Marcus Derrickson

[MCIGuy]

A game broadcast duo that did a Hoya game earlier this season said that Ewing told them Derrickson was the hardest worker on the team. Lives in the gym.

[calhoya]

Ewing is just what MD needed to kick start his development again. Felt as if he stalled last year.

[hoyalove4ever]

Also he was hurt last year...

[GIGAFAN99]

Jan 4, 2018 9:20:49 GMT -5 hoyalove4ever said:

Also he was hurt last year...

This is a great point. While I think MD is benefitting from the extra "attention" from PE, I think a lot of his development is not being injured and being a year older. There's this tendency to assign all development to the coach, especially a new coach. With Govan, it's pretty clear Ewing has had an enormous influence; mostly because his offensive game so closely resembles Pat's with the Knicks that it would be hard to imagine that happening by chance. But MD has a lot of factors in his development right now and he is poised to be a great senior next year on his current trajectory.

[michaelgrahmstylie]

Jan 3, 2018 22:57:30 GMT -5 SaxaCD said:

Jan 3, 2018 8:47:28 GMT -5 aleutianhoya said:

He needs to be first or second on the team in attempts for the team to be successful, and that requires some aggression on his part.

But I disagree on the step back, for the same reasons Coach did. I don't think the problem was that he took a shot there (and was aggressive). Or even that he faded away while taking it. The problem was that he could have been aggressive and taken a shot by using a move that he's more comfortable with. I don't think I've ever seen him take a shot that looked like that; apparently, coach hadn't either, so it's not like he's been working on it.

One of the things I've been happy with regarding this offense is that players are being put in positions to repeat plays they can successfully complete. Jesse and Marcus on the blocks in similar spots. Jamorko in the corner. Etc.

Looked to me like he thought shot clock going to "10" was shot clock going to "0". I understand coach's point, though -- if you look at that replay, he faded away 1 on 2. Somebody's gotta be in a better position there to shoot. I think your last point is right on. Ewing has mentioned numerous times that he's trying to break some bad habits and instill some "muscle memory" so guys can just go play without thinking about things too much. He wants Marcus to go to a money move or pass it in that spot, not freelance, because that does nothing to build reps for the right play. But I think Marcus thought shot clock was expiring. At least I hope so, it would explain things more. Pat's pushing him hard, and I hope Marcus accepts it the right way, because he's improving a lot, and could be a beast if he keeps it up. As this went viral and could be embarrassing, I really hope Pat enthusiastically applauds Marcus next game when he's getting things done. Tough but fair!

I agree. Coach needs to catch him doing things the right way now and show love. I hope he has already sat him down and talked man to man about the whole situation.

[justsaying]

Jan 4, 2018 15:30:45 GMT -5 michaelgrahmstylie said:

Jan 3, 2018 22:57:30 GMT -5 SaxaCD said:

Looked to me like he thought shot clock going to "10" was shot clock going to "0". I understand coach's point, though -- if you look at that replay, he faded away 1 on 2. Somebody's gotta be in a better position there to shoot. I think your last point is right on. Ewing has mentioned numerous times that he's trying to break some bad habits and instill some "muscle memory" so guys can just go play without thinking about things too much. He wants Marcus to go to a money move or pass it in that spot, not freelance, because that does nothing to build reps for the right play. But I think Marcus thought shot clock was expiring. At least I hope so, it would explain things more. Pat's pushing him hard, and I hope Marcus accepts it the right way, because he's improving a lot, and could be a beast if he keeps it up. As this went viral and could be embarrassing, I really hope Pat enthusiastically applauds Marcus next game when he's getting things done. Tough but fair!

I agree. Coach needs to catch him doing things the right way now and show love. I hope he has already sat him down and talked man to man about the whole situation.

I just posted this in another thread but i feel the same thought works here.

Be it that Coach E has been there and done that (at a very high level), he knows about talent and Marcus is talented. Whether or not is is work ethnic in practice I do not know for I'm not there during those times. But I do trust Coach E knows when in pressure situations some players may back off the throttle a little or we call it settling. On the one legged jumper that is a point of settling instead of turning to take it to the opponent or trying to draw the foul. Marcus is progressing well and I feel Coach E is wanting him to keep his foot on the throttle not to back off. That is a good thing.

