Marcus Derrickson

[glidehoyas (Inactive)]

Jan 3, 2018 9:39:22 GMT -5 bostonfan said:

Jan 3, 2018 8:47:28 GMT -5 aleutianhoya said:

He needs to be first or second on the team in attempts for the team to be successful, and that requires some aggression on his part.

But I disagree on the step back, for the same reasons Coach did. I don't think the problem was that he took a shot there (and was aggressive). Or even that he faded away while taking it. The problem was that he could have been aggressive and taken a shot by using a move that he's more comfortable with. I don't think I've ever seen him take a shot that looked like that; apparently, coach hadn't either, so it's not like he's been working on it.

One of the things I've been happy with regarding this offense is that players are being put in positions to repeat plays they can successfully complete. Jesse and Marcus on the blocks in similar spots. Jamorko in the corner. Etc.

Marcus was really good last night (and really all season) and even though Ewing got on him pretty hard at points I will take what he gave us last night every night. I have to beleive Coach Ewing looks at Marcus and Jessie as not only the teams best players, but also the team leaders and he expects them to play a certain way. He needs them to play within the system the staff is instituting, make the right plays and play the entire game with great effort and focus. If Ewing does not demand that from his best two players, he can't expect that from anyone else on the team. Both of those guys play a lot of minutes and are needed to do pretty much everything for this team to succeed and you can see they both are really tired at points during the game. Marcus made some poor plays and some bad decisions toward the end of the game and I think those plays had alot to do with him being tired, along with getting hit in the face, but I am OK with coach getting on him for those plays. These guys need to embrace the high expectations that the team and staff have for them. I hope Marcus takes the coaching the right way and appreciates that coach Ewing is trying to make him the best player he can be and I am sure Ewing has been around the game long enough to know which players can take criticism and which ones can't. I am happy to see the coach holding the players accountable, even the star players.

Actually it wasn't a bad shot, if it went Ewing would've still jarred at Marcus but not as hard as he did when he missed the shot. Marcus was feeling it coach. lol

[glidehoyas (Inactive)]

Jan 3, 2018 9:31:13 GMT -5 KHoyaNYC said:

The formula for Hoyas on offense is simple. Make sure Govan and Derrickson get touches as many possessions as possible in half court sets, but always look to push the ball up the floor smartly with controlled passing for fast break opportunities when they are there.

In addition to those two, the wildcard player for me is Blair. He can fill up the basket, and I love his instincts and hustle. He will make freshman mistakes but frankly he's too talented to not be on the floor a lot. He will develop.

Been saying this forever. Guards are suppose to know who to go to and when.

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On point as usual...

[EtomicB]

Jan 3, 2018 8:47:28 GMT -5 aleutianhoya said:

Jan 3, 2018 8:17:50 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

I hope Derrickson continues to get 12+ shots per game, he’s too good not to..

To me that one legged step back wasn’t a bad shot, especially in the context that the staff should want him to be aggressive on offense..

He needs to be first or second on the team in attempts for the team to be successful, and that requires some aggression on his part.

But I disagree on the step back, for the same reasons Coach did. I don't think the problem was that he took a shot there (and was aggressive). Or even that he faded away while taking it. The problem was that he could have been aggressive and taken a shot by using a move that he's more comfortable with. I don't think I've ever seen him take a shot that looked like that; apparently, coach hadn't either, so it's not like he's been working on it.

One of the things I've been happy with regarding this offense is that players are being put in positions to repeat plays they can successfully complete. Jesse and Marcus on the blocks in similar spots. Jamorko in the corner. Etc.

It seems to me that MD answered "yes" when PE asked him if he ever worked on that shot.. Otherwise why would PE ask him "when?"

I remembered a video clip where Jeff was showing Otto the step back move that he'd need in the NBA, it's very possible that Derrickson works on that move on his own.. It wasn't like he bricked it..

I haven't re watched the game yet but I'm pretty sure he was bottled up with a low shot clock to contend with also..

If its MD or Govan almost any shot is a good one in my view.. Just keep the ball in their hands as much as possible..

[TrueHoyaBlue]

There were about 8 seconds on the shot clock, IIRC.

[sleepy]

Jan 3, 2018 9:55:24 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Jan 3, 2018 8:47:28 GMT -5 aleutianhoya said:

He needs to be first or second on the team in attempts for the team to be successful, and that requires some aggression on his part.

