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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 9, 2015 19:57:07 GMT -5
If we hadn't lost to Radford, we would be ranked now. No point in complaining. We did it to ourselves, and it's up to us to fix it.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 10, 2015 13:10:50 GMT -5
We lost to Radford at home. We don't deserve to be ranked. Keep winning. Apparently you stopped watching after the Radford game. That's the only possible explanation for such a stupid statement. |
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 10, 2015 14:00:54 GMT -5
hmmm who won that cuse game and didnt cuse ALSO lose to wisconsin WHOM WE BEAT right? just saying 78-4 yhmmmmmmmmmmmymymymymymymymym
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Post by kchoya on Dec 11, 2015 13:56:54 GMT -5
We lost to Radford at home. We don't deserve to be ranked. Keep winning. So, if we hadn't lost to Radford, and the rest of the games would've turned out the same, do you think we would be "deserving" of a top-25 ranking? |
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Post by FrostbackHoya on Dec 11, 2015 14:10:54 GMT -5
warrennolan.com/basketball/2016/schedule/GeorgetownI wouldn't rank us, particularly if I'm not a close watcher of the Big East and I'm going by RPI. Loss to a 200+ school, no top 50 wins, RPI in the 100s. Our 'big wins' are a suspect Orange w/o Boeheim and a Wisconsin team that's not thought of as too powerful, either. Y'all need to take off the B&G shades.
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Post by seaweed on Dec 11, 2015 14:18:11 GMT -5
warrennolan.com/basketball/2016/schedule/GeorgetownI wouldn't rank us, particularly if I'm not a close watcher of the Big East and I'm going by RPI. Loss to a 200+ school, no top 50 wins, RPI in the 100s. Our 'big wins' are a suspect Orange w/o Boeheim and a Wisconsin team that's not thought of as too powerful, either. Y'all need to take off the B&G shades. I wouldn't either, if I believed in RPI enough to buy that Duke is the 15th best team, UMD the 35th and Wisco the 95th and S'cuse was the 73rd best team in the country. You don't have to be a master mathematician to see that RPI is currently meaningless. |
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 11, 2015 14:24:11 GMT -5
warrennolan.com/basketball/2016/schedule/GeorgetownI wouldn't rank us, particularly if I'm not a close watcher of the Big East and I'm going by RPI. Loss to a 200+ school, no top 50 wins, RPI in the 100s. Our 'big wins' are a suspect Orange w/o Boeheim and a Wisconsin team that's not thought of as too powerful, either. Y'all need to take off the B&G shades. I wouldn't either, if I believed in RPI enough to buy that Duke is the 15th best team, UMD the 35th and Wisco the 95th and S'cuse was the 73rd best team in the country. You don't have to be a master mathematician to see that RPI is currently meaningless. The good news is we should be ranked after we beat the #15 RPI team this weekend. What a GREAT win it will be!!!!! /s |
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Post by kchoya on Dec 11, 2015 14:42:24 GMT -5
warrennolan.com/basketball/2016/schedule/GeorgetownI wouldn't rank us, particularly if I'm not a close watcher of the Big East and I'm going by RPI. Loss to a 200+ school, no top 50 wins, RPI in the 100s. Our 'big wins' are a suspect Orange w/o Boeheim and a Wisconsin team that's not thought of as too powerful, either. Y'all need to take off the B&G shades. How about this: you've actually watched all the games GU has played (I assume, otherwise, why are you commenting)? Does Georgetown look like one of the top 25 teams in the country? You don't have to be wearing B&G shades to think that they are. |
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Post by FrostbackHoya on Dec 11, 2015 14:52:51 GMT -5
It's two different things, whether they're a strong basketball team (they are) and whether you should be surprised they're not ranked, which is what you're whingeing about.
And to say that RPI is useless right now? Of course it is. But so are the top 25 rankings. All I'm saying is relax, it'll come, but to expect a ranking this week was silly.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 11, 2015 15:03:05 GMT -5
We're a three-loss team; no three loss teams are currently ranked. The only two-loss teams across both polls are Gonzaga (pre-season top 10, losses to Texas A&M and ranked Arizona; RPI 52, SOS 63), Vandy* (started 5-0, losses to ranked Kansas and Baylor; RPI 34, SOS 29), and Texas A&M (losses to 'Cuse and AZ St., started 6-0 including a win over 'Zaga; RPI 118). [*obviously I'm not counting their third loss, to Dayton, from 12/9]. By contrast, the Hoyas have not been ranked at all this season or pre-season, started 1-3 including the loss to RPI 240 Radford, and have an RPI of 120, SOS of 118. Our RPI is lower than #100 Incarnate Word, who are 0-4 (yep, that's for real. IW happens to boast the #1 SOS at the moment). We all know how it is with the Top 25: it's a lot harder to get in or move up than to fall out or move down, especially when you're an RPI 101-200. And sure, RPI (especially this early) may be meaningless, but it's still an indicator folks look at when deciding how to vote, so its existence is at least germane to this discussion. But let's assume we had beaten Raford, and all other outcomes were the same. We'd be sitting at 6-2 with our only losses to highly-ranked teams. Even as we sit at 5-3, Sports Illustrated rates Georgetown #29 in its Power Index. I've pretty much always thought of the human polls as lagging indicators, so maybe starting 2-2 instead of 1-3 keeps us out, maybe we're in the 20-25 range. Somebody with more math skill want to calculate what our RPI would have been in that scenario? As things stand, my gut says we need to win out in December play to even sniff the top 25. BUT THAT'S OK! With the way we're playing, I think we'll sneak up on teams. I'd rather be the underdog than the over...uh...cat. Overcat. Yeah. |
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 11, 2015 16:54:06 GMT -5
It's simple. We have a 3 and until more teams that are ranked get 2s and 3s in their records we will not even be considered. Which is why I said in my previous post that it won't happen until after we beat Nova. Most of the ranked teams will not start getting more Ls until conference play begins. But we can't afford anymore loses to suspect teams if we want to be ranked. So we must handle UNCW, Monmouth, DePaul, Creighton and St. John's............