[drquigley]

I've said this before in other threads but I really think coaching incoming big men is a huge challenge. I don't care what level they played at in high school they never faced the size and strength big men in high school they face almost every BE game. I've seen it over and over at high school games, guys like MD and Jesse can score so easily in most HS games that it is hard for them to make the transition to top D1 games. I thought guys like Hopkins and Lubick were prime examples. I could see how Copeland also had an issue with this. I remember how bad Greg Monroe looked freshman year against BE big men. Anyone else at the Pitt game his freshman year? I think it was Butler who literally shoved Monroe all over the paint. That said I think PE is doing exactly what you need to do to these guys and we see it in the development of MD and Govan. Really curious to see the matchups with Delgado of Seton Hall.

[grandmahoya]

It was a bit disturbing at first, to see Pat riding MD so hard. But after thinking about it, Pat knows which players can take the tough criticism and who can't. I think he genuinely cares about MD's role on the team, but more importantly about MD's future. There's an old expression, "Nobody kicks a dead dog!" Kudos to you Pat, for striving to get the best from all of the players. Good luck vs Creighton. This game will be another big test.

[EasyEd]

Jan 4, 2018 16:38:11 GMT -5 drquigley said:

I've said this before in other threads but I really think coaching incoming big men is a huge challenge. I don't care what level they played at in high school they never faced the size and strength big men in high school they face almost every BE game. I've seen it over and over at high school games, guys like MD and Jesse can score so easily in most HS games that it is hard for them to make the transition to top D1 games. I thought guys like Hopkins and Lubick were prime examples. I could see how Copeland also had an issue with this. I remember how bad Greg Monroe looked freshman year against BE big men. Anyone else at the Pitt game his freshman year? I think it was Butler who literally shoved Monroe all over the paint. That said I think PE is doing exactly what you need to do to these guys and we see it in the development of MD and Govan. Really curious to see the matchups with Delgado of Seton Hall.

I dread Delgado.

[drquigley]

Jan 4, 2018 19:49:05 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

Jan 4, 2018 16:38:11 GMT -5 drquigley said:

I've said this before in other threads but I really think coaching incoming big men is a huge challenge. I don't care what level they played at in high school they never faced the size and strength big men in high school they face almost every BE game. I've seen it over and over at high school games, guys like MD and Jesse can score so easily in most HS games that it is hard for them to make the transition to top D1 games. I thought guys like Hopkins and Lubick were prime examples. I could see how Copeland also had an issue with this. I remember how bad Greg Monroe looked freshman year against BE big men. Anyone else at the Pitt game his freshman year? I think it was Butler who literally shoved Monroe all over the paint. That said I think PE is doing exactly what you need to do to these guys and we see it in the development of MD and Govan. Really curious to see the matchups with Delgado of Seton Hall.

I dread Delgado.

Agree. Delgado will be the real test. I'm sure NBA scouts will be watching too.

[michaelgrahmstylie]

In Pat Ewing, I think the NBA lost out on a great coach, but I think college basketball gained a great coach and mentor to young basketball players.

[FrazierFanatic]

Jan 4, 2018 19:49:05 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

Jan 4, 2018 16:38:11 GMT -5 drquigley said:

I've said this before in other threads but I really think coaching incoming big men is a huge challenge. I don't care what level they played at in high school they never faced the size and strength big men in high school they face almost every BE game. I've seen it over and over at high school games, guys like MD and Jesse can score so easily in most HS games that it is hard for them to make the transition to top D1 games. I thought guys like Hopkins and Lubick were prime examples. I could see how Copeland also had an issue with this. I remember how bad Greg Monroe looked freshman year against BE big men. Anyone else at the Pitt game his freshman year? I think it was Butler who literally shoved Monroe all over the paint. That said I think PE is doing exactly what you need to do to these guys and we see it in the development of MD and Govan. Really curious to see the matchups with Delgado of Seton Hall.

I dread Delgado.

Hoping Jessie plays smart and under control on defense. He can get Delgado in foul trouble with shot fakes, although not his strongest move.

[SaxaCD]

Jan 4, 2018 22:12:33 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Jan 4, 2018 19:49:05 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

I dread Delgado.

Hoping Jessie plays smart and under control on defense. He can get Delgado in foul trouble with shot fakes, although not his strongest move.

Delgado is a beast down low, but he can foul a bit if drawn away from the basket and is trying to contest shots. Hope Jessie can exploit that, but everybody will have to help out on the boards, when they match up.

[tashoya]

Jan 4, 2018 22:39:00 GMT -5 SaxaCD said:

Jan 4, 2018 22:12:33 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Hoping Jessie plays smart and under control on defense. He can get Delgado in foul trouble with shot fakes, although not his strongest move.