But I disagree on the step back, for the same reasons Coach did. I don't think the problem was that he took a shot there (and was aggressive). Or even that he faded away while taking it. The problem was that he could have been aggressive and taken a shot by using a move that he's more comfortable with. I don't think I've ever seen him take a shot that looked like that; apparently, coach hadn't either, so it's not like he's been working on it.

One of the things I've been happy with regarding this offense is that players are being put in positions to repeat plays they can successfully complete. Jesse and Marcus on the blocks in similar spots. Jamorko in the corner. Etc.

It seems to me that MD answered "yes" when PE asked him if he ever worked on that shot.. Otherwise why would PE ask him "when?"

I remembered a video clip where Jeff was showing Otto the step back move that he'd need in the NBA, it's very possible that Derrickson works on that move on his own.. It wasn't like he bricked it..

I haven't re watched the game yet but I'm pretty sure he was bottled up with a low shot clock to contend with also..

If its MD or Govan almost any shot is a good one in my view.. Just keep the ball in their hands as much as possible..

I think the point Ewing was making was larger than that one shot. Derrickson has a tendency to coast and settle in general. Clearly Ewing thought Derrickson could have worked harder for a better shot. Was it the worst shot in the world? No. Is it indicative of a larger issue? Yes.

[bostonfan]

Jan 3, 2018 10:23:46 GMT -5 sleepy said:

Jan 3, 2018 9:55:24 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

It seems to me that MD answered "yes" when PE asked him if he ever worked on that shot.. Otherwise why would PE ask him "when?"

I remembered a video clip where Jeff was showing Otto the step back move that he'd need in the NBA, it's very possible that Derrickson works on that move on his own.. It wasn't like he bricked it..

I haven't re watched the game yet but I'm pretty sure he was bottled up with a low shot clock to contend with also..

If its MD or Govan almost any shot is a good one in my view.. Just keep the ball in their hands as much as possible..

I think the point Ewing was making was larger than that one shot. Derrickson has a tendency to coast and settle in general. Clearly Ewing thought Derrickson could have worked harder for a better shot. Was it the worst shot in the world? No. Is it indicative of a larger issue? Yes.

I would agree that coasting at times was an issue with Marcus in past years, but I think he is working much harder this year and showing better focus. Against Marquette he was showing great effort at the end of that game as the Hoyas tried to come back. I think the play that really upset the coach was the play toward the end when he ran out to contest a three pointer and flew by the opposing player, then when the shot was missed he was just standing out of bounds watching the DePaul player get his own rebound for a put back. In fairness to Marcus he was clearly exhausted (and injured from getting hit in the face), but Ewing is trying to develop a culture where giving up on that play is not acceptable.

I think the point about the shot he took that upset the coach was Ewing just knows he can get a better percentage shot than that by attacking the rim and drawing contact and does not want him to settle.

[glidehoyas (Inactive)]

I bet Marcus' dad likes when Ewing gets inside his head! I see Derrickson's sister all the time at work. She probably likes this as well. Everyone needs a mentor even if they have a dad or mom at home.

[Deleted]

The shot was awful in my view. Wether he practices it or not it's not the shot you want. We have a size advantage, coach is stressing to get the ball inside, and when you get a touch you shoot a fadeaway off one foot from the ft line? With 10 seconds on the clock? It lead to a open Struss 3 on the break that he missed.

Pat's response was probably as much for the other players as it was for him. Consistent theme for this year has been when we get a lead we stop doing the things that got us there. That's a habit that needs to be stopped. You have to value every possession and have that killer instinct.

That being said Marcus was excellent last night. He's really starting to show the full package. Kid is too big, strong, and skilled to let defenses off easy like that imo...

[Ranch Dressing]

Disagree with poster above saying Marcus has a tendency to coast. Have not seen much, if any, evidence of that this season. Ewing often has him playing point on the press, Marcus has shown excellent improvement in footwork, lateral quicks, and ability to stay in front of his man on defense, and his offense is much improved this season. He is rebounding on both ends much more consistently.

I think Ewing's in-game coaching point was that Marcus should have recognized 3 defenders in close proximity and made the extra pass to an open teammate - as opposed to jacking up a really tough fade away jumper.

Of course, the even larger coaching/life point is that Ewing sees big development in Marcus this year and is pushing him to achieve even greater things. Love it.

[sleepy]

Jan 3, 2018 12:34:50 GMT -5 Ranch Dressing said:

Disagree with poster above saying Marcus has a tendency to coast. Have not seen much, if any, evidence of that this season. Ewing often has him playing point on the press, Marcus has shown excellent improvement in footwork, lateral quicks, and ability to stay in front of his man on defense, and his offense is much improved this season. He is rebounding on both ends much more consistently.

