU. Multiple posters immediately point to Wallace, Wright and Starks as three examples to rebut your contention. You say those three players are not "traditional" PG's, but rather some human/bull hybrids that don't know how to pass. NYChoya94 asks the logical follow-up question: "Has the program had a 'real' PG in the last 40 years?" which translates into "If neither Wallace, Wright nor Starks are a 'traditional' PG, then under the prhoya definition of a 'traditional' PG, Georgetown hasn't had a 'traditional' PG in the past 40 years." Make sense now? My answer to 94: Yes, we've had traditional PGs prior to JT3's era. I'm not going to ask you if you're obstuse and/or that dumb. |
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Post by kchoya on Mar 18, 2016 15:20:59 GMT -5
Great, now Maryland gets to Play 13-seed Hawaii in the next round.
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Post by beenaround on Mar 18, 2016 15:21:07 GMT -5
So Cal has lost to a 13 seed. This does not help me with the many Twerp fans in my neighborhood, and makes their path to the Sweet 16 pretty dam easy.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 18, 2016 15:21:24 GMT -5
Are you intentionally trying to be obtuse, or are you just that dumb? Let me break it down for you: You claim there have been no "traditional" PG's that have played for JT3 at GU. Multiple posters immediately point to Wallace, Wright and Starks as three examples to rebut your contention. You say those three players are not "traditional" PG's, but rather some human/bull hybrids that don't know how to pass. NYChoya94 asks the logical follow-up question: "Has the program had a 'real' PG in the last 40 years?" which translates into "If neither Wallace, Wright nor Starks are a 'traditional' PG, then under the prhoya definition of a 'traditional' PG, Georgetown hasn't had a 'traditional' PG in the past 40 years." Make sense now? My answer to 94: Yes, we've had traditional PGs prior to JT3's era. Who? |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 18, 2016 15:24:10 GMT -5
My answer to 94: Yes, we've had traditional PGs prior to JT3's era. Who? You will not find one under JT3 (up to now). But those were great players for JT3's "system" and would love to have them back. I don't agree. Has the program had a "real" PG in the last 40 years? If so, who? Yes, but we're sticking to the JT3 years since he is the coach and 'his "offensive system". |
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 18, 2016 15:24:55 GMT -5
This is where the March conflicts of interest get very annoying. A Michigan State loss would be entertaining, but it would also give Syracuse a bye into the Sweet 16. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Post by triplehoya09 on Mar 18, 2016 15:28:29 GMT -5
Not the best showing for the Pac 12
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Post by Thomas on Mar 18, 2016 15:30:46 GMT -5
So will Maryland lose to South Dakota State in about 20 minutes or to Hawaii on Sunday?? And which defeat will be more crushing for them? With the way their season has gone(starting out with their highest ranking since the back-to-back Final 4's/National Championship Years in 2001/2002 and being ranked in the top 5 for the first half of the season to ending up as a 5 seed)they are going to lose one of these games, and Turgeon goes back on the hot seat.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 18, 2016 15:33:26 GMT -5
Not the best showing for the Pac 12 Yes, five of their (inflated) seven are down already. |
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Post by beenaround on Mar 18, 2016 15:34:17 GMT -5
So will Maryland lose to South Dakota State in about 20 minutes or to Hawaii on Sunday?? And which defeat will be more crushing for them? With the way their season has gone(starting out with their highest ranking since the back-to-back Final 4's/National Championship Years in 2001/2002 and being ranked in the top 5 for the first half of the season to ending up as a 5 seed)they are going to lose one of these games, and Turgeon goes back on the hot seat. Please be right. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 18, 2016 15:50:39 GMT -5
Hawaii will challenge UMD if they survive. Now we really need Middle Tennessee to take it to Cuse. Sparty pulled a Hoyas. That is an official word in the Merriam Webster dictionary.
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