Delgado is a beast down low, but he can foul a bit if drawn away from the basket and is trying to contest shots. Hope Jessie can exploit that, but everybody will have to help out on the boards, when they match up.

Agree. Great game for Jessie to stretch him out. I know Patrick wants him to do his work down low but, depending on matchups, Jessie's range can be a dangerous weapon. Delgado is that matchup, IMO.

[MCIGuy]

Jan 4, 2018 19:49:05 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

Jan 4, 2018 16:38:11 GMT -5 drquigley said:

I've said this before in other threads but I really think coaching incoming big men is a huge challenge. I don't care what level they played at in high school they never faced the size and strength big men in high school they face almost every BE game. I've seen it over and over at high school games, guys like MD and Jesse can score so easily in most HS games that it is hard for them to make the transition to top D1 games. I thought guys like Hopkins and Lubick were prime examples. I could see how Copeland also had an issue with this. I remember how bad Greg Monroe looked freshman year against BE big men. Anyone else at the Pitt game his freshman year? I think it was Butler who literally shoved Monroe all over the paint. That said I think PE is doing exactly what you need to do to these guys and we see it in the development of MD and Govan. Really curious to see the matchups with Delgado of Seton Hall.

I dread Delgado.

Why? He isn't some special player. He's simply an undersized center that plays hard on the floor all the time. If he dominates our bigs its only because of his mentality, not ability. So I dread only our bigs not matching his intensity but I at least know they can match his ability. The same cannot be said regarding the elite BE guards we will face. I dread those guys because we don't seem to have the players that can match them at this time.

[lichoya68]

lets get creighton first beat their bulldog go hoyas keep the turnovers under15 and WIN

[glidehoyas (Inactive)]

Jan 4, 2018 15:30:45 GMT -5 michaelgrahmstylie said:

Jan 3, 2018 22:57:30 GMT -5 SaxaCD said:

Looked to me like he thought shot clock going to "10" was shot clock going to "0". I understand coach's point, though -- if you look at that replay, he faded away 1 on 2. Somebody's gotta be in a better position there to shoot. I think your last point is right on. Ewing has mentioned numerous times that he's trying to break some bad habits and instill some "muscle memory" so guys can just go play without thinking about things too much. He wants Marcus to go to a money move or pass it in that spot, not freelance, because that does nothing to build reps for the right play. But I think Marcus thought shot clock was expiring. At least I hope so, it would explain things more. Pat's pushing him hard, and I hope Marcus accepts it the right way, because he's improving a lot, and could be a beast if he keeps it up. As this went viral and could be embarrassing, I really hope Pat enthusiastically applauds Marcus next game when he's getting things done. Tough but fair!

I agree. Coach needs to catch him doing things the right way now and show love. I hope he has already sat him down and talked man to man about the whole situation.

MD had scored 14 before the half. I've said some of the same things about him being embarrassed. I feel as if there's a problem in practice or in games MD should've been talked to one on one. Great coaches do this. Not saying Ewing isn't great but he's growing with team. He's human and probably made a mistake, but do keep pushing our Hoyas, Coach Patrick. When the shot clock is winding the ball should be in your point guard's hands. Our point guard should've gotten chewed out for not going to get the ball from MD to make a better decision on the ball.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Isn’t a lot of this all assumption and guessing? Maybe Ewing did show Derrickson love. Or maybe not. But unless anybody here is in the locker room, we have no idea what’s said, etc.

[glidehoyas (Inactive)]

Jan 7, 2018 15:01:17 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

Isn’t a lot of this all assumption and guessing? Maybe Ewing did show Derrickson love. Or maybe not. But unless anybody here is in the locker room, we have no idea what’s said, etc.

I think it's more knowing the psychology of the game of basketball and these young people and you're right about we have no idea what was said in the locker room, but we know what was said publicly. But any person not just young man would be embarrassed if something like this happened to in front of the world. I know I'd be embarrassed especially after I was playing well and trying to first year coach his first Big East win. I think if MD wasn't playing good and making terrible mistakes the whole game then it may have been legit, but I still think you should talk to your players, if you have issue with them one on one. I'm thinking about MD's feelings, not mines or anyone else's. Ewing probably showed MD some love later on after he thought about it. Normally, this is the case. But, you just never know. Ewing comes from the school of hard knocks lol.

[glidehoyas (Inactive)]

Jan 7, 2018 15:01:17 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

Isn’t a lot of this all assumption and guessing? Maybe Ewing did show Derrickson love. Or maybe not. But unless anybody here is in the locker room, we have no idea what’s said, etc.

SaxaCD