I think Ewing's in-game coaching point was that Marcus should have recognized 3 defenders in close proximity and made the extra pass to an open teammate - as opposed to jacking up a really tough fade away jumper.

Of course, the even larger coaching/life point is that Ewing sees big development in Marcus this year and is pushing him to achieve even greater things. Love it.

Yes, but I saw two seasons of it before. Maybe moments like that are why he hasn't coasted as much as before?

[dchoya72]

Marcus, is playing at the level I thought he would be at whenI saw him play in high school at Paul VI. He wss a much bigger, dominant guy, at least the time I saw him. I'm glad to see him going inside and not settling for the long ball, although he8s quite good at that. His play is encouraging anbd I believe Pattick will bring out the best of what he has.

[SFHoya99]

Jan 3, 2018 12:34:50 GMT -5 Ranch Dressing said:

Disagree with poster above saying Marcus has a tendency to coast. Have not seen much, if any, evidence of that this season. Ewing often has him playing point on the press, Marcus has shown excellent improvement in footwork, lateral quicks, and ability to stay in front of his man on defense, and his offense is much improved this season. He is rebounding on both ends much more consistently.

I think Ewing's in-game coaching point was that Marcus should have recognized 3 defenders in close proximity and made the extra pass to an open teammate - as opposed to jacking up a really tough fade away jumper.

Of course, the even larger coaching/life point is that Ewing sees big development in Marcus this year and is pushing him to achieve even greater things. Love it.

He coasts a lot on defense and he took 3-4 lazy shots yesterday -- just stuff where it was easier to take something unlikely to hit than work and get a good shot.

This is not unusual, but he will be a better player and we will be a better team if the effort improves. Even if it is just to pass that ball away.

[EtomicB]

After re-watching the play, I have to admit now that it was a terrible shot.. He was a lot further out than I remembered plus he had McCallum on him with plenty of driving space..

That being said, I still don't mind him taking the shot.. I'd much rather see him take that shot than Mosely(who's my favorite player) or Mulmore take 3's..

It looked like PE got on him the 2nd time because he didn't hustle back on D after he had his shot blocked and then ran right by a wide open Cain @ the 3pt line who then hit a 3..

[biggmanu]

I loved Ewing’s “chew out”. I always thought it was bizarre that MD shot 50-60% 3 pointers when he was coached by JT3. For as big and athletic as he is he could easily get many more high percentage shots. No idea why that adjustment wasn’t made his sophomore year. I hope Ewing continues to encourage him to find the higher percentage shots and get the most out of his talent. I am a big JT3 supporter and wasn’t too happy about the decision to move on. But this type of animated coaching on the sideline is starting to make me very happy with Ewing.

[SaxaCD]

Jan 3, 2018 8:47:28 GMT -5 aleutianhoya said:

Jan 3, 2018 8:17:50 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

I hope Derrickson continues to get 12+ shots per game, he’s too good not to..

To me that one legged step back wasn’t a bad shot, especially in the context that the staff should want him to be aggressive on offense..

He needs to be first or second on the team in attempts for the team to be successful, and that requires some aggression on his part.

But I disagree on the step back, for the same reasons Coach did. I don't think the problem was that he took a shot there (and was aggressive). Or even that he faded away while taking it. The problem was that he could have been aggressive and taken a shot by using a move that he's more comfortable with. I don't think I've ever seen him take a shot that looked like that; apparently, coach hadn't either, so it's not like he's been working on it.

One of the things I've been happy with regarding this offense is that players are being put in positions to repeat plays they can successfully complete. Jesse and Marcus on the blocks in similar spots. Jamorko in the corner. Etc.

Looked to me like he thought shot clock going to "10" was shot clock going to "0". I understand coach's point, though -- if you look at that replay, he faded away 1 on 2. Somebody's gotta be in a better position there to shoot. I think your last point is right on. Ewing has mentioned numerous times that he's trying to break some bad habits and instill some "muscle memory" so guys can just go play without thinking about things too much. He wants Marcus to go to a money move or pass it in that spot, not freelance, because that does nothing to build reps for the right play. But I think Marcus thought shot clock was expiring. At least I hope so, it would explain things more. Pat's pushing him hard, and I hope Marcus accepts it the right way, because he's improving a lot, and could be a beast if he keeps it up. As this went viral and could be embarrassing, I really hope Pat enthusiastically applauds Marcus next game when he's getting things done. Tough but fair!