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 11, 2015 18:32:42 GMT -5
The good news is we should be ranked after we beat the #15 RPI team this weekend. What a GREAT win it will be!!!!! /s Very, very unlikely. Wilmington is high in RPI now, but they won't at the end of the year (just as we will be much higher by the end of the year). A win over Wilmington will not impress anybody - KenPom says we are 89% to win. It's a game we should and have to win. As for ranking, I think we need to go on a winning streak up to the first Villanova game - that might get us there - of course, beating Villanova after a winning streak preceding it would easily be enough to be ranked. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 11, 2015 20:27:44 GMT -5
2003, I smell a tongue planted firmly within a cheek on hoyainla's post.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 11, 2015 20:37:22 GMT -5
2003, I smell a tongue planted firmly within a cheek on hoyainla's post. Smelling tongues is weird. |
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Post by royski on Dec 12, 2015 1:27:30 GMT -5
We lost to Radford at home. We don't deserve to be ranked. Keep winning. So, if we hadn't lost to Radford, and the rest of the games would've turned out the same, do you think we would be "deserving" of a top-25 ranking? Maybe. It's almost like winning and losing matters. Crazy, right? |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 12, 2015 10:25:27 GMT -5
2003, I smell a tongue planted firmly within a cheek on hoyainla's post. You know, when I was writing it I was wondering about that. I guess the problem is people really do write things like that! Oops. |
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Post by FrostbackHoya on Dec 13, 2015 9:30:30 GMT -5
We're a three-loss team; no three loss teams are currently ranked. The only two-loss teams across both polls are Gonzaga (pre-season top 10, losses to Texas A&M and ranked Arizona; RPI 52, SOS 63), Vandy* (started 5-0, losses to ranked Kansas and Baylor; RPI 34, SOS 29), and Texas A&M (losses to 'Cuse and AZ St., started 6-0 including a win over 'Zaga; RPI 118). [*obviously I'm not counting their third loss, to Dayton, from 12/9]. By contrast, the Hoyas have not been ranked at all this season or pre-season, started 1-3 including the loss to RPI 240 Radford, and have an RPI of 120, SOS of 118. Our RPI is lower than #100 Incarnate Word, who are 0-4 (yep, that's for real. IW happens to boast the #1 SOS at the moment). We all know how it is with the Top 25: it's a lot harder to get in or move up than to fall out or move down, especially when you're an RPI 101-200. And sure, RPI (especially this early) may be meaningless, but it's still an indicator folks look at when deciding how to vote, so its existence is at least germane to this discussion. But let's assume we had beaten Raford, and all other outcomes were the same. We'd be sitting at 6-2 with our only losses to highly-ranked teams. Even as we sit at 5-3, Sports Illustrated rates Georgetown #29 in its Power Index. I've pretty much always thought of the human polls as lagging indicators, so maybe starting 2-2 instead of 1-3 keeps us out, maybe we're in the 20-25 range. Somebody with more math skill want to calculate what our RPI would have been in that scenario? As things stand, my gut says we need to win out in December play to even sniff the top 25. BUT THAT'S OK! With the way we're playing, I think we'll sneak up on teams. I'd rather be the underdog than the over...uh...cat. Overcat. Yeah. So, pretty funny to see us rise 20 points in RPI after a game that probably hurt our Top 25 chances. Also, the whole RPI thing is still not well connected - Big East is #2 conference, but it's a stars & scrubs ranking - we play no one in the Top 100 from now until 'Nova, including Big East games. On to Monmouth! |
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 14, 2015 19:59:06 GMT -5
Haven't seen the new rankings, but my guess is that the Crushed Orange will now get zero votes after their loss to St. John's. And we probably didn't help ourselves a whole lot either, with that near gagathon.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 15, 2015 12:50:53 GMT -5
Haven't seen the new rankings, but my guess is that the Crushed Orange will now get zero votes after their loss to St. John's. And we probably didn't help ourselves a whole lot either, with that near gagathon. We got 8 votes in the AP and 6 in the Coaches' (good for #35 and #42). Cuse got 3 and 12, respectively. Just keep winning (and not letting 25-point second-half leads fizzle out!) |
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Post by Filo on Dec 15, 2015 16:42:35 GMT -5
I am a pretty big college bball fan, but I am not sure it would come across my radar that a team ranked in the 25-50 range (other than GU) had a good lead that they almost blew against a lesser (but previously undefeated) team. In other words, I highly doubt that the Hoya performance against UNC-W negatively impacted the team's placement with the vast majority of voters.
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