[SaxaCD]

Jan 3, 2018 12:19:49 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

The shot was awful in my view. Wether he practices it or not it's not the shot you want. We have a size advantage, coach is stressing to get the ball inside, and when you get a touch you shoot a fadeaway off one foot from the ft line? With 10 seconds on the clock? It lead to a open Struss 3 on the break that he missed.

Pat's response was probably as much for the other players as it was for him. Consistent theme for this year has been when we get a lead we stop doing the things that got us there. That's a habit that needs to be stopped. You have to value every possession and have that killer instinct.

That being said Marcus was excellent last night. He's really starting to show the full package. Kid is too big, strong, and skilled to let defenses off easy like that imo...

I think right now some kids on the team are confusing "killer instinct" with "tough dagger shot", when it's really more about grinding grinding grinding with what got you the lead to begin with. I think that's one of the biggest things Ewing is trying to impress on them -- it's not the one great shot that puts a team away, it's the relentless hard work to keep getting the best shot. The team hasn't really been used to winning a lot of league games over the past few years, so Ewing is basically tearing them down to build them up that much stronger. Some people don't think that coaching style flies anymore, but I think it will, if the kids are receptive enough.

[OldHoyafan]

Jan 3, 2018 23:02:41 GMT -5 SaxaCD said:

Jan 3, 2018 12:19:49 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

The shot was awful in my view. Wether he practices it or not it's not the shot you want. We have a size advantage, coach is stressing to get the ball inside, and when you get a touch you shoot a fadeaway off one foot from the ft line? With 10 seconds on the clock? It lead to a open Struss 3 on the break that he missed.

Pat's response was probably as much for the other players as it was for him. Consistent theme for this year has been when we get a lead we stop doing the things that got us there. That's a habit that needs to be stopped. You have to value every possession and have that killer instinct.

That being said Marcus was excellent last night. He's really starting to show the full package. Kid is too big, strong, and skilled to let defenses off easy like that imo...

I think right now some kids on the team are confusing "killer instinct" with "tough dagger shot", when it's really more about grinding grinding grinding with what got you the lead to begin with. I think that's one of the biggest things Ewing is trying to impress on them -- it's not the one great shot that puts a team away, it's the relentless hard work to keep getting the best shot. The team hasn't really been used to winning a lot of league games over the past few years, so Ewing is basically tearing them down to build them up that much stronger. Some people don't think that coaching style flies anymore, but I think it will, if the kids are receptive enough.

Agree with this. Patrick is old school. He was the most talented center of his era during his time at Georgetown. They did not have “ln huddle mics” during JT2 tenure as coach of Parick, but I can bet you Patrick heard a lot worse from JT2 when he made mental errors during the game, with probably a lot more colorful language. Patrick knows that a coach’s job is to make sure his team stays focused throughout the game. He can forgive physical errors ,but has to get on them about the mental errors. I think we all can verify that the play of a Govan and Derrickson , mentally and physically is head and shoulders above their play from the past two years.

[smokeyjack]

Jan 3, 2018 14:56:16 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

Jan 3, 2018 12:34:50 GMT -5 Ranch Dressing said:

Disagree with poster above saying Marcus has a tendency to coast. Have not seen much, if any, evidence of that this season. Ewing often has him playing point on the press, Marcus has shown excellent improvement in footwork, lateral quicks, and ability to stay in front of his man on defense, and his offense is much improved this season. He is rebounding on both ends much more consistently.

I think Ewing's in-game coaching point was that Marcus should have recognized 3 defenders in close proximity and made the extra pass to an open teammate - as opposed to jacking up a really tough fade away jumper.

Of course, the even larger coaching/life point is that Ewing sees big development in Marcus this year and is pushing him to achieve even greater things. Love it.

He coasts a lot on defense and he took 3-4 lazy shots yesterday -- just stuff where it was easier to take something unlikely to hit than work and get a good shot.

This is not unusual, but he will be a better player and we will be a better team if the effort improves. Even if it is just to pass that ball away.

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Oh, Ranch, MD coasts all the time defensively. He should be hands down our best player, and an All-BE lock. Too often in the past, he’s disappeared, largely because his intensity and focus lags.

Ewing sees how good he can be and is pushing him to greatness. The next big leap he can make is in rebounding, anticipation and attention to detail on the defensive end. He’s still a very marginal defender.

[Elvado]

Obviously his evil twin LEON made him take that shot...